Rant: Generation Y: Please stop lying on your resumes

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shortylickens

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If you want more of my thoughts read The Self Esteem Trap. The first third of the book talks about all that shit.
 

timosyy

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I am a network manager and I basic question I ask of entry level network techs is "What is the CIDR mask of /22 when represented as a subnet mask?

Funny. I know basically nothing about networks and don't work with networks but I could answer that. Remember it from a networks training class I had to take during my new-hire orientation phase, cause I thought the field was interesting at the time (I still do, and might look into going into it later). Could tell you/explain how I got to the answer too.

Wonder if I could bullshit my way through your interview :hmm: . Useless though cause I feel like in IT it's pretty evident when people don't know what they're doing. The first time you asked me to do anything besides recall trivia I'd be fired :awe:
 
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Red Dawn

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Then they tell us we're fucked up and lost and useless.
Well in your case they were right. On the other hand there are plenty of your generation that are doing great and aren't whining about how they were given a raw deal. Maybe if you stopped being a little whiny bitch you might be alright.
 

shortylickens

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Well in your case they were right. On the other hand there are plenty of your generation that are doing great and aren't whining about how they were given a raw deal. Maybe if you stopped being a little whiny bitch you might be alright.

Quoted so you cant change it later.
Maybe I need to take a screenie too, for some reason posts like this are known to completely disappear.
 

Pshawn5

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the worst of this was during our last round of hiring. we had one guy come in saying he has java and C++ experience under his skill set on his resume. so during the interview, we asked so what have you done in java or C++, expecting his answer to be some class he took or something... nope... his answer was he read about it on wikipedia and since he did that he felt he had the knowledge to put it on his resume. after his answer, we all just looked at each other like wtf?!
 

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It ain't easy being an X/Y'er.

Boomers took away our pensions so now we are fighting with 401k's and the vesting schedules for that.

Social security might as well be dead by the time we get around to cashing in.

We have been told that we need college educations to succeed by our parents and teachers and go into debt up to our eyeballs for a piece of paper only to find that jobs are incredibly hard to come by.

And when we do get a job there's no real guarantee that we'll keep it because the boomers and their demand for profits to keep their retirement portfolio looking good make it easier to lay off a bunch of low income grunts than some middle manager making 3x that of his underlings.

Lots of people in their 20's and 30's walked into a stacked deck that wasn't in their favor. Luckily some of us have some sense of work ethic instilled from our parents that gets us through most of the challenges, but it's an uphill battle.
 

Phokus

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It ain't easy being an X/Y'er.

Boomers took away our pensions so now we are fighting with 401k's and the vesting schedules for that.

Social security might as well be dead by the time we get around to cashing in.

We have been told that we need college educations to succeed by our parents and teachers and go into debt up to our eyeballs for a piece of paper only to find that jobs are incredibly hard to come by.

And when we do get a job there's no real guarantee that we'll keep it because the boomers and their demand for profits to keep their retirement portfolio looking good make it easier to lay off a bunch of low income grunts than some middle manager making 3x that of his underlings.

Lots of people in their 20's and 30's walked into a stacked deck that wasn't in their favor. Luckily some of us have some sense of work ethic instilled from our parents that gets us through most of the challenges, but it's an uphill battle.

Yep, our generation got FUCKED by the boomer generation. They're the ones shipping our jobs away. Greedy little fucks cry about taxes but at the same time would revolt if their social security/medicare got taken away.
 

JMapleton

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Yep, our generation got FUCKED by the boomer generation. They're the ones shipping our jobs away. Greedy little fucks cry about taxes but at the same time would revolt if their social security/medicare got taken away.

The baby boomer generation is/was one of the most destructive generations of people that ever lived.

They have devastated us financially. They have ruined the political environment and turned it into a circus. They have destroyed the environment with their giant houses and SUVs and desire for cheaply made goods from China.
 

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They have destroyed the environment with their giant houses and SUVs and desire for cheaply made goods from China.

Eh. I think that's just as much of an issue with X/Y as it is the boomers. McMansions and SUV's are more of a Gen Y driven with a trickel down to X effect than anything done by the boomers. It's the boomers that are the developers and peddlers. X & Y are the consumers.
 

