Radeon HD 7950 Owner's Thread

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Zargon

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my atifacting issues were non existant last night in BF3 so thats a plus.

GPUZ is giving it a 91.9% asic quality

 
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Zargon

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Just wondering, does anyone else's card freeze the display when you OC the core too high for the voltage you're using? I had started thinking my card was a relatively bad one because whenever I went above 1050MHz the display would freeze. Not a hard lock, because the audio would continue and programs would keep running, but I would still have to manually restart the machine. It seemed weird because I expected the driver to just crash and recover, like my older cards did. Anyway, I think my card is actually pretty good because Afterburner's default voltage is 0.993V, but the card is not even close to cool, and it sure heats up fast when I up the memory speed. I'm guessing it'll get better when the season changes (my computer room is pretty terrible... stuffy in the summer, chilly in the winter).

yes I have this issue
 

Meekers

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My MSI 7950 came at stock volt of .993 in afterburner

I have not tried overvolting it yet but I am getting stable at 990 mhz oc. Have not touched the memory yet.

I have an ASIC of 92
 

Olikan

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My MSI 7950 came at stock volt of .993 in afterburner

I have not tried overvolting it yet but I am getting stable at 990 mhz oc. Have not touched the memory yet.

I have an ASIC of 92


you sir have a golden chip
 

zaydq

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Keep in mind that most setups you are compared against are K chips 4.5GHz+, driver differences and memory play a role too.


I just started bitcoin . At stock clocks and 1.012v, it doesn't exceed 68C/58% fan setting (fan set to auto control). I get up to 500 MH's. I never tried it on the 5770 so I can't compare scores. I've been hearing about BTC for a while now so I thought why not.

I have a 2550k :/
 

RussianSensation

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yes I have this issue

No, that's what's supposed to happen with HD7800/7900 series. When the GPU isn't getting enough voltage, you get a hard screen lock. That means 100% a failed overclock. Sometimes the driver recovery is able to kick in and you'll see a bubble on the taskbar telling you Driver Has Recovered/Failed or something similar. That's just AMD's "Fail Safe" overclocking reboot. But it can definitely hard lock. Anything related to sudden driver crashing that wasn't there at stock speeds, hard locks, black screens, BSOD is failed overclocking. :thumbsup:
 

djsb

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No, that's what's supposed to happen with HD7800/7900 series. When the GPU isn't getting enough voltage, you get a hard screen lock. That means 100% a failed overclock. Sometimes the driver recovery is able to kick in and you'll see a bubble on the taskbar telling you Driver Has Recovered/Failed or something similar. That's just AMD's "Fail Safe" overclocking reboot. But it can definitely hard lock. Anything related to sudden driver crashing that wasn't there at stock speeds, hard locks, black screens, BSOD is failed overclocking. :thumbsup:

No, that is not AMD's fail safe. That is a Windows feature called Timeout Detection, and the issue is that it never kicked in, ever. But I just learned from this article which registry settings controlled it, and it turned out that it was disabled on my installation of Windows (and I am guessing on every W7 installation I have had thus far, since it always worked for me in Vista). Changing TdrLevel to 3 (i.e. turning it back on, which is its default value) and restarting fixed the problem for me. It didn't really help in a benchmark like Heaven which applies constant 100% stress to the core because it would immediately re-crash after recovering , so I was unable to kill the process in the brief times I had control of the desktop, but for ordinary games it's back to working as normal.
 

zaydq

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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4164370

Decided to stick to 1200/1800, Figured out my cpu issue. CCC and my anti virus was definitely holding me back. Theres my system's P score. I'm quite impressed with hitting 10k on the gpu. Definitely might make someone think twice about buying a 680 for $200 more.
 

Fire&Blood

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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4164370

Decided to stick to 1200/1800, Figured out my cpu issue. CCC and my anti virus was definitely holding me back. Theres my system's P score. I'm quite impressed with hitting 10k on the gpu. Definitely might make someone think twice about buying a 680 for $200 more.

