Radeon team chooses Kabylake over Ryzen

[dwade]

Ryzen? Threadripper? Nah Raja rather have a 7700k that won't bottleneck Vega.

 

[sandorski]

AFAIK, the 7700k is still the fastest CPU for gaming. Makes sense to use it.

 

[USER8000]

Most review rigs will be using a Core i7 7700K,so it makes sense AMD uses it themselves.

Let me remind you that Nvidia is now recommending Ryzen builds.

https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/a...box-ultimate-essential-pcs?ref=indiekings.com

 

[MajinCry]

No surprise there, Skylake/Kabylake are the current best CPUs at processing draw calls.

 

[nathanddrews]

7700K is a beast! Modern day 2500K.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Most review rigs will be using a Core i7 7700K,so it makes sense AMD uses it themselves.

Let me remind you that Nvidia is now recommending Ryzen builds.

https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/a...box-ultimate-essential-pcs?ref=indiekings.com

They arent recommending it in preference to intel, it is an option.

 

[scannall]

No surprise there, Skylake/Kabylake are the current best CPUs at processing draw calls.

2002 called, they want their DX9 back.

 

[Markfw]

2002 called, they want their DX9 back.

Yes, to be honest, I am sick about hearing about draw calls.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Interesting that they don't use a 7900X either. Does that mean that Intel's $330 CPU is better than its $1000 CPU?

Honestly, I doubt that a Ryzen chip would bottleneck Vega much, but AMD knows that they don't have the very fastest gaming CPU; they've never claimed as much. There's nothing scandalous or meaty here.

 

[dwade]

They used a 7700k because there is no better mainstream CPU in the market. Ryzen's "good enuff" ain't good enough for their marketing team.

 

[inf64]

They simply used the fastest gaming CPU on the market at the moment. Ryzen is a great chip, it's just not fastest in games that's all (even though the difference is usually rather small especially when Ryzen is coupled with 3200Mhz RAM).

 

[USER8000]

They used a 7700k because there is no better mainstream CPU in the market. Ryzen's "good enuff" ain't good enough for their marketing team.

So you trying to emotionally justify a Core i7 7700K by making this thread when Intel is making it a Core i3(essentially) in a few months - most people on Steam don't even have a GTX1080,so they are GPU limited not CPU limited,so using that logic does everyone who owns an Intel CPU other than a Core i7 7700K have a useless CPU for gaming?

I have a Core i7 3770 and a GTX1080 - I seem fine at 2560X1440 or is am I not PCMR now,since I don't have the latest CPU??

Only hardware enthusiasts on tech forums spend more time measurebating then actually using their rig,when most gamers don't have the "best" hardware or use consoles.

But,but XYZ marketing said its the best now - PCMR race seems to be more and more gullible to marketing more like tech noobs and a total inversion of how things used to be.

 

[Zucker2k]

Was waiting for this one. Hahaha. Lots of sleep must've been lost over this decision.

 

[Zucker2k]

They used a 7700k because there is no better mainstream CPU in the market. Ryzen's "good enuff" ain't good enough for their marketing team.

Truth. This is the pitfall of being a cpu and gpu maker.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Was waiting for this one. Hahaha. Lots of sleep must've been lost over this decision.

Don't think so, 7700K dominates both Intels latest HEDT and AMDs Ryzen cpus. Would be dumb for any company to not show they products in the best possible light, hence RTG using the best available. We get that you love the guys in blue but try to see the broader picture.

 

[Zucker2k]

Don't think so, 7700K dominates both Intels latest HEDT and AMDs Ryzen cpus. Would be dumb for any company to not show they products in the best possible light, hence RTG using the best available. We get that you love the guys in blue but try to see the broader picture.

You're addressing the wrong audience! All the same, it's cool to see AMD knows where to go for absolute best gaming performance. Good on them! I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision though - to cave in to the fact that performance trumps value when it's absolutely needed.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Ryzen is a very good all round CPU but for gaming the 7700K is still the best. I suspect the 8700K will trump it shortly though. Or will it?? Could be slightly slower cores so perhaps it won't. Interesting times in the CPU world. I like it, the selection we have to choose from is getting better by the day.

 

[Christopher Bohling]

Ryzen is a very good all round CPU but for gaming the 7700K is still the best. I suspect the 8700K will trump it shortly though. Or will it?? Could be slightly slower cores so perhaps it won't. Interesting times in the CPU world. I like it, the selection we have to choose from is getting better by the day.

Well, if you look at it, the 8700K probably won't overclock as well (more cores, more power needed, more cooling needed, therefore less headroom) and will probably have a marginally higher core-to-core latency (ring bus bullshit), which seems to matter in some games, so in games that only scale to 8 threads my guess is that the 8700K will actually be marginally worse than the 7700K, on average, when both are overclocked as far as possible. The 500Mhz reduction in base clock is concerning.

But in games that do scale past 8 threads the 8700K should do better. It seems to me like we can already get a good idea of what games those are by simply comparing the 7700K to the 6800K (at the same clocks if possible). Obviously Broadwell-E is a few points back on IPC but it should provide a good idea of what titles we can expect to see the 8700K take advantage of all 12 threads.

Joker's video is the best I can find and I've never 100% trusted his testing methodology, and I also should note that this is 7700K at 5 Ghz vs. 6800K at 4.3 Ghz. But it seems to suggest that even games that are known to multithread well (like BF1) don't actually scale past 8 cores amazingly well, which doesn't bode well for the 8700K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdVc8APD0ts

I'd be glad to be proven wrong, though.

 

[dark zero]

Most review rigs will be using a Core i7 7700K,so it makes sense AMD uses it themselves.

Let me remind you that Nvidia is now recommending Ryzen builds.

https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/a...box-ultimate-essential-pcs?ref=indiekings.com

Oh the irony...

As the old times
AMD GPU with Intel CPU
nVIDIA GPU with AMD CPU

 

[rbk123]

It's because they are competing against Nvidia benchmarks done on the 7700k. They would never choose something that would end up lowering their numbers because they are solely measured on their performance against Nvidia.

 

[Arachnotronic]

They simply used the fastest gaming CPU on the market at the moment. Ryzen is a great chip, it's just not fastest in games that's all (even though the difference is usually rather small especially when Ryzen is coupled with 3200Mhz RAM).

Big enough for AMD to care

 

[IllogicalGlory]

You're addressing the wrong audience! All the same, it's cool to see AMD knows where to go for absolute best gaming performance. Good on them! I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision though - to cave in to the fact that performance trumps value when it's absolutely needed.

Ryzen has higher performance as well as value in other use cases.

 

[formulav8]

Big enough for AMD to care

Why would they Not show the Radeon using the current best CPU for gaming? Everybody knows, at this time, the 7700k is the fastest overall gaming CPU. This is AMD's Radeon group doing the marketing Not the CPU division, and obviously wanting to put Their GPU in the best light. Of course they want the graphics performance to look as good as possible. No surprise, they've done it before.

 

[Markfw]

Why would they Not show the Radeon using the current best CPU for gaming? Everybody knows, at this time, the 7700k is the fastest overall gaming CPU. This is AMD's Radeon group doing the marketing Not the CPU division, and obviously wanting to put Their GPU in the best light. Of course they want the graphics performance to look as good as possible. No surprise, they've done it before.

To me a little odd. Did you hear about the petaflop computer with 20 EPYC processors and 80 VEGA cards ?

 

[formulav8]

To me a little odd. Did you hear about the petaflop computer with 20 EPYC processors and 80 VEGA cards ?

Was that to highlight gaming performance?