gamerguy2

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Hello.

If I Raid 1 two HDDs and one fails, will the Windows and all executable software run on the mirred HDD? In other words, if I have two mirrored HDDs with Windows will all the software be ok if one HDD fails, will I just be able to unplug one drive if the other fails, and will Windows run and all the programs I have installed on the backup?

Thanks.
 

StraightPipe

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yep. RAID1 makes an exact copy of the first drive on the second drive. if one goes down, the other will still be functional. replace the bad drive and the RAID controller can rebuild the array from the working hard drive.
 

gamerguy2

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I appreciate the prompt replies.

What I read is that if one drive fails, you can replace the drive and Raid 1 will "replicate" itself on the replacement drive. What if I wanted to add a drive and then Raid 1 it. Can I have a drive that wasnt in Raid 1 "replicate" itself on a new HDD after putting the original drive into Raid 1 array?
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: gamerguy2
What if I wanted to add a drive and then Raid 1 it. Can I have a drive that wasnt in Raid 1 "replicate" itself on a new HDD after putting the original drive into Raid 1 array?
Some (most? all?) drive controllers can do this for RAID 1.
 

Zstream

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Do you know the performance difference between raid 1 & 5? I would imagine Raid 1 is just like a single HDD?
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Do you know the performance difference between raid 1 & 5? I would imagine Raid 1 is just like a single HDD?
RAID 5 gives faster reads and slower write speeds than RAID 1. With the "right" RAID 1 setup, RAID 1 can read from multiple disks simultaneously, speeding up the reads versus a single disk. But I have no idea what the requirements are to take advantage of this.
 

Paperdoc

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Do you know the performance difference between raid 1 & 5? I would imagine Raid 1 is just like a single HDD?

RAID1 uses two separate physical drives, each a mirror copy of the other. Every delete and / or write operation is done on both drives (one first, then the other VERY soon after). A read operation will be done from the first drive that has the data available; a sustained sequential read may be done by alternating between drives to speed it up. In the background the RAID system constantly checks the drives to be sure they both are working properly and that their data matches. In the event of a failure, the system automatically reverts to using ONLY the good drive, and alerts the user to the problem. The software also usually includes tools to help identify the faulty drive, and then (following replacement) make a fresh complete mirror copy of the good drive to the new one, restoring the full mirrored RAID1 operation. RAID1 uses two drives to give you one drive's storage capacity. OP, the RAID1 system I used has tools included that will let you take a partially-filled regular drive and add a new empty drive, then convert them both into a RAID1 array containing all the original data.

RAID5 uses several physical drives (minimum 3, the classic structure is 5) and splits every byte written to the array into four pieces, then calculates a fifth byte with XOR data. All five bytes are written to different places - in the classic structure, one of each of the four pieces to the first four drives, and the extra byte to the fifth. The mathematics involved means that if you lose any one of those five pieces due to a disk problem, the remaining four pieces are used to completely regenerate the original byte unambiguously. The system monitors itself and, for a minor error, it can give you the right data and then go back to fix the record on the disks. If that record can't be fixed then it can detect which disk has the faulty information, stop using it, and report the problem. The entire system can continue to operate with slightly longer data access times due to the extra CPU workload required, until the faulty drive is replaced. Once that is done, the RAID5 system can re-construct the data on the new replacement drive from the surviving data on the other four, and that completely restores the RAID5 array. Really good RAID5 systems use dedicated controller cards to reduce CPU workload, and these often also make it possible to "Hot Swap" a replacement drive in place of a faulty one, then rebuild the array as a background task, so the the system experiences no downtime at all. That feature is not usually available in RAID1 or RAID5 built into the mobo's chipset. RAID5 (classic form) uses five drives to give you four drives' storage capacity.

Both systems offer protection against data loss, ability to recover and restore themselves, and assurance of continued system function during the fault stages. However, the do their jobs quite differently.

Both systems, obviously, cannot recover from simultaneous failure of two drives (I've seen it happen - remember to BACKUP!) RAID6 does something like RAID5 but calculates and stores an additional relationship between the four original byte pieces, with the result that the byte can be regenerated unambiguously from any 4 of the 6 pieces of stored information. So, it can recover from simultaneous failures in two drives, a rare event! RAID6 uses six drives to delivery four drives' storage capacity. The level of data security in RAID5 or RAID6 usually is deployed only in large data servers that MUST ensure on-line performance with almost no downtime. They require some professional-quality maintenance and monitoring. In those settings the systems usually benefit from correct backup systems, also, unlike so many home / SOHO systems.
 

Rokuk

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newbie question here:

how do you know when one of the drives fails? is there some sort of indicator? does it prompt you during reboot process or something?

or do you just kind of have to "know" one of them failed so you can replace it?

my fear would be never noticing one drive had failed, then the only way I would know was when they would BOTH fail. and that kinds of defeats the purpose!

thanks = )
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Rokuk
my fear would be never noticing one drive had failed, then the only way I would know was when they would BOTH fail. and that kinds of defeats the purpose!
That happens fairly often. Especially with "servers" that aren't seen by humans.

Most higher-end RAID controllers have buzzers that announce a drive failure. But some, like the built-in versions of the Dell PERC 5 controller, have no audible alarm. It's also not uncommon for folks to replace a drive and forget to re-enable the alarm. Low-end onboard or add-in RAID controllers seldom have audible alarms.

The software that can be installed to manage the arrays can also present warning messages, send emails, or write to the OS' Event Log.

Finally, upon boot, the RAID BIOS will show that an array is "degraded", meaning one or more drives have failed. That warning will usually stop the boot process (unless that's been disabled). But it won't help if the server seldom gets rebooted.
 

Rokuk

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WOW! sh!t!!

so how does the average, lowly home user trying to use mirroring for decent backup purposes handle this? periodically remove the drives to test each drive individually to make sure it's still working? Ouch. And that doesn't even help if, for instance, you do it on a quarterly or monthly basis and both drives fail in the same quarter / month! Hrm. Is there an easy way to do this? maybe even automate it?


I was thinking of setting up a little home-rolled NAS server for backups, but the inability to know if my redundancy has just crapped out kind of entirely defeats the purpose of making sure there is a viable mirror of the data...


the Drobo product (http://www.drobo.com/products/drobo.php) has (best feature, IMO) a status light for each drive that turn red when a drive dies, and you just replace it. I would totally go for that, other than the fact the enclosure costs $300, and the ethernet enabling add-on is ANOTHER $200 (and that doesn't include the cost for any of the drives!).

So again, would really love to roll my own NAS, but not being able to reliably tell if my array is dead is almost a game-ender right there for me! Am I overreacting? How do home users control for this eventuality (drive failures need to be detected... somehow!!)?

THANKS!
 

Emulex

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use windows home server which is a baby version of windows 2003/2008 storage server with DPM (data protection manager).
 
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