Radeon *SE* is FINALLY here!

[snow]

Just wanted to update the fellow Radeon lovers here with news (that I can personally confirm) that the Radeon SE has finally been released. However, ATI hasn't made this obvious. There is no way to distinguish old Radeon 64meg cards from the SEs as the box is the same. Well, you may ask then how can you tell? Well besides the faster ram and higher clockspeed, I got absolute confirmation thanks to powerstrip. The old powerstrip that I was using worked fine with the old Radeon I was using but with the new card it freaked out. Went to the entech page and low and behold, Radeon SE support in the new beta powerstrip. Installed them and everything checks out.

The Radeon SE comes clocked at 198/198 at default with 64megs of 5ns memory. It can overclock well into the 230s. Gotta love it. Kudos ATI.

 

[Toro 45]

Where did you buy it?These should give the GTS Pro a run for there money.

 

[snow]

Radeon SE It's not marked SE, just Radeon 64Meg VIVO. Don't worry it's the SE.

 

[Euripides]

I can?t wait to get mine from Newegg today to see if it is 5ns. Already ordered it before your post Snow. Newegg has high volume turnover, so the chances of me getting one of the newer ones is pretty good.

 

[AppleTalking]

Wow! Looks like ATI has finally gotten itself into gear, releasing a card that should compete favorably with the GF2 Pro and (if overclocked) maybe even the Ultra! With ATI's well-known 2D quality and DVD performance, this should make for a great card, so long as the price is right.

Nick

 

[Euripides]

AppleTalking, Newegg has the retail version for $158 ($156 for the OEM, slower ram). I will post back sometime on Saturday to whether or not I received the 5ns one from Newegg.

 

[SpeedTrap]

haha another to late to slow ATI product

 

[richleader]

"haha another to late to slow ATI product "

That should be *too* late, *too* slow ATI product. If you're going to mock something out, don't look like a third grader who was held back two years while you do it.

 

[Euripides]

WSPTrooper, I am a little out of it today (barely slept). What did you mean by ?another to late to slow ATI product??

I have a Geforce2 card in my current system but wanted to try the 64meg Radeon in my new machine I am putting together tomorrow. My friend has the Radeon LE and his color and detail always looked so much better than mine. So I am giving Radeon a try until the prices drop on the Geforce3?s and keeping an eye on the upcoming Radeon2.

 

[SpeedTrap]

<< WSPTrooper, I am a little out of it today (barely slept). What did you mean by ?another to late to slow ATI product??

I have a Geforce2 card in my current system but wanted to try the 64meg Radeon in my new machine I am putting together tomorrow. My friend has the Radeon LE and his color and detail always looked so much better than mine. So I am giving Radeon a try until the prices drop on the Geforce3?s and keeping an eye on the upcoming Radeon2. >>



well i had a GF2 i got a Radeon , the 2d whipped its ass. but in games liek tribes or tribes 2 when dropping to the desktop , it would be like freezing my system even though i can move the mouse and click on links. was toldthis was D3D lag. but in Alice the framerates where on par withthe Ultra, but the image was crisper. I played at 1600x1200x32.

but since the GF3 came out , the radeon has fallen behind again. The GF3 it smokes it in all ways.

the other thing is there drivers. there buggier than anything and since this uses the Rage chipset, w2k Performance blows. I have yet to get the radeon to do anything in W2k, no matter how many dift mobo's , drivers or configurations, to run it. I even had to sell my dualie system cause of this.

 

[BlvdKing]

I smell the awful stench of troll in here.

 

[dfloyd]

I have a Radeon 32MB DDR card now and I like it. Very nice image quality and ok performance. But its UT gaming performance sucks. (Undying, UT, Star Trek, etc). Also Black and White is a bit jerky at 1024 x 768. I was getting really excited about staying with Ati. Especially with the great Q3 engine speed but its UT speed is just way too slow. Not to mention fogging in counter strike gets very annoying. A friend of mine knows my system and purposefully spams smoke grenades just to lag me down. And it does BAD!!!

I am not trying to cut down the Radeon. Just pointing out its weakness's. Its got great Q3 game performance, Not on the newly released Urban Terror though, five mins of laggy gaming and it crashes, though. Great image quality and great dvd playback. I am just starting to think it is not the best gaming card for the money out right now.

 

[Euripides]

WSPTrooper, what can you do these days? There are pros and cons to both Geforce2 and Radeon video cards. My hardest decision was trying to pick out which video card do I want in the new system.

Competition is great for consumers getting better quality at cheaper prices. It kind of sucks though when both items are good but are good for different reasons. Even worse that certain items will work better in some systems but disastrous in others.

 

[richleader]

Geforce 2 sucks at a lot of unreal engine games too. They look like crap in 16 bit, so you're forced to use 32 bit color, which makes FSAA impossible. Undying, Deus Ex, Rune, etc, same problem. I'm sure performance is a little bit better than the radeon, but it's the engine that's handicapping both. Not that I want to hear some Kryotroll's take on that.

 

[Looney]

<< but since the GF3 came out , the radeon has fallen behind again. The GF3 it smokes it in all ways. >>



You're an idiot. Of course the GF3 smokes the Radeon, who denies that? It's a newer generation... and not to mention the price differences. You're comparing a card that is a generation newer, and more than twice the price.

