Radeon troubles

[btsdev]

I installed my ati radeon 9500 pro but it keeps making my system crash within 2 seconds of typing the windows password in and trying to display the desktop. i installed the drivers from the cdrom that was included. please help if you have any tips, i really really need to get this working asap.

thanks

 

[kurt454]

Powersupply. Sounds like it needs some juice.

 

[rbV5]

You should stay with one thread to avoid confusion.

 

[btsdev]

sorry about more than one thread -- i have a 400watt power supply, you think it would still need more power? 2cds, 2hds, floppy, this video card

and do you still think it doesnt have the necessary power if it crashes in the exact same spot every time, when it trys to paint desktop? it shows the loading and username/pw window before that.

when i go into safe mode with VGA, it works fine

 

[rbV5]

Did you try Viper96720's suggestion in your other thread? While it "may" be powersupply related, its more lkely the drivers. Did you uninstall your previous cards drivers completely?

 

[btsdev]

i completely removed the previous card's drivers through Add/Remove programs, and i got rid of some references to it in the registry. i really don't think it would be power supply related since i have 400watts and when i go into VGA, everything is fine, just crappy graphics. i crash everytime when windows starts to load the desktop. i installed the new drivers exactly by the manual's instructions. i think that its prolly a conflict with drivers, or something to do with drivers.

does anyone think i should reinstall win2k?

please let me know if you have ANY ideas
thanks

 

[Slappy00]

What brand of Power Supply, The components are just as important as the total power (400watta) b/c you want the powersupply to be able to give a steady stable supply of power, thats where name-brand supplies like antec and vantec are recommended...


Although I would venture to say taht since the problem shows itself when the video card is auctually asked to do some real work i.e. begins to use the drivers to render the windows desktop-- that this can very well also be a driver issue, have you not tried to use safe mode, or using the generic VGA driver that should also work if drivers are culprit?

 

[btsdev]

i can run fine in regular VGA, which i use by pressing f8 when windows is loading.

ill open the PC again now and check the name of the PSU.

 

[btsdev]

"future power-1" is the name of the PSU. right now im unplugging power to one of the two cd roms and im going to see if it works then

ill post to tell you how it works.

btw, i tried to boot up the pc a few times ago and before i saw the pc reboot, i got an error that a driver was missing -- ill try to catch the name if i run across the error again. but i am starting to think now that PSU prolly is the major culprit.

 

[btsdev]

just fantastic.... when i take out the PSU for one of the CDroms, on the windows loading screen, the PC just turned off, twice

 

[Slappy00]

Like in my previos post I said its not a matter of total power but steady consistant power...

If your votage flutuates then uplugging things might not help...

If everything runs fine in VGA mode then try different drivers... What drivers are you runing with your card?

Let me know the drivers of your card as well as the type of mother board you are using...

If you have a VIA let me know what 4-in-1 (they call em hyperion drivers now ) you are using

Same for SiS or Nvidia Intel, or AMD

MY persopnal opinion is that power starvation causes more fundimental problems and would cause crashes reguardless of drivers being used....b/c you stated that the system ran fine when in VGA mode tells me that a change in drivers fixes the problem.

Also that PSU is a POS so if you have about $50usd get a good 350-400watt Antec unit from newegg www.newegg.com I think PSU's are commonly overlooked by ppl when building a computer, and as more components get added crappy PSUs get flaky, and even good PSU's begin to get strained by heavy energy demand... If you have the money get a 470watt... short of a dramatic form change in connectors that psu will last you a long time and could probably handle a quite a few hard drives and other components...
thats just me though... In fact Im ordering a PSU: Antec 550watt True Power from NewEgg for $118.... probably the last powersupply I'll ever need...

 

[Slappy00]

just fantastic.... when i take out the PSU for one of the CDroms, on the windows loading screen, the PC just turned off, twice

Good god man.... Someone needs to be flogged at future power-1

When you plug it back in is it back to normal?

