random drug tests OK'ed by supreme court

[jjones]

More pissing into the wind with the War on Drugs. More treating the symptoms and not the disease. It's ironic they are taking away money from the one thing that will truly fight drug use: education.

The War on Drugs is a farce. Until the leaders of this country decide to face the facts of drug use and begin to spend the money to educate our children against drug use, it's all a waste of time and money.

And from what I can tell by these standards, our last two Presidents should never have taken office.

 

[HellRaiserandBeerDrinker]

I'm gonna be a camera tech in that wonderful new somner world





ewwwwwwwwww

 

[jkoXP]

i think that is a good idea, whats wrong with keeping the kids in HS safe and drug free?

 

[Aceman]

Yeah, didn't that end in the 60's? I never had to take communal showers in high-school either, thank god.

Nope, still around in the late 80s as I showered in a cummunal shower throughout highschool. Jeezus, I'd rather take a shower after gym and hope my pee-pee was as big or bigger than the other guys over worrying over the body odor I had when I came accross Mary Jane Rottencrotch in the hall!

 

[Cyberian]

Aceman -

Naw, I'd say more parents are more upset with the costs of the "administrations" in the school than they would be over the costs of drug tests. I've argued with the schools up here lately over the waste of money on administrative positions. They have a Diector of Time Out at the neighborhood school. WTF? Drug tests will probably be nicely concealed in those administrative fees parents pay for their kids to play football or play in the band.

Are there now fees associated with football/band/other after school extracurricular activities?
I have been out of school for longer than I care to think about, but i think that all these activities used to be covered in the school budget.

 

[Aceman]

Cyberian,
YES! They now have fees associated with sports and music programs. I paid $40-$50 last year for fees to allow my son to play 7th grade football. And to boot the schools no longer offer any type of health insurance to cover any injuries that occur on the field.

 

[LordMaul]

Good.

If I were still there and was asked, I'd be glad to comply.

Drugs are bad, mmkay...

 

[thraashman]

I say this is good. It's the price you pay for participating in an extracurricular activity. If you don't like it, then either don't do drugs or don't participate in extracurricular activities.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jkoXP
i think that is a good idea, whats wrong with keeping the kids in HS safe and drug free?

Nothing wrong with that. But there is something wrong with violating thier constitutional rights to achive that goal. If you read the 4th amendment I can't see how anyone can argue this is constitutional logically.

I would like a well thought out arguement how this does'nt violate thier rights?

 

[Zebo]

ACLU is also understandably disppointed by this decision:

"Every available study demonstrates that the single best way to prevent drug use among students is to engage them in extra-curricular activities"The Court has now endorsed school policies setting up barriers to these positive activities, which is dangerous both for the Constitution and safety of America's children,"

"If drug testing now becomes a rite of passage for an entire generation of students, the door will be cracked open wider to the government's inevitable demands for DNA, medical records, financial information and other personal data," Boyd said.

and <<Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's ruling, school districts around the country have rejected drug testing. Just last night, a school district in Dublin, Ohio repealed its two-year drug-testing program for student athletes, citing mixed reviews about its effectiveness. >>>
Position paper <good read>

 

[HellRaiserandBeerDrinker]

I love irony

he-he

 

[Amused]

Hey folks!

Here's a fun exercise:

I'm libertarian... guess my opinion on this

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: gigapet
invasion of privacy ..............f that ish total bullsh!t

glad i'm not in highschool

so i wuoldnt be subjected to such humiliation

then dont go to public schools. It's a free education(not considering taxes). If you so adament against it, send your kids to private schools.

most people dont have the luxury of being able to afford private schools

then they should not have the luxury of being able to afford drugs, yeah? Obviously they are paying for them somehow.

EXACTLY! And why do you NEED to do drugs anyway? I personally wouldn't wanna hire a drug addict, and stopping the problem in school should reduce the overall problem. Nobody forces you to do drugs / be an idiot.

 

[handoverfist]

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
If a person wants to smoke weed or drop acid on their own time in the privacy of their home, that's none of the govt's damn business.

I agree with your statement, That's all fine and dandy but that's not the way it works..... what happens when your local busdriver or even a 747 pilot decides they wanna blow some smoke or drop a tab before work?

 

[IGBT]

The one aspect left out of the arguments out here is the fact that drug testing is a "growth industry" working hand in hand with the "rehab industry". Lots of big bucks pushing hard for expansion at every oppertunity with court approval. Rest assured...there's a drug test waiting for all of us out there.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: IGBT
The one aspect left out of the arguments out here is the fact that drug testing is a "growth industry" working hand in hand with the "rehab industry". Lots of big bucks pushing hard for expansion at every oppertunity with court approval. Rest assured...there's a drug test waiting for all of us out there.

