Radeon X1900GT review @ The Inquirer

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The Gainward 7900GT dominates in Doom 3. It can get up to 25 frames faster. It is also significantly faster in Doom 3 4X FSAA and 8X Aniso as well and is beating the X1900 GT big time. The scores are tight in Far Cry, as the cards are almost identical, the TUL X1900GT runs just a half frame faster. The Nvidia card manages to run faster at the highest resolution.

Power Color's X1900GT is slightly faster in Half Life 2. It runs on average three frames per second faster, nothing dramatic. It is faster in 10x7 with FSAA and Aniso on as well but the 7900 GT is taking a lead that increases with resolution.

Gainward's 7900 GT is faster in every single scenario in Quake 4 and it can get up to 23 frames faster. It is also faster in Quake 4 with FSAA 4X and Aniso 8X and runs from eight to ten frames faster.

In F.E.A.R, Gainward's 7900 GT is significantly faster than the TUL X1900 GT. It runs five to fifteen frames faster but the TUL X1900 GT can keep up with FSAA and Aniso on. It is either tight, or up to three measly frames slower. The ATI Radeon X1900 GT loses in Battlefield 2 as well. Nvidia is from three to thirteen frames faster but, yet again, ATI looks much better with the FSAA and Aniso on. It is slower by a frame at 10x7 but wins seven by twelve frames in all the other resolutions.

We started to use Serious Sam 2 as a test as it has very nice HDR parts of the benchmark. In our newcomer Serious Sam 2 test, the Nvidia 7900 GT duffs up ATI in every single scenario. It runs faster in all resolutions with FSAA, without FSAA, with HDR, with 4X Antialiasing and 8X and can be up to twenty frames faster, sometimes it is more than 40 per cent faster.

ATI still wins in High Quality FSAA 4X + Aniso 8X + HDR as the Nvidian simply cannot do it. You will get decent playability at 10x7 and 12x10 but not at higher resolutions. If you want higher resolution you really need something even faster than this.

The Radeon X1900 GT loses in 3Dmark03 by 2300 marks, but it wins in 3Dmark05 by 1580 marks. 3Dmark 06 is really tight but Nvidia wins by 10 marks only.

It is interesting to note that the TUL Radeon X1900 GT wins by 90 points in Shader model 3.0 and High Definition Rendering (HDR) test but it is losing in Shader model 2.0 test.

In short
Based on what we've seen TUL's Radeon X1900 GT is a good card but it simply cannot keep up with Gainward's 7900 GT card. The Nvidia-powered card simply runs faster and twelve pipes of R580 chip at 585MHz just cannot keep up with it.

TUL's Radeon X1900 GT has a good price and Avivo as its advantage but as a gaming card it will only run faster if you turn the effects on, and then only in few of the games. The rest will run faster on the Gainward and some of them really significantly faster. The X1900 GT does have the advantage of being able to render with FSAA and HDR on, as you should use those two things together.

If you looking to spend around $/?300 on a card and you want the top performance in all scenarios, the Geforce 7900 GT is the better choice. Nvidia did a great job with the 7900 GT card and offers a card faster than 7800 GTX for the $/?299 price mark and ATI simply needs more pipes to compete with it.

If you decide to buy a TUL Radeon X1900 GT you should turn the FSAA and Aniso on and possibly even HDR and then will the card pay off. It will be interesting to see what will ATI do now. µ
 

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I suspected performance would not be that good. The X1900GT has 1/2 the pixel pipes of the 7900GT, and in the end the 36-pixel shading processors arent enough to keep up, apparently. ATI needed something that was 16pp/48ps with lower clockspeeds (such as 550/1200, or 575/1200 such as the current X1900GT clocks), not something with lower clocks AND a reduction to 12pp/36ps.
 

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Well, assuming those benches are accurate, chalk it up to another Ati 9500p -> 9600p product regression. At least they could have clocked it at 625mhz like the rest, this just looks like they're using extremely defective r580 cores for the x1900gt.
 

dfloyd

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Considering performance whats cost difference? Right now I cant find a 7900GT for under $330 or so. If this card comes in with a suggested retail of $250 then its a good deal, if its closer to $300 then its not only competing with the 7900GT but also the X1800XT which imo is the best of all three for the cost (Can get it for $250 AR now).