 

[btsdev]

drivers running with card: the ones that came with the card, on the cd.
using a microstar k7vza, amd, mobo
today i was kinda confused when the manual said download AGP driver for mobo -- but i did it anyway, i downloaded a 4-in-1... the exact name and link are as follows::
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_list.php
that's the one i downloaded today -- first one on the list. if it turns out to DEFINETLY be a PSU problem, ill get a new one on newegg.com

thanks for the ideas so far, you are being a Huge help

edit: not sure what will happen, after i make some easy-mac ill put it back in and give it a try

 

[Slappy00]

Ok first i need to clear something up so i give oyu the right info:

the k7vza is a mobo im not familiar with, is it a ALL VIA board?

after a quick search i found: ECS (Elitegroup) K7VZA KT133

no microstar and the link you gave points to MSI ?!

i donno but make sure your mobo is all VIA (meaning both north and south bridge, not 1/2 via 1/2 AMD)

if it is then you can use the newest VIA drivers 4.45 not 4.43 that your link points to.... if you have XP then all you need to update is the AGP minport driver and the .inf files from www.viaarena.com on the left-hand-side bar under "drivers"

also goto ATI.com and get the newest Catylist drivers (3.0 WHQL stamped by the evil empire) I'm not sure if your drivers will be different since you have a 9500 but get the newest ones that are out ...

Install the 4-in-1
install the Radeon drivers

see what happens

 

[btsdev]

microstar = msi

just found this quote on a site:: "The software bundle The installation CD includes the VIA 4-in-1 drivers v4.23"; that is talking about what comes with the mobo in the first place.

another quote:: "CHIPSET

VIA® VT8363 (NB) & VT82C686A (SB)
Support AGP 2.0 specification (4X)
Super I/O - Integrated in VT82C686A (SB)
System Hardware Monitor: Integrated in VT82C686A (SB)
AC97 Audio Codec: Avance ALC100 (RealTek)
Compliant with AC97 2.1 specification"

Install the 4-in-1, install the radeon drivers, see what happens

that's what i did as far as drivers, except i got the 4-in-1 before that for AGP.. and i am stuck right now

 

[Slappy00]

looks like both via NB and SB ... you should get the hyperion drivers... they have a new AGP driver....

Micro Star International.... :/ well i never did buisness with em

that's what i did as far as drivers, except i got the 4-in-1 before that for AGP.. and i am stuck right now

get the updated AGP driver in the 4.45

 

[btsdev]

i would install the hyperions, but i plugged the psu back into the cdrom that i left powerless and now i still can't even get into windows, Not even while trying VGA!!... i see the loading screen that says Windows 2000 but it can't draw the desktop.

i don't know what to do and i need to get this problem resolved soon for work :/

please help if you have any ideas -- thanks

 

[btsdev]

update: just changed PSU wires around a bit until i got the original configuration i once had. now i am in windows with VGA and will be downloading the hyperion drivers now.

also: as i got into windows, it said error, that the ATI Control Panel could not load b/c my drivers for the card were not installed correctly.

also: with this new PSU wire config i tried going into windows non-vga and i crashed after windows tried to paint half of the "loading configurations"/username-pw window. i saw blue desktop but it crashed after painting the faded titlebar but before painting the rest of the window.

I am installing hyperions now

 

[btsdev]

i installed Hyperion
i just installed catalyst 3.0 drivers from website as well

now when i go into windows in VGA mode, i get no driver errors ------- but, when i go into windows in non-vga mode, i lock up when windows tries to paint the desktop...

the the problem only PSU from here?

can i be sure of that by isolating the problem and unplugging my 2 cd drives and my floppy drive?? (only 2 hdds and video card/sound card then)

let me know what you think

 

[Kente]

I have the exact same problem, and I still haven't figured out how to fix it. I installed the card STEP-BY-STEP according to the manual, and completely wiped out any previous driver references that were to my prior video card. As soon as the desktop would load my computer would just hang up, and then id have to reboot. I used the catalyst 2.5 drivers included on the cd, and even tried the newer drivers released by ATI but still no luck.

In my case, I think I need to get a better power supply - mine's only 200 W. You should try checking into that first I think. Then, if that's not the problem I think it could have something to do with your board:/

I know I'm not that much help, wish i could do more...

 

[btsdev]

thanks, let me know how things work out with you.

anyone else have any info or ideas?

thanks

 

[btsdev]

(desperate bump in hope of saving my pc )

 

[Noid]

 

[btsdev]

right now i'll give you temps and AGP settings, since i have seen that others on other board have had to change AGP settings. tell me if anything looks fishy::

BIOS -- Advanced Chipset Features

AGP Aperature Size = 64 [[should i make this 128 since i have 128mb card? heh]]
AGP-4X Mode = 4x
AGP Driving Control = Auto
AGP Driving Value = DA [[can't change this]]
AGP Master 1 WS Write = Disabled
AGP Master 1 WS Read = Disabled

Current CPU Temperature 102 F
Current System Temp 84 F

Also, i would like to add that when i go into windows VGA mode, if i do a bunch of things, i crash. also, every few times i can crash when loading windows VGA style. but vga is the only way i can get in.

 

[Noid]