Raja Koduri Leaves AMD.

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tamz_msc

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The legitimacy of the "source" of WCCFtech notwithstanding, why does this seem like deja-vu just like the Nokia-MSFT deal back in the day?

This would give credence to Kyle Bennett's 2016 story of the brewing faction wars at AMD in relation to RTG.
 
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Is he going to take his experience building AI chips from Radeon Extinct to Intel Novana ?
 
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I think people are to negative while focusing on all the "failures" from RTG. Which there are not.
It is not uncommon for tech savvy people to give everything they got while sacrificing family and friends and sometimes health.
Maybe he has a burn out and needs a sabbatical to recharge.
It is not uncommon in the technology world.
Besides, sometimes people want a new adventure after some time of relaxation.
 

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I was interested to read Kyle from HardOCP's article on Raja Koduri and RTG. Looks like he might have been right. Lisa Su might have "asked" him to resign.

I am very interested to hear what Lisa Su really thinks about the deal with Intel. It could be that she does not like it but has no choice but continue with the agreement even if she doesn't like it.
 

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I was interested to read Kyle from HardOCP's article on Raja Koduri and RTG. Looks like he might have been right. Lisa Su might have "asked" him to resign.

I am very interested to hear what Lisa Su really thinks about the deal with Intel. It could be that she does not like it but has no choice but continue with the agreement even if she doesn't like it.
That would mean that the Intel deal was being negotiated by Raja without prior knowledge of the rest of the management, and his resignation was a punishment. Highly unlikely. And why would Lisa Su not like this deal? AMD gets a far better chance at selling Radeon GPUs in the short term with this partnership.
 

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That would mean that the Intel deal was being negotiated by Raja without prior knowledge of the rest of the management, and his resignation was a punishment. Highly unlikely. And why would Lisa Su not like this deal? AMD gets a far better chance at selling Radeon GPUs in the short term with this partnership.

It is good for AMD in some ways, bad for them in others.

On the plus side, it puts the hurt on Nvidia.

On the bad side, AMD loses a selling point for their own products if they wanted to launch in that space.
 

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I was interested to read Kyle from HardOCP's article on Raja Koduri and RTG. Looks like he might have been right. Lisa Su might have "asked" him to resign.

I am very interested to hear what Lisa Su really thinks about the deal with Intel. It could be that she does not like it but has no choice but continue with the agreement even if she doesn't like it.
Take this down a notch from kyles drama. Not that raja doesnt make drama all over himself. But kyle is a man with temper and the writeup looks like his usual revenge writes.
it's a pretty normal situation and amd hinted 40 days ago what happened. If raja was to return it was for a position where he was not the CEO of rtg so speak.

If he was downright thrown out this is not the way to do it and would have happened differently and the way we always see.

Raja was working he ass off in sorts of corners. He was into all kinds of details. I dont think that works out well but its sad we cant have those kind of extremely visionary and knowledgeable profiles at the top. I will miss him but anyway i think he have delivered to amd what he could and is of better use elsewhere.
 

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The basic problem for rtg is the lack of strategic focus imo.
The portfolio is simply to wide the way they do it now. To many dies. To many purposes. To much software to develop.
The ressources is thin all over because of that.
And thats the responsibility of raja.
 

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The basic problem for rtg is the lack of strategic focus imo.
The portfolio is simply to wide the way they do it now. To many dies. To many purposes. To much software to develop.
The ressources is thin all over because of that.
And thats the responsibility of raja.

LOL

The whole reason why RTG is a failure is because they only have midrange GPUs. If you are gonna talk about portefolio you can look at Nvidia with big die GPUs scaled all the way down to small GPUs.

Only offering Vega 64 and 56 is poor. But they probably ditched any plans of big and small GPUs when they saw how bad the efficiency was to Pascal.
Its a reason why Raja went to hiding and now have to leave. The architecture is just bad compared to the competition and late. This responsibility is Rajas and what he will be remembered for.
RTG and Raja is piss poor compared to when what AMD made with 7970 and 290X.
 
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That would mean that the Intel deal was being negotiated by Raja without prior knowledge of the rest of the management, and his resignation was a punishment. Highly unlikely.

It doesn't sound that crazy to me. Crazier things have happened in history. Compared to them this is like a drop in a bucket.

I doubt Intel will stop at high end parts. Oh no, that's not how they do things. Most projects that stop are stopped because they view it as not making a material impact to their $60 billion in revenue, while in the beginning they might have thought it would have. You think eventually they won't make a choice between keeping their Gen graphics team or going all in with RTG graphics?
 
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Agreed, AMD doesn't attract the kind of talent it used to. Everyone I knew working with them up in Austin has moved to Intel or Samsung and have doubled their salaries in the process. AMD is going to need their CPU division to do the heavy lifting for a few more years before they can offer the kind of pay that top tier talent demands.
Looks like Raja jumped ship for a big dog too maybe.
The thing is, there are companies that are like this. They are just like a D League for other companies. Like NBA teams that are too poor to keep their star rookie's after their rookie contract is up.
When people get the sense that this is what the stars do, that's even worse. It's never good to be at a work place where the practice is to leave when you're good, not move up/negotiate more pay/etc.
 

