RAID-0

BriGy86

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i believe its RAID-0

im looking to strip the data accross 2 hard drives so that both hard drives read and write when accessing data

it should make boot ups and formating the OS on there a lot faster

is there a reason i shouldn't do this... like does it fail VERY often or technical things like that?
 

artikk

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The gain in speed is not worth the effort for raid 0 but if you want to make one large hard drive out of 2+ smaller ones, that won't matter. Of course, as Kensai pointed out, if one drive fails out of the whole bunch, all of the data on all the drives is lost forever.
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: Kensai
If one drive fails, all your information is screwed.

this i know, that's why i'm still debating, that and just the cost of buying 2 hard drives rather than 1

any other bad things i don't know about?
 

KoolDrew

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RAID-0 is not worth it one bit. There is basically no performance increase in real-world performance and it reduces reliability.
 

BriGy86

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for what its worth

a friend of mine told me he RAIDed his computer and XP installed in about 8 minutes

... thats pretty much all im going by
 

BOLt

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There's an Anandtech article that talks about RAID 0, you should look it up. Very interesting. Basically, it says that RAID 0 is worth nothing.

When I recommended a RAID 0 HD setup for a thread that was asking to suggest components for a $2000 computer, I got my wrist slapped for saying so.

Definately check out the article before investing in RAID 0.
 

l Xes l

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raid 0 only gives u like 1-3% performance increase in real life... aint worth it at all...
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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If you are going to do RAID, I'd highly suggest using 3 drives for a RAID 5 config. Good on speed, and you have redundancy. Although I think the whole RAID 0 failure bit is overexaggerated, no sense in doing it if you don't do it. Especially if you are doing it with your boot partition.
Tas.
 

HO

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If you Ghost your RAID drives, you can restore your data in the event of a failure. While I'm not sure if I'd personally use a RAID array for my root drive, I know people who do it. Just be advised, use it for your OS and apps only and store all your data files somewhere else. And back up early, back up often.
 

d2arcturus

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Originally posted by: BriGy86
is there a reason i shouldn't do this... like does it fail VERY often or technical things like that?

Have never had any problems with my 10K Raptors in RAID0 yet.

 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: BriGy86
for what its worth

a friend of mine told me he RAIDed his computer and XP installed in about 8 minutes

... thats pretty much all im going by

your friend is lying, there is no way you can do a fresh install in 8 minutes, the fastest i have seen is ~20mins using a stripped xp disc that had just the bare essentials
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: d2arcturus
Originally posted by: BriGy86
is there a reason i shouldn't do this... like does it fail VERY often or technical things like that?

Have never had any problems with my 10K Raptors in RAID0 yet.

yet being the important word, i hope you b/u often
 

wallsfd949

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Originally posted by: Kensai
If one drive fails, all your information is screwed.

This may be pointing out the obvious here, but if you are just running one drive (like most people do) - if one drive fails, all your information is screwed.

How does this differ from just running 1 disk on a standard ATA or SATA controller?



Backup your important stuff on a regular basis (typically /home and /etc for config files) and run a semi-anually full backup with RAID-0 and 2 or 3 disks. You'll notice a performance increase.
 

Excelsior

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Basically, it isn't worth it. You would be better off putting the money you would have spent on a 2nd drive..well..into either a better single drive, or then a better smaller drive while still having a big one for storage.
 

Valkerie

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You can do RAID 0 to have 1 large HD and another HD for important information if you don't want to go into a RAID 5 already having 3 drives. Basically, I would suggest you just buy a SATA controller that will support RAID 5 unless you already have one or your current mobo supports it (not likely for mainstream ones as of now)

I would skip the RAID 0. SATA drives offer enough performance, especially if it's a Raptor. Opinion, go RAID 5.
 

Noriaki

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Originally posted by: wallsfd949
Originally posted by: Kensai
If one drive fails, all your information is screwed.

This may be pointing out the obvious here, but if you are just running one drive (like most people do) - if one drive fails, all your information is screwed.

How does this differ from just running 1 disk on a standard ATA or SATA controller?

