Radeon vs V5 5500

[nealh]

Anyone have both and can make a comparison in 3d games...

 

[DaveB3D]

V5 has good fsaa
radeon has bump mapping

performance is similar

V5 has good drivers with likely no future support
Radeon has sucky drivers with future support

 

[BFG10K]

Don't forget the Radeon has Hyper-Z which helps combat memory bandwidth stress.

Radeon has sucky drivers with future support

I can just hear the ATi zealots grinding their axes!

 

[HappyGamer2]

I have them both, Radeon 32mb DDr and voodoo5 agp, which is best? well it depends on the game and what you want, overall at this point in time I fell the voodoo5 is a better gaming card.

 

[TravisBickle]

I can almost answer this very well. i have seen both but used neither much.
use the V5 for yesterday's games and todays's games at resolutions that aren't insanely stressful and need very high frame rates at the same time. you'll get utmost compatibility with FSAA if that's what you want, and no freaky behaviour. the Radeon will be better at high polygon games without fsaa for the future maybe. the Radeon is becoming cheaper than the GTS and I think it's a question of price. If the Radeon and GTS were the same price I would take the GTS for pure games. better drivers, better speed for the next year or two. the problem with ATi is that they offload cards on features but they don't care about making them work once the owner has given them their money IMO

 

[DaveB3D]

I can just hear the ATi zealots grinding their axes!

No joke. I got a flame mail the other day for the Radeon review on B3D... saying that I must work for NVIDIA and that I was biased against ATI, blah, blah.... I didn't even write the review.

 

[hans007]

i've had both and also a voodoo4 and a geforce256 and geforce 2. the v5 has slightly worse 2d quality, the fans were noisy (well i could hear them which means they were noisy), the drivers were real good (especially right before they went out of business). But there is no support and its a dead company. the radeon has better 2d and is faster though (i have a radeon LE and its still faster). FSAA on the vooodoo5 was awesome though.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

<< Radeon has sucky drivers >>

Ah yes the sign of a true professional: using the word &quot;Sucky&quot;. Haha! Sometimes I wonder if anybody can be trusted anymore. Statements like that not only shine a negative and bias light on you, but on any site or company that you work for.

Even though I currently own a geforce and am happy with it, I know many people with Radeon's and they have very good drivers in fact. The 98 drivers are excellent and I am even going to be purchasing one for my new machine this weekend.

 

[DaveB3D]

I wasn't aware this is a review.. it is a message board post.. and sucky drivers is the way it goes. Try the win2k drivers.

 

[Taz4158]

<< and sucky drivers is the way it goes. Try the win2k drivers. >>

You have to stop using technical terms like &quot;sucky&quot;, you're liable to confuse people. I also suggest you try the newer 2K drivers before you pronounce them &quot;sucky', they are VERY good.

 

[DaveB3D]

Well all my experiance has shown them to be &quot;sucky&quot;. I haven't tried the latest though... I think everyone is aware that I'm not a big fan of the Radeon anyway...

why?

3 texture units (stupid from a design standpoint)
weak T&amp;L (insufficent vertex cache)
inflexible combiners (lacks a lot of features from DX8)

To name a few reasons...

 

[oldfart]

Well, fault can be found with any product right? For instance, the V5 has NO T&amp;L, turns your PC into a space heater with the 45 watt power consumption, etc, etc. The GF2 cards require you to take out a soldering iron to get acceptable 2D, etc, etc. If you are going to list the &quot;suckyness&quot; of a particular card, how about doing it for all of them? If you only pick one, it makes you look biased. You may also want to expalain why 3 texture units is a &quot;stupid&quot; design (another technical term). A link would do. This is the first time I've heard this said.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

Well said OldFart. You beat me to it.

I have to wonder about anybody who criticizes the design of any other card, when the design of the V5 was a laughing stock.

 

[Taz4158]

<< If you only pick one, it makes you look biased. >>

Well he is biased as he said. You'll never get a considered opinion regarding the Radeon out of him. As I suppose he's entitled to. But of course it doesn't mean his opinions are correct.

 

[SniperWulf]

I don't get it.... Why are people always jumping Dave? The man up to asked for opinions of the V5 and Radeon, Dave gave his, so leave it at that!

Jesus, some people always wanna make an issue out of nothing.....

 

[TravisBickle]

DaveB3d shows every sign of knowing more about 3d cards than all of us in the thread combined. i know he's big enough not to let blind zealotry get him down. owners identify too heavily with their video cards. why go crazy mean when someone points out some drawbacks of your own card?- sad. I'm surprised DaveB3d bothers to condescend to us as we offer him little discussion at his level but thankyou Dave anyway.