 

[pidge]

Just cause they have a higher clocked Radeon won't matter much. Take a look at this pickture:

Overclocking Geforce 2 GTS and Radeon

As you can see, the Radeon runs out of gas right around 183MHz. That is why ATI released a Radeon at 183MHz as their high end. No sense in paying more for memory when they knew it would not make a difference and that is why they are selling these cards as the same product without advertising it as a totally new product, because when it finally hit the market and customers would review it, they would realize that the &quot;SE&quot; was not that much faster than a regular 64MB Radeon. The GTS benefits much more than the Radeon from a higher speed memory. The Radeon 64MB &quot;SE&quot; is not that much better than a regular 64MB Radeon so if you have Radeon already, don't bother upgrading to get the higher clocked video card and if you don't have one and plan on getting one, don't get it cause you think it will be a lot faster than a regular Radeon 64MB.

 

[SpeedTrap]

<<

<< but since the GF3 came out , the radeon has fallen behind again. The GF3 it smokes it in all ways. >>



You're an idiot. Of course the GF3 smokes the Radeon, who denies that? It's a newer generation... and not to mention the price differences. You're comparing a card that is a generation newer, and more than twice the price. >>



Im comparing a card thats out now . ATI says tehre card was DX8 compatable. well sos the GZF#.

ATI will be teh next 3DFX, cause they cant give the drivers and just use old drivers and build on them. theve lost the race, and the radeon 2 aint gonna be worth anything

 

[Euripides]

Thanks Pidge for the chart. I know Geforce2 will definitely have higher frame rates and are better for overclocking. But at what point is enough frames per second really matter? I was under the impression that anything over 35fps the game will look nice and smooth to the naked eye. So when people are talking about a game running at 125fps on a GF2 compared to 95fps on a Radeon, can you really see the difference? I don?t think so. Please correct me if I wrong. That is why I went with the Radeon. I want to get the extra detail and color depth that I have seen others post about and I am a first hand witness seeing my friends Radeon LE in action.

BTW he runs Unreal very nicely.

 

[Eug]

Pidge, what was the test system.

That graph may be true, or may be a function of a limited CPU. The Geforce 2 chips do comparatively better with slower CPUs when compared to older cards, and this may (or may not) be true vs. the Radeon as well.

 

[pidge]

Euripides
The reason I got the GF3 is not so that I can get 100+ frames per second. I really want a video card that can maintain around 60fps. I can definately tell a difference in first person shooters between 30FPS and 60FPS. What's more, I know if a card can do around 120FPS now, I can run it at 1280x1024 or higher with all the eye candy turned on and not experience a significan drop in performance. Also, since most developers program with Geforce 2/3 or Quadro 2/DCC cards, I know future games will probably experience less problems with my video card than with any other card. These are just my reasons for getting a Geforce 3. So far it has made me very happy and so I will probably hold on to this card for a while.

Check out these pictures:
Face

Zoltar

I wouldn't bother to much with a 64MB Radeon SE. The Geforce 3 and I am sure the R200 will make future games look amazing. I can't wait.

 

[pidge]

Eug
This was on either a Pentium III 933MHz or a 1GHz. I forgot which one it was.

 

[Euripides]

Pidge, when the price drops in a few months I will be right behind you for a GF3. After just buying components for a whole new system I could not spend $300+ for a video card (wish I could of course). In the end I might have the best of both worlds for the time being. Some games will look and play better on the Radeon and some will look and play better on the GF2. I will just use the machine that handles it better.

With the announcement and early positive feedback on the NVIDIA chipset. It is starting to look like NVIDIA might be taking over.

 

[bluemax]

<< ATI will be teh next 3DFX, cause they cant give the drivers and just use old drivers and build on them. theve lost the race, and the radeon 2 aint gonna be worth anything >>


Fantastic diction skills! I presume spelling isn't required as a state trooper? No forms to fill out?

For pity's sake you/we have no idea what the Radeon2 is going to be like so just put a lid on it. We DO know it'll be fully DX8 compliant and much faster than the current Radeon which gives the GTS a run for its money.

I have every reason to expect the Radeon2 to perform much the same as a GF3.

And just because YOU couldn't get a Radeon to work properly doesn't mean everyone else can't either. :|

 

[Rellik]

I really can´t see the reason for bashing Ati. they put better RAM on their card at no extra charge to improve performance. I can´t see why this is bad. The SE is certainly a good choice right now as I can assure you there IS a difference between 183/366 and 200/400. I tested this @700 and 933Mhz. It doesn´t make sense to change a Vivo for a SE, but it just gives the current Radeon improved shelf life. The GF3 nees to worry about R200. But of corse, by then GF3 Ultra will be at least
announced...


In closing I would like to state that ALL DRIVERS FOR W2K for the Radeon have been stable on my setup. Maybe it´s because of my trusty BX chipset, but the statement that Nvidia drivers are better then Ati´s is simply BS. At least 50 percent of Nvidia drivers NEED updates because they introduce new problems...

 

[HappyGamer2]

WSP is a Troll, Nvidia rules everything else sucks.