Well you can probably get a pontiac aztek for like 500 bucks, both designers thought 2 toned paint and a silly grill would cover up the ugly.
look at used i3 prices. I got mine fully maxed options with 7000 miles for 14k. Seems to be an incredible deal.
Well you can probably get a pontiac aztek for like 500 bucks, both designers thought 2 toned paint and a silly grill would cover up the ugly.
look at used i3 prices. I got mine fully maxed options with 7000 miles for 14k. Seems to be an incredible deal.
Not doubting deals happen, but right now, just did a search. For a used 2015 i3 with 45K miles, it is 19K. I have two to pick from. I have get a used leaf for 8K with half the miles.
The repair infrastructure needs work.
If you mean parts availability? 100% agree. If you mean getting a car fixed at a service center? I somehow knocked the brake pad clips off when rotating my tires. Tesla fixed for free and did it with a Mobile Service Technician. They came to my house and replaced all four brake pads for free.
I love the mobile tech system. Don't have to sit at a dealership. I hope I never get a service center in my area. Currently I am 3ish hours away from one. I would rather have mobile tech all day every day.
For major work, once a month, Tesla rents a stall at a local place where they can raise the car and do more complicated work.
Never having to go to a dealership for service amazing in my book.
Thats awesome for a low volume provider. We are talking about the transition to $35k cars.
“Tesla has made inroads, but now I believe we are approaching a turning point. In coming years we will see more widespread adoption as volume producers including General Motors, Nissan, and VW join with premium brands like Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes-Benz, and Porsche to launch numerous battery-only models. As more Americans experience the instant power and sporty handling that electric cars provide, more will want this new generation of electric vehicles.”
https://electrek.co/2019/06/18/porsche-ceo-props-tesla-evs-coming-us/
get ready tesla.
Do some research on the i3. Its pretty remarkable.
I have an i3. 80 miles range. Its a perfect city car and the build quality is so far beyond teslas build quality its in a different universe.
You say this but ignore why it is possible (it isn't just the volume of cars sold). The cars need almost zero maintenance. There is less demand on the "service departments". You want to say they can't keep this up. I don't see why they can't.
When VW and everyone else starts making decent EVs, the demand on their service departments is going to take a massive hit which is why the dealership model is eventually going to fail. The independent dealership model works because the service department is a money maker, primarily on routine maintenance. That money is getting ready to dry up.
Again, I ask you, with what batteries? Show me the battery manufacturing capability. The only company that has really started that work is VW and they haven't made any progress on it.
And I assume you will also dismiss that Tesla is probably 5 years ahead of everyone else on battery tech.
There's a reason you got it so cheap. That car is 45k+ new while being ugly and worse than a Tesla in just about every measurable way. What other research am I supposed to do?
Do you look a lot like Larry David?
For daily drivers, u can’t beat an electric car. With range anxiety all but obsolete (in-and-around town), the ease of charging and driving makes my wife consider she will never go back to ICE. Couple that with minimal maintenance (no oil changes, significantly less things to break, etc.), I fully support it.
But for weekend cars, the line is a bit more broad. I miss rowing when driving my wife’s car (not in traffic, though!), not to mention, there’s something to be said about the cacophony of sound from a powerful, high-revving combustion engine. So I prefer ICE’s to a mountain run; and no - never bring an EV to a track. Maybe a drag race, but not an extended, technical race course.
So I also believe EVs are the future, as is, sadly enough - the phasing out of manual transmissions by everyone except a few die hards (Italian exotic car-makers, where art thou?!?). But there is a market, albeit dwindling - for loud, inefficient, and manually-intensive ICE cars. I count myself solidly straddling both...
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Tesla is a real car company. Lets not discount thier accomplishments. Their main problem is thinking they can do everything better then the rest when it was really just the batteries that they could do better. Everything else is 150 years of know how. You cant throw that away.
My point is they really cant expand beyond where they are. Those service pop ups look like zoos with 50 cars there. No dealer network makes buying used cars hard. The manufacturing problems are real because they want to ramp up to the volume but they needed help.
I would not want to own that stock now.
I wish ATOT had a remind feature. I would love to come back in two years to discuss further. I think you are dead wrong. But to each their own.
really spend 2 hours of your life watching those if you care.
The reason I think you are wrong is that fixing manufacturing issues comes with time. Tesla has improved with every single vehicle.
You admit that Tesla can make batteries. I go further, they are at least 5 years ahead of everyone else. And that gap is likely getting ready to get even bigger if the maxwell purchase pays off which there is zero reason not to think it won't. Maxwell is going to greatly reduce the amount of floor space it takes Tesla to make batteries by at least 10x.
So Tesla has solved the hardest problems. Motors (their motors are so much better than all others right now) and batteries. And they are SO far ahead of everyone else. Audi comes out with a vehicle that doesn't even match the 2012 model S in range. That is sad, and there is nothing Audi can do because they aren't experts at batteries.
The only way the traditional car companies catch up is if some company comes out of the blue with a new technology that is better than LI-ON batteries. That is absolutely possible. But guess what? It isn't the existing car companies that are going to do it......
So their chance is hoping to buy someone who can solve batteries for them.
I guess you arent gonna watch those videos then.
JSt0rm said:dude. the car companies arent making batteries. LG and Samsung are making batteries for the auto industry.
I had already seen the model 3 one. So good job thinking you are the only person who has gone on youtube and watched videos.
And that is the whole damn point. They are not optimizing for car companies. They aren't hyper focused on car companies. Car companies aren't the priority.
To drive that home, VW has already stated they need to make their own batteries because of the above issues. They are just so far behind the 8-ball I don't see how they catch up. If it wasn't important to make your own batteries, why is VW investing so much money TRYING to catch up.
Munro "had grown up" on old's world engineering. I do think he has a good heart, but also I think his skill set is not there to appreciate the level of Tesla's engineering.
For those interested in seeing some of the more detail Model 3 stuff, look here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Ingineerix/videos
His drive unit videos are truly great. The guy knows this stuff.
When you really think about it, Tesla's don't have anything to do with ICE cars except wheels and chairs.