Radeon R9 290X Priced at $730 at Newegg

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Pariah

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It's called common sense. There are no "red flags" unless you are trying desperately to find them. AMD has stated on plenty of occasions that Mantle is in it's very early stages.

It's common sense to have the biggest new feature of your first new line of cards in 2 years be unsupported by anything at launch? If that's the case, then I hope the saying, "common sense isn't so common", is true.

This is not a feature that AMD ALONE can implement. The dev has to do a major part of it, and the game isn't even released yet. So how is Mantle not launching immediately down to AMD's 'incompetence'?

It is incompetence on AMD's part to announce something like this just before the release of a new line of cards making it a clear attempt to increase sales and drum up excitement, when the fact is, nothing will support it for at least 2 months after launch. Not even a playable demo of something to give us an idea of what it can do?

Don't make an announcement like this, then let me spend $700 on a new card just to find a slip of paper in the box that says "IOU."
 

96Firebird

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Let's be honest though, it would be stupid for AMD not to announce Mantle, even if it isn't ready.
 

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I can't read the Twitter, but I assume they are just cards with a BF4 sticker on them then? I can see why they command such a high price!

There's a picture floating around of them in crossfire. I believe it's a different paint job. Sliver/Gray with some orange. Purely speculation on my part but I think those could be the special editions.
 

Fallen Kell

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You also forget that NOTHING prevents Nvidia from supporting the Mantle API by creating their own implementation of the API calls. Oracle just lost a JAVA lawsuit about other entities implementing the Java API. The API itself was ruled un-copyrightable, only the implementation of the API was copyrightable. As such, if the Mantle API does gain widespread use, nothing prevents Nvidia from implementing it other than the work it takes to tell their graphics card how to do what a given function in Mantle says it does...
 

Pariah

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Someone mentioned that the vertical strips that look orange actually light up red.
 
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Amd can't compete with performance and they don't want to compete on price. So what do they do? Promise software upgrades... Don't look over here at the high price that's in line with current nvidia offerings, that have been available for most of the year, look at the shiny new software we are promising you.
 

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Amd can't compete with performance and they don't want to compete on price. So what do they do? Promise software upgrades... Don't look over here at the high price that's in line with current nvidia offerings, that have been available for most of the year, look at the shiny new software we are promising you.

You did well except that performance is basically equal and price is much lower. Apart from that you had a great point.
 

ShintaiDK

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You also forget that NOTHING prevents Nvidia from supporting the Mantle API by creating their own implementation of the API calls.

Yes there is. As AMD also stated. Mantle only works on GCN, its ISA specific. And its closed source. Not to mention there is not even specs on it yet.
 

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Someone mentioned that the vertical strips that look orange actually light up red.

I believe the 290Xs in the linked picture are the BF4 Edition 290X (i.e. pre-order version), which is most likely grey with orange illuminating stripes to match the BF4 theme. The standard 290X is black with red illuminating stripes.
 
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You did well except that performance is basically equal and price is much lower. Apart from that you had a great point.

Performance is equal. That means they can't claim it superior in that regard. And the price is looking like it will be more costly than Overclocked 780's. So they aren't competing on price either.
I will give amd credit for putting a world class spin job on the whole thing streaming press conference included.
 

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Performance is equal. That means they can't claim it superior in that regard. And the price is looking like it will be more costly than Overclocked 780's. So they aren't competing on price either.

So we're back to comparing overclocked vs non-overclocked cards. That seems to be a recurring point with the Nvidia guys. I wonder if they can convince Ryan to do the same this time again?
 

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Preorders start on october 3rd.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7388/r9290x-preordering-begins-today

Still no preorders today, still no official prices. Even tho it seems to be pretty fixed that the BF4 editions cost between 730$ and 800$. And it seems the non BF4 edition will be 700$.

If so, that sucks major cojones.

They really ought to drop the price to $650 AT MOST with the preferred price at ~$600-$630; I understand that AMD wants to make a profit, but without the same brand strength as nVidia, they cannot price their cards using the competition's pricing as a reference. If the 780 was not sold by nVidia and was instead an AMD card, it wouldn't be able to sell X amount at $650; they would have to sell it at a lower price to be able to sell the same amount. The supply-demand curve for AMD and nVidia is entirely different, with the favor on nVidia's side.
 