JMapleton

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Eh. I think that's just as much of an issue with X/Y as it is the boomers. McMansions and SUV's are more of a Gen Y driven with a trickel down to X effect than anything done by the boomers. It's the boomers that are the developers and peddlers. X & Y are the consumers.

Are you kidding? The SUV boom started in the mid 1990s, Generation Y was still in elementary school and Generation X was in their 20s, they couldn't afford McMansions or SUVs.

Who is driving these Chevy Suburbans and Escalades? It's not people born in 1975 or 1980. These are people born in the 50s and 60s. Generation X is now jsut getting it's feet wet with the McMansion and SUVs.
 
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AreaCode707

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Eh. I think that's just as much of an issue with X/Y as it is the boomers. McMansions and SUV's are more of a Gen Y driven with a trickel down to X effect than anything done by the boomers. It's the boomers that are the developers and peddlers. X & Y are the consumers.

I dunno, I only know one person under the age of 35 that's bought a car new from the dealership, but almost everyone I know over 40 bought their car new regardless of their financial state. I know a lot of X and Y people that share houses or rent, even when they can afford a home, but I see a lot of Boomers struggling to stay in oversized houses they couldn't afford in the first place.

Anecdotal but I think there's something to be said for Boomers (and somewhat X) to be more consumer-driven than gen Y. Y has already been through two bubble bursts at critical development times (late highschool/early college .com bust and late college/post college real estate bust) and I think that's really affected our views on spending, saving and lifestyle.
 

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Are you kidding? The SUV boom started in the mid 1990s, Generation Y was still in elementary school and Generation X was in their 20s, they couldn't afford McMansions or SUVs.

Started is one thing....but X really embraced the concept and took it to a whole new level.
 

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I dunno, I only know one person under the age of 35 that's bought a car new from the dealership, but almost everyone I know over 40 bought their car new regardless of their financial state. I know a lot of X and Y people that share houses or rent, even when they can afford a home, but I see a lot of Boomers struggling to stay in oversized houses they couldn't afford in the first place.

And my experience is completely opposite. I'm 32 and almost every person I know within a few years of me has bought at least one new car if not several. And many of us have owned new construction houses.
 

Slew Foot

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The baby boomer generation is/was one of the most destructive generations of people that ever lived.

They have devastated us financially. They have ruined the political environment and turned it into a circus. They have destroyed the environment with their giant houses and SUVs and desire for cheaply made goods from China.


The boomers took all the goodwill generated by the greatest generation and smoked it away in the 60s. Now they're like spoiled little children who demand all their entitlements because they were too stupid to save any of their money when they were working.
 

AreaCode707

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And my experience is completely opposite. I'm 32 and almost every person I know within a few years of me has bought at least one new car if not several. And many of us have owned new construction houses.

And therein lies the flaw with both our sets of anecdotal evidence.

[edit] Hey, I found data!
http://www.bls.gov/cex/2009/share/age.pdf

Reading through it now to see what it says.
 
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JMapleton

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The boomers took all the goodwill generated by the greatest generation and smoked it away in the 60s. Now they're like spoiled little children who demand all their entitlements because they were too stupid to save any of their money when they were working.

I do have some issue with that generation as well. They have done a lot of good for society, but there was a lot about that supposed "greatest generation" that I think was really screwed up.

They brought us McCarthyism, Socialism of the 60s, restrictions on free speech in the 50s, racism in the 50s and 60s, etc. People back in those days also had very little ambition and were not very well traveled or learned culturally.

I respect their accomplishments, especially their war heroism, but I refuse to call them the "greatest generation."
 

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And therein lies the flaw with both our sets of anecdotal evidence.

I just have to wonder how much of that is due to regional cost of living. I base my opinions on living in IA, central IL, AZ(pre-bubble), and NE. All of these are/were high value COL areas where homes were much more in line with incomes.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I do have some issue with that generation as well. They have done a lot of good for society, but there was a lot about that supposed "greatest generation" that I think was really screwed up.

They brought us McCarthyism, Socialism of the 60s, restrictions on free speech in the 50s, racism in the 50s and 60s, etc. People back in those days also had very little ambition and were not very well traveled or learned culturally.