Sh1t they better not grow to fast! The prison unions and law enforcement seizurs/bugets will suffer from all these people who are now clean. NOT

 

[Aceman]

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I agree with your statement, That's all fine and dandy but that's not the way it works..... what happens when your local busdriver or even a 747 pilot decides they wanna blow some smoke or drop a tab before work?

And to add to that.....It's none of the government's business if that person or babysitter who happens to smoke weed or drop acid in their home while the kids are downstairs being completely neglected? I'm definitely not a person who believes that the government should tell us how to raise our kids in our own home but when it comes to neglecting children due to blantant illegal activity that's a whole different story.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Aceman
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Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
If a person wants to smoke weed or drop acid on their own time in the privacy of their home, that's none of the govt's damn business.
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I agree with your statement, That's all fine and dandy but that's not the way it works..... what happens when your local busdriver or even a 747 pilot decides they wanna blow some smoke or drop a tab before work?

And to add to that.....It's none of the government's business if that person or babysitter who happens to smoke weed or drop acid in their home while the kids are downstairs being completely neglected? I'm definitely not a person who believes that the government should tell us how to raise our kids in our own home but when it comes to neglecting children due to blantant illegal activity that's a whole different story.

My oipinion on this:

The Forth Amendment is there to protect us from government intrusions into privacy. It is not there to prevent companies from making drug testing a requirement of the job they are offering.

 

[Zebo]

My oipinion on this:

The Forth Amendment is there to protect us from government intrusions into privacy. It is not there to prevent companies from making drug testing a requirement of the job they are offering.

Hehe

And how bout the goverment? Or more poinently the military?

 

[MacBaine]

my kid is never your bizness unless he is specifically pushing drugs on your kid and you will not deal with my kid u will deal with me i will deal with my kid.

I hope to god, along with everyone else here, that you don't have kids. Since you seem to be at the same maturity level of a 15 year old AOL kid, I seriously doubt you do. God help us.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

My oipinion on this:

The Forth Amendment is there to protect us from government intrusions into privacy. It is not there to prevent companies from making drug testing a requirement of the job they are offering.

Hehe

And how bout the goverment? Or more poinently the military?

When they hire you, it's just like any other job. If the job requires you to test, you sign the agreement to test or don't get the job.

 

[F117NightHawk]

Originally posted by: handoverfist<br
I agree with your statement, That's all fine and dandy but that's not the way it works..... what happens when your local busdriver or even a 747 pilot decides they wanna blow some smoke or drop a tab before work?

That's different. If you're in a position of responsibility such as a bus driver, you should be willing to submit to drug testing. Bus drivers are responsible for their passengers' safety. But high school students are there against their will and are not responsible for someone else's life, so they shouldn't be accountable to the school for what they do on their own time.

 

[Unicron80]

Maybe this has been brought up before, but I did not read through every word (just skimmed)

We are so worked up about drugs in the workplace, schools, military, etc...does an alchohol problem not exist anymore? I don't know about you all, but 90% of the problem kids/coworkers I have ever known spent most of their time in a drunken stupor. How many people do you ever read about getting ran over by a "stoned" or "high" driver? How many of high school kids have a drink as opposed to do drugs?

But no, we have no "drink test" aside from the breathalyzer (which can only detect for a few hours after drinking and doesn't remain in the system) and can't (very cheaply or reliably) detect the hardest of drugs, so we attack the social, least harmful drugs that a number of good kids turn to because (who knew?) they feel alienated by the prison state of their schools/family/workplace.

When we focus on this recreational drugs, even though they are illegal, they are nowhere near the top of the list when it comes to big problems our kids have today. I guess most teens are doping up and not getting eachother pregnant.

Or, maybe we can take the money we would spend on these drug tests and pay teachers more or hire more to (gasp) teach kids instead of worrying about extra curricular activities. Last time I checked, curricular activities were supposed to be more important.

But, we have an epidemic on our hands! A war to win! Let's tear up the fourth amendment so, by God, we can finally win this War on Drugs!


Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

 

[Unicron80]

Carbonyl, I agree with you that this does violate the fourth amendment.

BUT

In the early nineties, while the court was chipping away at the Fourth, someone asked how they were allowed to do this. The reply was something to the effect of "During war, some rights may be suspended for the duration of the war." So the Drug War we fight now is literal. It is no metaphor. Until we win the War on Drugs, our rights are fair game.

No prisoners! War on Drugs = Civil War = Class War = Race War

Did you know Blacks constitute 15% of drug users, but 45% of the convicted drug offenders?

 

[Night201]

I'd shoot, but not to kill...just to do harm and to keep myself and others safe. Shoot a kneecap for example...assuming you have time to aim.

Sorry, wrong thread