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So we're back to comparing overclocked vs non-overclocked cards. That seems to be a recurring point with the Nvidia guys. I wonder if they can convince Ryan to do the same this time again?

Except for the fact I primarily buy and prefer amd cards. I'm just pointing out what a bad purchase this card is looking like from initial reports. Smart money is on the clearance 7950 or 7970.
 

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Do we even know if these BF4 editions even come with Premium?
 

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Preorders start on october 3rd.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7388/r9290x-preordering-begins-today

Still no preorders today, still no official prices. Even tho it seems to be pretty fixed that the BF4 editions cost between 730$ and 800$. And it seems the non BF4 edition will be 700$.
In celebration of the upcoming launches of two of the most important announcements in PC gaming this year, we’ve worked with EA to create the AMD Radeon R9 290X Battlefield 4 Limited Edition available, online for reservation starting today with select resellers and partners. There were only 8,000 of these made so make sure to add your name to the list before they’re all gone! Recommended AMD Radeon R9 290X pricing, specs and performance will be unveiled in the coming weeks. We haven’t released pricing and won’t comment on pricing seen on some e-tail outlets.
https://www.facebook.com/AMDGaming/posts/535192336553258

If there is only 8000 of these limited edition cards they might be sold out, and that might explain ridiculous prices.

But this pre-release is just a cheap shot at getting publicity, and it's obviously working.
 

Aikouka

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Yes there is. As AMD also stated. Mantle only works on GCN, its ISA specific. And its closed source. Not to mention there is not even specs on it yet.

I'm pretty sure one of AMD's bullet points was that anyone could implement Mantle using a high-level shader language (HLSL).
 

blackened23

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Amd can't compete with performance and they don't want to compete on price. So what do they do? Promise software upgrades... Don't look over here at the high price that's in line with current nvidia offerings, that have been available for most of the year, look at the shiny new software we are promising you.

It sounds like the 290X will do fine in terms of performance (based on MANY reliable sources) and I applaud them on the performance front. BUT AMD's prior woes do not give the necessary brand strength that NV has to command a premium. That is something NV fought for over several years in terms of quality software and forethought. AMD isn't on that level yet.

If the 290X is 550-600$, I would consider that a great buy considering that the 290X more or less will definitely be faster than the 780. But 700$+? Hell no. Not after all of the bad publicity and not having NV's value adds. Mantle seems promising but won't be in use until December at the earliest so that cannot play a role in a launch purchase decision. I've said this before but anyone in the market for a new card seeing a 290X for 700$, a large portion of those buyers will simply shrug their shoulders and buy a 660$ GTX 780 overclocked edition instead - those cards generally match Titan performance anyway.

Someone at AMD needs to wake up and realize that commanding price premiums isn't based on performance alone. That is one factor, but brand strength, consumer loyalty, value added features, and most important...SOFTWARE Quality...AMD simply has not proven themselves at a sufficient level in the other areas to demand a price premium, yet.
 
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xnorex

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So... when are we going to start a rallying call to AMD's twitter account? Because so far It looks like they're doing nothing for the US because no one is complaining. Ok maybe like 2-3 ppl tweeted at them, but that's nothing!

We need tweets at:
@amd_roy
@AMDRadeon
@AMD

c'mon ppl we can't let them get away with this! not one news outlet even mentioned this yesterday, they're all to busy focusing on Newegg's placeholder price found in the HTML.
 

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https://www.facebook.com/AMDGaming/posts/535192336553258

If there is only 8000 of these limited edition cards they might be sold out, and that might explain ridiculous prices.

But this pre-release is just a cheap shot at getting publicity, and it's obviously working.
If it's working, then it's the first time in five... nay 10... nay 20 years, ... nay total AMD history that any of their marketing move seems to show at least to a slight degree a somewhat close tendency of the beneficial effect it was conceived to result in the first place. If that is so, then my kudos goes to Mr. Read who finally jumped on the marketing bandwagon to give the cognitively underdeveloped human brain the emotional fast food it's always been longing for!
 
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