If $730 isn't the Newegg mark up price, but the real MSRP, I think I'll pass on this one. It doesn't look like it beats the Titan, so besting an old 780 for more money isn't exactly a great deal.
Maybe I'll snag up a couple 780s from people upgrading. >_>
That's not really it at all, it's on a case by case basis. The 680 was praised even though it was later to the market because it brought something additional. It was just as fast or faster than the 7970, was priced under it and was a smaller, cooler, more power efficient chip. In an opposing example, the GTX480. It was panned even though performance wise it was superior to the 5870. It was faster yes, but it was late to the market. It was hot, loud and sucked down the power. It's marginal performance advantages couldn't outweight that in many peoples eyes versus an alternate product that had already been available for quite some time. We'll just have to see how this pans out for the R9 290X, if we are to believe the early performance leaks, then it must be priced right because it's not bringing a beatdown to the currently available options.You took one single line from his post and took it out of context. As Rvenger correctly stated, you are trying to stir the pot.
GTX 680 was hailed as a Tahiti killer right from release. Very few of the reviews or Nvidia fans waited for the "market to decide", they simply hyped GTX680 then and there. I asked if AMD did the same thing and release R9 290X $50 cheaper and ~10% faster than 780, should we use the same criteria and hail it as a great card?
No need to wait for the market to decide, it's a simple question than can be answered easily.
For the record my response would be, no we shouldn't. GTX 780 has been available with that level of price and performance since May. IMHO R9 290 should be ~$450, R9 290X should be released at ~$550, the same price the 7970 was released at.
Somehow many think it is OK for Nvidia to be late and deliver similar performance as an already available AMD card. In fact is more more than likely the Nvidia card will be hyped as amazing (See the truly ordinary GTX 660Ti for proof). Turn the tables and AMD are "too little too late".
ICDP has a point there.
660Ti (and even 760 can be clumped here) - brought almost nothing worth talking about vs. 7950 V2. In the end an overclocked 7950 either matched or beat those cards and at similar or lower prices. 760 is now destroyed by barely more expensive 1Ghz 7970s making it pointless.
We really don't know what the MSRP is because we still don't even have a preorder price. I just want it to show so I know whether to go with a 290X or a 7990. This is getting annoying.
This is a bad strategy IMO. If someone wanted 780 performance for 780 prices they'd already bought one and still be using it today. So what makes the 290 so special that is gets the people that passed on the 780 off the fence to buy the 290 now? A free game?
Faster, 3 free games, faster in BF4 (probably by a lot) and even faster in BF4 with Mantle.
Another way to look at it is, why would anyone buy a 780 now? I mean is anybody even considering a 780 in preference to the 290X? Even with the marked up prices I'm not seeing any great increased demand for the 780 across most tech forums...
Faster, 3 free games, faster in BF4 (probably by a lot) and even faster in BF4 with Mantle.
Another way to look at it is, why would anyone buy a 780 now? I mean is anybody even considering a 780 in preference to the 290X? Even with the marked up prices I'm not seeing any great increased demand for the 780 across most tech forums...
Wow...Jump the gun much? We don't know that's it's faster than either the 780 or Titan (it will be a disappointment if it's not though considering time to market). We can't make any assumptions at all about BF4 performance based on a beta version using drivers from both sides that aren't likely anywhere near the state they will be in weeks after the games actual release. Mantle means squat until December or later, and may not bring much to the table, or it may take off....who knows?Faster, 3 free games, faster in BF4 (probably by a lot) and even faster in BF4 with Mantle.
Another way to look at it is, why would anyone buy a 780 now? I mean is anybody even considering a 780 in preference to the 290X? Even with the marked up prices I'm not seeing any great increased demand for the 780 across most tech forums...
The 780 is ~$100 cheaper from the sounds of it. For 10% performance increase 6 months later, $100 isn't something consumers are going to just ignore.
There is actually quite a lot of evidence from a variety of sources suggesting BF4 under Mantle is going to give a large performance gain.Also, the idea that Mantle is going to realistically give some kind of crazy performance has yet to be demonstrated by anything. I know, I know, the AMD marketing slides said over 9000! Mantle doesn't even have an API out for anyone to test. It is all theory as of right now. So, until it is out and BF4 gets a Mantle update, that doesn't matter.
You better hurry up and decide, because those extra low prices on the 7990 are starting to go back up: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...on%20HD%207990
I think it's an indication that both buyers and Newegg know that the R9 is not going to come close to matching the 7990 on price/performance.
Yawn.. We're up to our ears in amd's free games. Check the fs ft forums. You could snag a code for a song and a dance. If that's all the appeal and the chance that it could be faster in one game color me unimpressed.
It's still extra money out of your pocket. Consider that money you spent on codes as a discount on a GPU.
It's only 4 - 4 1/2 months later.
There is actually quite a lot of evidence from a variety of sources suggesting BF4 under Mantle is going to give a large performance gain.
But, I'm sure the marketing slides prove anything will run 1000x faster with Mantle!
So where is this so called 'preorder' AMD? Gonna blame it on Newegg and TigerDirect again for not posting unreleased pricing??
Product available for PRE-ORDER via a deposit of $200. The official price is not yet known.
Specifications and full details will be added once AMD provide the official statement.
Please link this evidence you speak of. Because, evidence for two unfinished products (BF4 and Mantle) having significant improvements on an unreleased card seem rather suspect.
But, I'm sure the marketing slides prove anything will run 1000x faster with Mantle!
We had the ridicule statement - http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/radeon-r9-290x-mantle-api-ridicule-titan-gpu-bf4/
Repi's _very_ high performance statement - https://twitter.com/repi/status/382995329013919744
Another Repi statement - https://twitter.com/repi/status/383012110592376832
Fudo's says it'll be "much faster" and a "significant boost over DirectX" - http://fudzilla.com/home/item/32730-battlefield-4-on-mantle-should-end-up-much-faster
So you are unable form an opinion without waiting for the masses to tell you how to think?
Ohhhh Kaaay