rainwater collection for drinking. any advice?

luv2liv

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anyone here built a system for collection rainwater for drinking?
the most expensive part is purifying the water. these systems include UV for kiling bacteria and elaborate filters.

cant i just run the collected rainwater through a Brita filter and consume it? i just want something simple and dirt cheap.
 

Tsaico

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I can't imagine that being enough. I would see the problem being where you store the water. When it is sitting around is where it will get the grossness in it. When we were camping (survival style with the Fraternity), one of the members had a drum with holes in the bottom. We filled it with layers of sand, gravel, charcoal, in that order, then we took buckets of water from a pond and used this as a filter. We still ended up boiling the water though. It also still tasted horrible. None of the sorority gals would take a second drink. Though none of us got sick...

How expensive can tap water be in your area? What would be the practical use?
 

luv2liv

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i dont know what the tap bill will be. (just bought a house)
however, i've always wanted to try to live off the grid by installing solar panel and now collecting rain water for gardening and drinking
 

NutBucket

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Using gray water/rain water for landscaping is a no-brainer IMHO. Using it for drinking water is probably more trouble than its worth.
 

helpme

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Drinking water from the local utility company is almost nothing... Not worth it. If you're trying to get rain water from your taps/showers... that's another story. You'll need a system to generate water pressure (pump or balloon membrane storage tanks). Probably way more trouble than its worth.
 

ThatsABigOne

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Just drink the rainwater. It actually tastes good because it is rich in B vitamins.
 

natto fire

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i dont know what the tap bill will be. (just bought a house)
however, i've always wanted to try to live off the grid by installing solar panel and now collecting rain water for gardening and drinking

Retrofitting an existing house for off the grid use will more than likely be extremely expensive or plain impossible. Variables such as age of the house, surroundings and which way it faces will make or break it. Every off the grid house I have been to was built from the ground up with off grid use in mind, including one that was a decent sized place at 9800 ft elevation.

It is an admirable goal, one I actually have for myself eventually as well. Not sure what your house situation is now as far as lot/land size, HOA situation, or other things, but something to consider before you put much money into your plan.

As for the water, I learned everything about homesteading when I lived in the desert, so rainwater was scarce, therefore we only had simple barrels that would be used to water the gardens. Do you know the depth of the aquifers around where your house is located? Are wells common or is everyone on municipal water?

That system Skorpio linked to looks interesting, and there is always solar distillation, but you are probably better off pumping your drinking water. Then again, if you already have a connection to municipal water you won't be allowed to dig a well.
 

Gibson486

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Most rain water systems I know are used for "non consumption" purposes like watering plants. That said, it is not out of the realm to do what you are thinking of doing. As long you clean the water before consumption, it should be good. They sell portable UV water cleaning systems at EMS type stores.

BTW, some utilities already clean water with the UV method. So, if they do it, there is no need to do it again.
 
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waggy

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lxskllr

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As everyone else said, it's best to use it for non consumptive purposes, but if you do want to drink rainwater, a Brita is as good as anything I guess. That'll get rid of the chunks from the collection process, but won't actually clean the water. If you want to really clean it, there isn't much you can do that wouldn't cost money. A solar still would be almost free, but sloooooow.
 

natto fire

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Lmao. Stupid United States.

I'm assuming you have never lived in a desert region? When the amount of average amount of rainfall a year is single digits, and you are already dealing with rivers drying up water is extremely precious. (I'm wondering if the Washington one is state law?) You wouldn't think a roof would gather enough water to make a dent in something as mighty as rain from the sky, but you multiply those roofs and you are keeping a lot of water from going to the watershed. I am not saying I agree with the laws, but where I used to live in New Mexico water was the most hotly debated (I was smack dab between 3 indian reservations) topic by a long shot. Luckily we had smart Spaniards that built the acequias and irrigation water was somewhat plentiful (wildfires last summer in Pacheco canyon and Los Alamos dropped many nearby reservoirs pretty low, though), I guess even with reservoirs in the affected states, that was not enough.

That is all speculation on other states, but my time in the Pojoaque valley taught me a lot about how valuable water can be. I grew up here in central Ohio, where it is not uncommon to get as much rain in a week as I would get from a whole year out there.
 

Imp

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Make sure you are not living in a state where collecting rainwater is illegal.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/its-illegal-to-collect-rainwater/

Last I checked they include Utah, Colorado and Washington but some will let you do it with a permit.

This first. Utah and some other south states have water "claims" where the first person upstream of where the water originates gets a quantity "stake" on water. Something like that, it's not that difficult a concept, but I forget what it is.


So, um, I did a master's project/"thesis" on global rainwater reuse and design.

Personally, I would not use rainwater for drinking. Having said that, note that it's fairly common in Australia to use raiwnater from the roof directly for drinking untreated, and LOTS of people worldwide drink groundwater from wells directly without treatment (I was a bit shocked when I learned this).

Bla bla bla, not legal advice, don't sue me. If you do want to go ahead, first check if you're allowed to by state. Then think about your collection system. There are lots of guides on helping you make one. Not a single state in the US of A (that I recall) legally allows people to collect rainwater for potable purposes. Most you can do is launder, wash shit, water garden, flush toilets, etc. (non-potable) - see Oregon, Texas, New Mexico, California, Colorado.

On the contamination front, you have to worry about your conveyance surface (i.e. roof and gutters). That shit can leach toxic shit (e.g. lead, mercury). Then there's the environment: your neighbour's chimney/meth lab dust, all the shit on the street and 50 blocks away blows onto your roof and sits there to be "washed" by rain. Then there's bacteria, but I'd be more afraid of heavy metals.

You could treat your rainwater, but you'd need something like micro-/ultrafiltration membranes, a UV system, and probably a chlorinator if you plan on storing your water for any "lengthy" period of time. Then you'd want to regularly test it at a certified lab to make sure it stays safe. Also, if any member of the "public" comes to drink your water and they get sick, they may be able to sue you, especially if your state has laws for rainwater: if they say you can't drink it, you fu*ked, and if they just don't say, well, then you're still fu*ked because it's neither legal or illegal.

Long story short, too much work. From a cost-benefit standpoint, toilets and landscaping accounts for a big chunk of your water use, so just take those savings and run with it.


Edit: A Brita filter is just a granular filter probably meant for taste and odour. I don't know much about it, but water treatment systems using sand filters use them just to remove the majority of finer sediment, and some bacteria. Viruses may be small enough to slip by. Don't even know how it works on dissolved stuff.
 
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Modelworks

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You could use something like a water filter, they even sell filters with hand pumps that are designed for camping. Inside the filters it is a particle filter, then charcoal, then a membrane then a resin that does the metals removal. These filters will not remove bacteria or viruses .

Survivalist practice to make water drinkable is filter it with a coffee filter or very fine mesh then add bleach, 1/4 tsp to each gallon. After adding the bleach , shake it up and let it sit for at least 30 minutes. If you can taste the bleach you used too much.
 

natto fire

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Lol, at the idea of pumping the water from even a tiny roof through a hand pump. (I know you were just mentioning that because of the filter strength, it does get bacteria BTW). It would take me over 3 minutes to pump 1.5 liters with my Katadyn hiker pro. I eventually got so good that I could pump one bottle and simultaneously get another bottle filled and tabs in it.

I am curious what OP's current house status is, as that should really set the direction of this thread.
 
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