Rally against War in Iraq

[Polish3d]

I honestly would be 100 bucks that Cindy either didn't write that speech at all, or had professional public. rel. help with it

 

[Jediab]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey


Keep it up extreme left, we're counting on YOU!

Considering that 60% now think it wasn't worth going to war, sounds like they (the protestors) are in the majority and already have an ear.

Of course you'll dismiss this, but that's the way it is.

Can you tell me how many protesters were just anti-war? Seems to me that it was just a protest everything type rally. IMF haters, anarchists, Pro-Palestinian terrorists, you name it they were there for their little cause- which may or may not be explicitly about the Iraq war.

This is a good point. I bet you very very few of the people there are JUST anti-war. The people who go to these things are usually disillusioned by something and are seen to be ripe for recruitment by the far left extreme groups. They set up shop and pass out crap to anyone and everyone they can. They have no genuine interest in what the real reason for the rally is for. It's just a place to get more followers for their "cause".

What's worse is you have the anarchists groups show up to these types of things and attempt to cause confrontations with the police and to cause property damage.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jediab

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey


Keep it up extreme left, we're counting on YOU!

Considering that 60% now think it wasn't worth going to war, sounds like they (the protestors) are in the majority and already have an ear.

Of course you'll dismiss this, but that's the way it is.

Can you tell me how many protesters were just anti-war? Seems to me that it was just a protest everything type rally. IMF haters, anarchists, Pro-Palestinian terrorists, you name it they were there for their little cause- which may or may not be explicitly about the Iraq war.

This is a good point. I bet you very very few of the people there are JUST anti-war. The people who go to these things are usually disillusioned by something and are seen to be ripe for recruitment by the far left extreme groups. They set up shop and pass out crap to anyone and everyone they can. They have no genuine interest in what the real reason for the rally is for. It's just a place to get more followers for their "cause".

What's worse is you have the anarchists groups show up to these types of things and attempt to cause confrontations with the police and to cause property damage.

I agree, it hasn't gotten to the point where the average American is willing to go out to the street and protest this war yet.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I agree, it hasn't gotten to the point where the average American is willing to go out to the street and protest this war yet.

The American casualty rate in Iraq compared to other wars is small. 400k Americans died over 3.5 years in WW2. It was like 55k in Vietnam. Has it even crossed 2k in Iraq? My point is that the casualty rate of Americans will have to skyrocket before average Americans get 'mad' and take to the streets. Sure, the polls show that a majority of Americans disapprove of the handling of the war, but there is a difference between 'disapproval' and protesting in the streets. I don't see it happening IMHO.

 

[conjur]

Yeah, because we all know how similar WWII and Iraq are.

:roll:

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah, because we all know how similar WWII and Iraq are.

:roll:

That's not my point. The rest of my post is.

 

[conjur]

Then why did you bring up the ridiculous comparison? You do yourself no favors in so doing.


Americans have gotten apathetic, lazy, and content in their little cocoons. Yes, it will take a lot to get the average American out into the street but all of the polls show that the MAJORITY of Americans are now against the handling of the war and the MAJORITY want a full withdrawal or, at the least, begin the withdrawal. They see through the Propaganda now.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I agree, it hasn't gotten to the point where the average American is willing to go out to the street and protest this war yet.

The American casualty rate in Iraq compared to other wars is small. 400k Americans died over 3.5 years in WW2. It was like 55k in Vietnam. Has it even crossed 2k in Iraq? My point is that the casualty rate of Americans will have to skyrocket before average Americans get 'mad' and take to the streets. Sure, the polls show that a majority of Americans disapprove of the handling of the war, but there is a difference between 'disapproval' and protesting in the streets. I don't see it happening IMHO.

I agree with you. Another thing to consider is that the Soldiers are volunteers. If they were conscripts and the average young person was in danger of being drafted to fight the Dub's Crock in Iraq,college students would be protesting in large numbers (and I bet a large number of youngster who favor the war would have a change of heart)

 

[conjur]

The protestors protesting the anti-war protestors

:laugh:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I agree, it hasn't gotten to the point where the average American is willing to go out to the street and protest this war yet.

Damn, you mean the sky isn't falling?