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Honestly the ramifications of the Intel/AMD deal are probably way too complex for any of us to really get a grasp on without knowing the confidential details of the agreement. It could be great for AMD; it could also be a desperate move that will just pad the bottom line with a few dollars. Hard to say. But I will comment that the timing of all this is wayyy too coincidental to be unrelated. Raja could have been forced out either for poorly performing GPU products (we know for a fact they under delivered there), forced out because of something to do with this deal, or finally he could have left basically because he wanted to and Intel had a better role for him.

From what I know of Raja the person.. I think he is a true engineer in the sense that he gets his satisfaction from crafting/altering and contributing to new technologies and products. It doesn't seem like he is so keen on the business side of things, which as the head of RTG was a major part of his job. We know he was constantly dealing with profit and losses and a large chunk of his daily work was probably $$$ numbers. It could be that his new role (if at Intel) wherever he lands will be purely technical in nature freeing him up from the commercial side and letting him focus on just designing/engineering.
 

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Yeah, this was written on the wall ever since he took that 2 months "vacation". It was probably a soft firing, so that they can restructure internally without causing any sort of conflicts and giving raja time to prepare a statement and lie how its his decision, so everyone wins!

Thing is Vega was an utter failure, I know people will defend it, but its just way too forward thinking, some of it features might not end up being properly utilized or utilized at all for years. Maybe in 2 years time Vega 64 will destroy the 1080ti in every single Vulkan and DX12 game, but by that point it won't matter.

We've seen in Wolfenstein 2 that Vega 64 is faster than the 1080ti when many of its features are properly utilized, but this is just one game out of the hundreds released each year. AMD needed at least 10 AAA games that utilize their technology properly to even stand a small chance.

Vega 56 is faster than the 1080 in Wolfenstein 2, we see the potential, but again the design is way too forward looking and not many developers are going to start over on their engine development to accommodate for AMD's two graphic cards.

So the decisions they've taken have been wrong, they should have focused more on the here and now and less about the future.

Vega consumes too much power, has too many features that are useless for gaming and only useful for pro versions, which is a different market, its bigger, bulkier, etc... than the 1080ti.

The reference AMD design is also crap, crappy ass coolers with high temperatures, high noise, high temperatures. Its not much worse than Nvidia's reference design, but its definitely weaker.
 

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Yeah, this was written on the wall ever since he took that 2 months "vacation". It was probably a soft firing, so that they can restructure internally without causing any sort of conflicts and giving raja time to prepare a statement and lie how its his decision, so everyone wins!

Thing is Vega was an utter failure, I know people will defend it, but its just way too forward thinking, some of it features might not end up being properly utilized or utilized at all for years. Maybe in 2 years time Vega 64 will destroy the 1080ti in every single Vulkan and DX12 game, but by that point it won't matter.

We've seen in Wolfenstein 2 that Vega 64 is faster than the 1080ti when many of its features are properly utilized, but this is just one game out of the hundreds released each year. AMD needed at least 10 AAA games that utilize their technology properly to even stand a small chance.

Vega 56 is faster than the 1080 in Wolfenstein 2, we see the potential, but again the design is way too forward looking and not many developers are going to start over on their engine development to accommodate for AMD's two graphic cards.

So the decisions they've taken have been wrong, they should have focused more on the here and now and less about the future.

Vega consumes too much power, has too many features that are useless for gaming and only useful for pro versions, which is a different market, its bigger, bulkier, etc... than the 1080ti.

The reference AMD design is also crap, crappy ass coolers with high temperatures, high noise, high temperatures. Its not much worse than Nvidia's reference design, but its definitely weaker.
What really blew my mind is the die size of Vega vs the performance in most games. I think the consensus was that they really did just put gaming as the #2 priority and designed Vega for HPC. Literally no other way to justify the regression in perf/mm^2 vs Polaris, much less vs GP102/GP104.
 
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...course-correction-2017-11-08?siteid=rss&rss=1

"A big part of the success of Ryzen and EPYC processor families was properly setting expectations. By adopting a practice of “under promise and over deliver”, AMD was able to stay under the radar long enough for Intel to not have a runway to react until it was too late. That has never been the style for the Radeon Technologies Group, instead leaning toward an aggressive, outspoken mentality."
 
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I was interested to read Kyle from HardOCP's article on Raja Koduri and RTG. Looks like he might have been right. Lisa Su might have "asked" him to resign.

I am very interested to hear what Lisa Su really thinks about the deal with Intel. It could be that she does not like it but has no choice but continue with the agreement even if she doesn't like it.

An agreement like the Intel deal likely would have to be voted on my the BOD. There's no way the CEO wouldn't be heavily involved.
 

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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...course-correction-2017-11-08?siteid=rss&rss=1

"A big part of the success of Ryzen and EPYC processor families was properly setting expectations. By adopting a practice of “under promise and over deliver”, AMD was able to stay under the radar long enough for Intel to not have a runway to react until it was too late. That has never been the style for the Radeon Technologies Group, instead leaning toward an aggressive, outspoken mentality."

Poor Volta or the stupid rebellion commercials comes to mind.....
Or Fury X marketing slides that presented the card like it was 30% faster in gaming than 980Ti...

Raja and RTG have been overhyping and underdelivering ever since it was founded.

The whole reason RTG was founded was to give them more control of the product development and to have more funds to make better products.

Of course someone had to take the consequences of all the stupid stuff they did
 
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