If you have 2 drives in RAID0 and either of them dies you lose all the data on BOTH.

If you have 2 individual drives and either of them dies you lose only the data on it.

Specifically suppose you have an "OS/Apps" drive and a "Data" drive, which I think is a pretty common minimal division. With two separate drives you only lose your Data if the Data drive dies. Most of us probably don't care as much if we lose our OS/Apps drive...that can be rebuilt. If you have a RAID0 array (split into partitions probably), you lose your Data if either drive dies. So your chance of losing your data, which is what we probably care about, is higher.

Granted in either scenario you should back up important stuff, but your chance of losing it all is higher with RAID0.
 

BriGy86

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thank you for all the responses

speed was my main reason for doing it, but if its gonna be hardly anything, i spose i'll hold off on it

about RAID-5: would it give me a bit of a speed increase and also give me reliability?

by everyones posts im guessing that would be the best solution

just a matter of finding out if my mobo supports it (im betting it doesn't) or finding a mobo that does
 

Noriaki

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The problem with RAID0 for speed increase is that the main thing you need speed wise for most applications is seek time, and RAID0 doesn't do anything for it.

RAID0 gives you a huge boost to sequential transfer rates (theoretically doubles it)...but unless you are reading sequentially from one gigantic file that is totally contiguous (defragged, to use the windows term) that really doesn't gain you much.

Even reading large files under normal circumstances you have to jump around the disk because the files blocks won't be contiguous.

So it does depend on what you are using the disks for, there are certain very specialized tasks that RAID0's speed increase can be significant for. But usually STR is a very small part of the overall performance picture, so even though RAID0 increases it hugely the overall result it not that significant. Unfortunately STR is also one of the easiest things to measure the performance impact of, so synthetic benchmarks are often much more dependant on STR than real world use.

If you want hard drive performance increases (which you should, it's often a performance bottleneck), you want to find yourself the drive with the lowest average seek time. Don't worry about STR.
RPM actually is an important measure, it contributes to both lowering rotational latency (which is a component of total seek time) and increasing STR, but it's not the only factor. Big buffers are great too, since if something is the buffer it can just be sent out, no need to move the read head at all.


RAID5 in theory should be able to offer the similar read performance improvements to RAID0, but also includes some redundancy. It's a pretty good bag if you can afford those drives. I think 3 drive is minimum for RAID5 and you'll get total capacity of the array equal to 2 drives (ie, 3 200GB drives in RAID5 gives you 400GB total space), with actual redundancy, you need 2 of the 3 drives to fail to lose your data.

I haven't used RAID5, so in practice I'm not sure what it's performance is like. But it seems like a pretty good deal to me. RAID0 is a pretty risky game for probably minimal performance improvments.
 

KoolDrew

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RAID0 gives you a huge boost to sequential transfer rates (theoretically doubles it)...but unless you are reading sequentially from one gigantic file that is totally contiguous (defragged, to use the windows term) that really doesn't gain you much.

Also under Windows most files are not read sequentially, wether they are fragmented or not. The head is always hopping all over the place reading a bit here and there until it gets back to that original file. You are also correct about seek times. Seek times are everything when it comes to HD performance.
 

trader869

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your friend is lying, there is no way you can do a fresh install in 8 minutes, the fastest i have seen is ~20mins using a stripped xp disc that had just the bare essentials


Im not saying you FOS....but i can guarantee you that i install XP pro in 14 minutes,easily. Thats with one 80G WD. When I used Raid0 on my other pc, it installed in 12 minutes. And that was repeated time after time when i tested that setup.
 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: trader869
your friend is lying, there is no way you can do a fresh install in 8 minutes, the fastest i have seen is ~20mins using a stripped xp disc that had just the bare essentials


Im not saying you FOS....but i can guarantee you that i install XP pro in 14 minutes,easily. Thats with one 80G WD. When I used Raid0 on my other pc, it installed in 12 minutes. And that was repeated time after time when i tested that setup.

From "Press any key to boot from CD" to staring at a Windows desktop?

Uh-huh.
 
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