Seems the eternal pessimists on internet message boards are the only ones "protesting"...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I agree, it hasn't gotten to the point where the average American is willing to go out to the street and protest this war yet.

Damn, you mean the sky isn't falling?

Seems the eternal pessimists on internet message boards are the only ones "protesting"...

Is there really a need to actively protest this war in the streets? In all respects the Dub's Military Adventurism is effectively hamstrung due to the disaproval of this ill conceived and ill advised "Excellent Adventure" in Iraq by the majority of the American Public.

 

[conjur]

Darn hippies

 

[ocforums]

I personally think the real opposition to the war is more Anti bush then anything else.

Apparently people who are against the war need perfect scientific proof Saddam and Iraq had eather weapons of mass destuction,or a direct link to terrorism.And it is these people who also DEMAND the US have the UN decide what to do next even after knowing Iraq violated 19 resolutions,PAID 25,000 US dollars to every Suicide bombers famialy who killed innocient isrely people and conspired with UN officials to rob his nation blind with the Oil for Food program.

BUT dont say to them , HOW do you, , abortion that you support that KILLS a child every 11 seconds. How do we know it HAS not killed off the people the world needs to have PEACE ? ? You see this argument like there war argument needs perfect scientific proof to answer,,Yet in this debate they are the ones relying on un-scientific proof to justify there posistion..And quick to discount the argument they are potentially killing off people the world needs . .

I say HOW DARE YOU pretend to care about children NOW in such a hypacriticle mannor . Dont you dare forget your sexual un-responsibility causes more death in a day then a war fought to quell terrorists in 2 years . . (7200 killed a day)

And you stand up and shout like you are some lover and holder of lifes sancity . . You dare say we send our kids off to die for nothing ? ? Personally the draft should be imposed for protesters only, which would solve 2 big issues with one stone . .

 

[umbrella39]

Welcome back RIP. All kidding aside, how about a draft only for the Iraq war supporters? I would rally around that cause. Welcome to P&N and thanks for marginalizing yourself on your first post! Usually takes a few posts for someone with your ideals to do that. :thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Oh look...new a Freeper troll spreading years-old talking points.

yay.




Anyway, this pic is funny as hell!!

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh look...new a Freeper troll spreading years-old talking points.

yay.




Anyway, this pic is funny as hell!!

LOL, the guy on the bike looks like he is trying to figure out if he wants to hit that.

 

[conjur]

:laugh:

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: ocforums
I personally think the real opposition to the war is more Anti bush then anything else.

Apparently people who are against the war need perfect scientific proof Saddam and Iraq had eather weapons of mass destuction,or a direct link to terrorism.And it is these people who also DEMAND the US have the UN decide what to do next even after knowing Iraq violated 19 resolutions,PAID 25,000 US dollars to every Suicide bombers famialy who killed innocient isrely people and conspired with UN officials to rob his nation blind with the Oil for Food program.

BUT dont say to them , HOW do you, , abortion that you support that KILLS a child every 11 seconds. How do we know it HAS not killed off the people the world needs to have PEACE ? ? You see this argument like there war argument needs perfect scientific proof to answer,,Yet in this debate they are the ones relying on un-scientific proof to justify there posistion..And quick to discount the argument they are potentially killing off people the world needs . .

I say HOW DARE YOU pretend to care about children NOW in such a hypacriticle mannor . Dont you dare forget your sexual un-responsibility causes more death in a day then a war fought to quell terrorists in 2 years . . (7200 killed a day)

And you stand up and shout like you are some lover and holder of lifes sancity . . You dare say we send our kids off to die for nothing ? ? Personally the draft should be imposed for protesters only, which would solve 2 big issues with one stone . .

Being anti-Iraq war is being anti-Bush. Bush likes to call himself the "War President".

Who would you rather base your decisions on, Blix or Chalabi? Remember, one is a convicted bank felon the other is a sicentist.

Every Bush supporter keeps trotting out the Oil for Food program and associated scandal. Never will you hear mention from a Bush supporter of the 8.8 Billion that vanished under Bremer's tenure. Bremer was far more productive at making Iraq's money disappear than Saddam Hussein.