Nice. I think you could separate yourself from the pack even further by turning the CPU up a notch or two and trying one at 1225 but even as it is, you got great numbers. What FPS do you get during PT, I rarely/barely break 19FPS with my i5-2400

Totally agree about the value. I'm stable at 1100/1575 on 1049v and while that clock doesn't quite cut it against OC'ed ref 7970's, it's certainly cooler and quieter than those. I'm BTC mining when I'm away, 570 MH/s at 72C max and the default fan setting setting stays below 60%. My 2 extra fans keep the vram below 80C at all times.

Despite the CPU bottleneck here and there, I'm happy with the way it's doing so far and guys with K chips can really let the card stretch it's legs. With some wafer lottery luck and good cooling, this card can run 1.2 GHz 24/7 and that's the final nail in the value argument coffin.
 

thujone

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even at 1100 i feel like this is probably the best deal at this price point. anything on top of that is just gravy.
 

philipma1957

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Is anybody testing for lowest possible voltages for bitcoin mining? I've managed to get 1.0v at 1100/625 and it's stable for mining at 99% gpu usage, but using the desktop while mining might lead to crashes. It seems to run fine at 1.0v if I leave it alone. I'm stable at about 1.01v though (mining, not gaming) at 1100/625 with any desktop usage while mining. That's pretty impressive.

Voltage needed seems to be very low for me at or below 1100, but it increases rapidly after 1100. I have no need for more than 1100 so I'm good.
if you want to bitcoin do what I do. set the voltage at .82 yeah that is right .82 v then set the core clock at 750mhz. next set the memory voltage at 1.5 v and set the memory clock at 625 set the fan at 60%. what happens is the hash drops to 360-375 but you drop more then 100 watts of power! the machine runs cool at 65c to 69c it is also much quieter. also you can use the computer for many other tasks
 

sze5003

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That looks like a nice deal! I was considering a 670 factory OC'ed but now I'm considering this card. You think it would fit in the roswell challenger? Wait..I thought it was the 7970 lol
 

RussianSensation

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Changing TdrLevel to 3 (i.e. turning it back on, which is its default value) and restarting fixed the problem for me. It didn't really help in a benchmark like Heaven which applies constant 100% stress to the core because it would immediately re-crash after recovering , so I was unable to kill the process in the brief times I had control of the desktop, but for ordinary games it's back to working as normal.

Thanks for the link and further clarification. :thumbsup: The recovery never worked on my 6950 card for some reason though under the same W7 install. I've also not read of these driver related issues in the 1.5 years I've owned the 6950. But they are very common complaints against AMD drivers based on black screens/ Driver timeout for HD7000 users, which I alluded to were likely often related to unstable overclocks.
 

zaydq

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Nice. I think you could separate yourself from the pack even further by turning the CPU up a notch or two and trying one at 1225 but even as it is, you got great numbers. What FPS do you get during PT, I rarely/barely break 19FPS with my i5-2400

Totally agree about the value. I'm stable at 1100/1575 on 1049v and while that clock doesn't quite cut it against OC'ed ref 7970's, it's certainly cooler and quieter than those. I'm BTC mining when I'm away, 570 MH/s at 72C max and the default fan setting setting stays below 60%. My 2 extra fans keep the vram below 80C at all times.

Despite the CPU bottleneck here and there, I'm happy with the way it's doing so far and guys with K chips can really let the card stretch it's legs. With some wafer lottery luck and good cooling, this card can run 1.2 GHz 24/7 and that's the final nail in the value argument coffin.


4.2Ghz is the maximum i believe i can do with the stock intel cooler. I've manged 1250/1800 OC on my 7950 but temps were too high for my liking, requiring the larger voltage bump from 1168mv to 1220mv. I'll tinker more to see if i can get a better fan profile, but right now 1200/1800 is stable for 24/7 clocks with load temps at a maximum of 77*C Also, my i5 is hitting 24fps in the physics test in 3dmark11 Performance preset.
 

Attic

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if you want to bitcoin do what I do. set the voltage at .82 yeah that is right .82 v then set the core clock at 750mhz. next set the memory voltage at 1.5 v and set the memory clock at 625 set the fan at 60%. what happens is the hash drops to 360-375 but you drop more then 100 watts of power! the machine runs cool at 65c to 69c it is also much quieter. also you can use the computer for many other tasks


Nice, glad you posted this. I've been running mine a bit higher volts, but same core speed (750c/.92v) but will lower a bit more to save watts. I'm seeing roughly same hash rate, I can run em up to 525 or so, but fan noise is too much for the two cards.