So I disagree with the conclusion, if your looking to spend around $300 then you should not only consider the above two, but also the X1800XT, which imo is a much better deal for $250 than the 7900GT is for $330. Even considering the overclock abilities which the majority wont even consider as it voids your warranty.
 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: dfloyd
Considering performance whats cost difference? Right now I cant find a 7900GT for under $330 or so. If this card comes in with a suggested retail of $250 then its a good deal, if its closer to $300 then its not only competing with the 7900GT but also the X1800XT which imo is the best of all three for the cost (Can get it for $250 AR now).

So I disagree with the conclusion, if your looking to spend around $300 then you should not only consider the above two, but also the X1800XT, which imo is a much better deal for $250 than the 7900GT is for $330. Even considering the overclock abilities which the majority wont even consider as it voids your warranty.

eVGA 7900GT @ egg = $288
 

v8envy

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The X1800XT is going away sooner rather than later. If you want one, get one now. I'm betting it'll disappear out of the channel once the cripled X1900s get out.
 

imported_ST

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but.....is it unlockable? and how overclockable? if it unlockable and reaches xt speeds, i'm sold!
 

BFG10K

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Another round of benchmarks done under the default nVidia Quality settings no doubt.

To put things into perspective my 7800GT is slower than my X800XL in Serious Sam 2 when running under High Quality.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: dfloyd
Considering performance whats cost difference? Right now I cant find a 7900GT for under $330 or so. If this card comes in with a suggested retail of $250 then its a good deal, if its closer to $300 then its not only competing with the 7900GT but also the X1800XT which imo is the best of all three for the cost (Can get it for $250 AR now).

So I disagree with the conclusion, if your looking to spend around $300 then you should not only consider the above two, but also the X1800XT, which imo is a much better deal for $250 than the 7900GT is for $330. Even considering the overclock abilities which the majority wont even consider as it voids your warranty.

eVGA 7900GT @ egg = $288

And I think that is the "KO" version w/the better heatsink.
 

Wreckage

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The Inq is not a website to go to for benchmarks. It's more of an "entertainment" website.
 

aiya24

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
The Inq is not a website to go to for benchmarks. It's more of an "entertainment" website.

i agree with that. better to wait for the more respectable sites to put out reviews, like anandtech, hardocp and firingsquad. hopefully they will have some overclocking benches
 

karthik123

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The best 7900GT is evga's 7900 GT Signature Series? Card @ 600/1600MHz but with a MSRP @ $399 making it a rival of the X1900XT

 

Jules

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Originally posted by: karthik123
The best 7900GT is evga's 7900 GT Signature Series? Card @ 600/1600MHz but with a MSRP @ $399 making it a rival of the X1900XT

Sure lol.
 
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its wierd, the X1900GT takes a dive at 2048x1536

i mean FC for instance, it stays above 80 fps all the way to 1600x1200 then 2048x1536 drops nearly 20fps. its even worse at 4xaa 8xaf..... it drops nearly 40fps! somethings abit wacky there.

but i suppose not many people play at that resolution, unless your rich and have a 30inch display, or your keeping it real with a 22 inch CRT
 

Bobthelost

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Unless it can be unlocked or comes in very cheaply then nvida is going to own the $250-$350 region once the stocks of the X1800XT run out.
 

dfloyd

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No they are not going to own it. I am upgrading in that price range and I if I cant get a X1800XT I will go on up to the X1900XT as I am a huge Oblivion fan. Personally I think the X1900XT will drop to within that range once the X1800XT is phased out. And then, IMO, the 7900GTs will be in trouble
 

shabby

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Damn that x1900gt takes a beating, i expected it to at least tie the 7900gt let alone a default clocked one. It better fall below 300 bucks if ati wants to make a dent in the 7900gt sales
 

Cookie Monster

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The X1900XT/X has a 3:1 ratio (PS:TMU) while the X1900GT has a 2.25:1 ratio..

Wonder why they did this.
 
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