No one at the Pentagon could be bothered to look at post invasion Iraq. All the glory missions were aissigned to planning the invasion. You know things are going according to plan when looting is so rampant, the wiring is stripped out of buildings.

Rumsfeld made some remark about how looting was a good sign. Heck, even the socalled WMD sites like Al Tuwaitha were looted down to the building foundations.

Yes, being anti-Iraq invasion/war is closely associated with being anti-Bush. It is also anti-Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Chalabi, Perle, Kristol, Rice, Feith, et al ad nauseum.
War waged by the United States should be won, not lost in a slow agaonizing process that we witness day after day, month after month, year after year.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur
The protestors protesting the anti-war protestors

:laugh:

Wow, way to cherry pick photos. I've seen setup photos for the anti-whatever rally yesterday that show the same thing - setup.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Is there really a need to actively protest this war in the streets? In all respects the Dub's Military Adventurism is effectively hamstrung due to the disaproval of this ill conceived and ill advised "Excellent Adventure" in Iraq by the majority of the American Public.

Well if public sentiment were half as bad as some polls suggest and the extreme left would quote, there would be lots of public protesting of the Iraq war in our city streets. But there isn't. I wonder why?

Alas, the liberals would like to compare Iraq to Vietnam. During Vietnam street protests were as common as cheap hookers in NY. I fail to see any resemblance, either in that particular area or (for that matter) anywhere else.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur
Darn hippies

True colors?

Gotta love these "anti-whatever" protesters

What a message!

Such rational and kind people we have here

"anti-war"?

right on message :roll:

Oh really?

Ah, there it is - the real colors.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Being anti-Iraq war is being anti-Bush. Bush likes to call himself the "War President".

The common liberal mistake.

There are (believe it or not) Bush supporters who are against the war in Iraq. And have been from day one. That doesn't make them anti-Bush now, does it? Liberals have a habit of throwing everything together like that.

Who would you rather base your decisions on, Blix or Chalabi? Remember, one is a convicted bank felon the other is a sicentist.

And the other ought to be a convicted felon as well. So I'll say neither.

Every Bush supporter keeps trotting out the Oil for Food program and associated scandal. Never will you hear mention from a Bush supporter of the 8.8 Billion that vanished under Bremer's tenure. Bremer was far more productive at making Iraq's money disappear than Saddam Hussein.

ROFLMAO. You are going to push the OFF scandal off on Bremer? Get a grip. OFF was corrupt long before Bremer. Wait, I suppose Bremer was the one sending those $30K checks to suicide bombers' families for their "service" ...

No one at the Pentagon could be bothered to look at post invasion Iraq. All the glory missions were aissigned to planning the invasion. You know things are going according to plan when looting is so rampant, the wiring is stripped out of buildings.

So now looting is the measure of success (or lack of it) in Iraq? I'd like some of those pills you've been taking.

Rumsfeld made some remark about how looting was a good sign. Heck, even the socalled WMD sites like Al Tuwaitha were looted down to the building foundations.

Your point?

Yes, being anti-Iraq invasion/war is closely associated with being anti-Bush. It is also anti-Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Chalabi, Perle, Kristol, Rice, Feith, et al ad nauseum.
War waged by the United States should be won, not lost in a slow agaonizing process that we witness day after day, month after month, year after year.

Wrong again. You just can't seem to understand that not everyone who supports the war is Pro-Bush nor vice versa.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: conjur
The protestors protesting the anti-war protestors

:laugh:

Wow, way to cherry pick photos. I've seen setup photos for the anti-whatever rally yesterday that show the same thing - setup.

Hey, NoSmirk, even CNN was saying only a few hundred pro-war supporters vs. the hundreds of thousands of anti-war protesters.

BTW, seen any opinion polls lately?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Wrong again. You just can't seem to understand that not everyone who supports the war is Pro-Bush nor vice versa.

Yeah, there are just SO many anti-Bush, pro-war people.


:roll:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah, there are just SO many anti-Bush, pro-war people.:roll:

Believe it or not, some people have other concerns besides Iraq. Get a clue. And a grip.

And (believe it or not) they don't all spend 24/7 behind their keyboard spewing propaganda material on internet message boards, like yourself.