One non intuitive thing I found using MSI afterburner was that I had to go into settings and change GPU1 and GPU2 to use same settings in order to get my volt setting to hit both cards. Setting just GPU1 to use same settings across similar GPU's (implied GPU2) would keep clocks the same acros both cards but left GPU2 at factory volts instead of usign the volt setting set for GPU1. So lowering volts only affected GPU1 until I selected GPU2 from settings and clicked the same box I did for GPU2. Didn't realize this until a week after fooling around with my rig, but getting it in check lowered my GPU2 temps ~3c because it was no longer using higher stock volts.
 
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sze5003

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Can anyone tell me the dimensions of either a 7950 or 7970? My case is a Roswill Challenger and checking out stuff here I saw one person was able to fit the 670 OC windforce card in there. I was just wondering if I wanted to try the 7970?
 

zaydq

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Photos:









Benchmarks to come soon. Oc'd and stock!


Hey Sze5003, i have a picture of the card. It measures almost exactly 11". Its on a 7970 PCB so thats pretty much what you'll see for a 7970 as well. Some models depending on the air cooler from other manufacturers will have a variance between 11 and 11.75.
 

sze5003

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Hey Sze5003, i have a picture of the card. It measures almost exactly 11". Its on a 7970 PCB so thats pretty much what you'll see for a 7970 as well. Some models depending on the air cooler from other manufacturers will have a variance between 11 and 11.75.

That's awesome! Thanks a lot for the measurements. Seems my case will fit up to 11 and 3/8." If i go for a 7970 I don't think I would get one with a different cooler. I was looking at the Saphire 7970 since newegg had it for $429 and they used to have the Visiontek for $369 with a coupon but that expired I think.
 

RussianSensation

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I think MSI TF3 7950 for $317 or Sapphire Vapor-X 7970 for $443 on SuperBiiz are good on the 7950/7970 side with $15 OFF with coupon code TECH101, with the 7950 TF3 being the far better value with overclocking.
 

sze5003

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Few pages ago, I was in a similar dilemma.

Same here:



If your case is anything like mine, buy additional fans if you plan to OC past 1000 on the core.

Oh I see what case is that? My psu is on the bottom right so the cable route along the bottom of the HD area. What card you have in there? According to TomsHardware the gigabyte 7970 is 10.5 inches which is like the same size of the gigabyte 670 someone put in their challenger case.
 

zaydq

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Make sure you get one of the aftermarket 7970s. Reference models are loud and have poor cooling. With a small case it will be very hot.
 

3DVagabond

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Make sure you get one of the aftermarket 7970s. Reference models are loud and have poor cooling. With a small case it will be very hot.

I'll grant you the loud part, but the cooling capability is not poor. It's better than some of the custom designs for cooling the entire card and it does exhaust the hot air out of the case. Don't get me wrong, I'm not recommending the reference cooler. It's just not a simple as it's poorer than any custom cooler.
 

RussianSensation

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I wouldn't get a reference 7970 when after-market 7950s such as the MSI TF3 are going for $320-330. If you want a quiet card for $380-400 and don't want to overclock, GTX670 Windforce 3x or similar are great options too. No need to limit yourself to AMD. However, a reference 7970 is neither quiet nor a great overclocker on air.
 

sze5003

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I wouldn't get a reference 7970 when after-market 7950s such as the MSI TF3 are going for $320-330. If you want a quiet card for $380-400 and don't want to overclock, GTX670 Windforce 3x or similar are great options too. No need to limit yourself to AMD. However, a reference 7970 is neither quiet nor a great overclocker on air.

I'm not limiting myself but the 670 OC Windforce is $399 and for a little more I could have a top of the line card like the 7970 lol. I wouldn't go crazy with overclocking anyway. Only reason I mentioned a reference 7970 was because those would be the ones that may just make it in my case.
 
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