 

[DaveB3D]

My listing of faults on the Radeon was not to compare it to the V5 in that particular post. There are obvious faults with it that would be exposed were I to do a detailed comparision of all products (maybe I should ). Rather though, the discussion has somewhat turned to the Radeon and I was being called biased against it, so I simply pointed out a few reasons why I don't care too greatly for it. As I said though, I could find clear faults in every product. And it is because of this I actually find myself swapping through different cards at different times for my system.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

I think the statement should have been >> I don't get it.... Why is Dave always jumping other cards?

If he supposedly works for a site that is to be respected (which it isn't by anybody I know), then he should be un-biased which he obviously isn't. I think that's why people question him when he makes stupid remarks. He criticizes the drivers, but then admits he hasn't even used the latest ones. That is wrong and dishonest. I think it's people like Dave that caused 3dfx to go under.

And for the record: Taz was right about Travis. He will jump into any thread to proclaim fairness and honesty when someone says something bad about Radeon, but when someone says something good he proclaims them liars and cheats. Hah, people like that are so transparent.

 

[DaveB3D]

Beyond 3D isn't respected? ROFLMA? Alright. Then why is it people always show up there when they want to learn about graphics?

I caused 3dfx to go under? I'm sorry, did I not put in enough hours when I WORKED AT 3DFX??? geez... Maybe you should read the post i made just before yours.

If I'm so terrible and biased, why is it that nobody seems to have a problem with any of my articles? I mean hell, Firing Squad just posted one of mine the other day.

This guy is obviously very new to this message board. Apprently he is very new to graphics and the web in general.

 

[RoboTECH]

1) Beyond3d is one of the most well-respected technical computer sites on the internet.

2) To state that Dave caused 3dfx to go under...well, that obviously was a ridiculous statement. I take it I missed your sarcasm or joking or whatever. I'm pretty sure Dave, in his 3 months with 3dfx, didn't really affect the financial situation of 3dfx.

Calling the Radeon drivers &quot;sucky&quot; was rash, as the newer drivers, from what my buddy says, are an improvement in Win2k.

The FSAA still sucks tho.

Someone asked for an opinion, Dave gave his. If you don't like his opinion, don't get all goofy, just state your own.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

There is actually a bright side to people like Dave.

Most folks are smart enough to recognize bias in people, and so they don't visit their sites. And those people at the sites are too stupid to realize this, so they continue to show their ass to everyone, and guarantee that their site will never be respected or successful. It's kinda like what happened to 3dfx but on a much larger scale. So I say rejoice in the ignorance of others, for it proves the point better than we ever could.

I'm think Dave is just practicing trashing the competiton thinking it will help get him a job at nVidia. Thankfully I don't think nVidia is that desperate, and they realize it was the people like Dave that made 3dfx fail in the first place. They were a very badly run company with very low quality personnel. nVidia is just the opposite. They are very well run and very organized. Dave would not fit in.

 

[DaveB3D]

Dude, wtf are you talking about?

I haven't trashed anything. If you want me to trash the Radeon, I can do it BAD. I have no particular interest in doing it though. I can pretty well rip to pieces any card on the market now and any card coming out in the next 6 months.

Obviously I wasn't a bad thing for 3dfx. 3dfx came to me about a job afterall.

As for NVIDIA, sure I'd go work there. Am I trying to get in? Nope. Were I trying I'd probably be working there right now. As for fitting in, I know for a fact I'd fit in perfect. I've got many, many friends that work there.

I think somebody got their panties in an uproar because I said something bad about a prodoct/company they so love. Or maybe you work for ATI? Either way, you're pretty pathetic. If you want to come after me, you'd better be able to use your brain and argue whatever points you want to make. Otherwise you just look like an idiot.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

<< Beyond3d is one of the most well-respected technical computer sites on the internet. >>

LOL!!!!!! No it isn't. It's not even on the map! None of the people I know (mostly engineers and game developers) have even heard of it, and the ones who did visit it went away laughing. Enuff said.

And I never said Dave himself caused 3dfx to go under, I said people like Dave. People with his way of thinking.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

Haha, I have deleted this post. I don't want to hurt Dave's sensitive feelings. I do understand now that he only worked in the industry for a few months? And it was for a company that was desperate and going under? I think that says it better than what I had originally written.

What an idiot. I own a Geforce not a Radeon. I was just commenting on your bias.

LOL!!!!!!

 

[DaveB3D]

Really?

It is amazing because we typically get a couple hundered hits/day from NVIDIA and Matrox.. I know we get a lot from IMG Tech and ATI as well. And I do challange you to find a site that has engineers from all the companies visiting the message board and many that post regularly there. Also, feel free to find a site that is in regular communication with engineers from all the companies and a regular basis.