I respect their accomplishments, especially their war heroism, but I refuse to call them the "greatest generation."

The greatest generation didn't bring that. That was what FDR's generation forced upon them, and they just bent over.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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This one kid came in and interviewed with us. He was something else.

Acted as if he was teaching us everything he was talking about like we had never heard about it our lives. Would MAYBE have been acceptable if he actually knew what he was talking about, but he didn't have a clue. The guy literally just through random ideas together and was so pie in the sky that nobody could follow him.

It's really been hit or miss for us lately. We haven't really had a candidate that was somewhere in the middle.
 

AreaCode707

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I just have to wonder how much of that is due to regional cost of living. I base my opinions on living in IA, central IL, AZ(pre-bubble), and NE. All of these are/were high value COL areas where homes were much more in line with incomes.

So based on this:
http://www.bls.gov/cex/2009/share/age.pdf

25-34 average salary before taxes: $58,946
55-64 average salary before taxes: $70,609

People 25-34 are spending 2.3% of income on new cars and 3.6% on used cars.
People 55-64 are spending 3.1% of income on new cars and 2.0% on used cars.

25-34
Homeowner with mortgage: 10%
Homeowner without mortgage: 4%
Renter: 86%

55-64
Homeowner with mortgage: 47%
Homeowner without mortgage: 34%
Renter: 19%

Entertainment for 25-34: 4.4% of income
Entertainment for 55-64: 5.5% of income

I'd still argue that Boomers outspend the Xers, both in actual dollars and in percentages of their income. You can pull data from the same source to argue though (eating out, alcohol, etc.)
 

AreaCode707

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This one kid came in and interviewed with us. He was something else.

Acted as if he was teaching us everything he was talking about like we had never heard about it our lives. Would MAYBE have been acceptable if he actually knew what he was talking about, but he didn't have a clue. The guy literally just through random ideas together and was so pie in the sky that nobody could follow him.

It's really been hit or miss for us lately. We haven't really had a candidate that was somewhere in the middle.
We rejected a roommate we were interviewing because he told us about an attitude like that. He was jobless, just graduated from Digipen, and refused a job offer because, "the recruiter was supposed to call me sometime Monday but he called me Tuesday and said he was sorry he was too busy to call. I'm not working for anyone who disrespects me like that!"

We predicted he'd be jobless for quite a while.
 

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I'd still argue that Boomers outspend the Xers, both in actual dollars and in percentages of their income. You can pull data from the same source to argue though (eating out, alcohol, etc

Boomers also don't have daycare costs which are a mortgage in themselves. My daughter cost me $1200 a month when she was an infant.

But boomers/really old x'ers could argue that about paying for their kid's college.
 

AreaCode707

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Boomers also don't have daycare costs which are a mortgage in themselves. My daughter cost me $1200 a month when she was an infant.

But boomers/really old x'ers could argue that about paying for their kid's college.

Good points. No argument there. The housing costs also tie into that argument because as you get older and have kids you can look at a mortgage as being cheaper than increasingly renting bigger places. Could be seen as financial responsibility rather than overspend.
 

thepd7

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my college would never, ever teach someone to write a 2 page resume.

(not saying they aren't used, but if you're in college you probably don't need a 2 page resume)

Agreed. 1 page is plenty.

Well you're probably the exception to the rule. You know, worked hard, paid his way through college and understands that his life and career is what he makes of it. There's a lot of you like this out there. It just seems as the generations go on including mine more and more think they are entitled to success just because as is demonstrated in this forum daily. For every Anand there are hundreds of Tridents.

We rejected a roommate we were interviewing because he told us about an attitude like that. He was jobless, just graduated from Digipen, and refused a job offer because, "the recruiter was supposed to call me sometime Monday but he called me Tuesday and said he was sorry he was too busy to call. I'm not working for anyone who disrespects me like that!"

We predicted he'd be jobless for quite a while.

Yep, my generation (I'm 25 so whatever that is) for some reason feels entitled to nice things. I worked my ass off to get a full ride to college (state school) and drove beaters for years. I really don't get it. I feel blessed to be where I am but I see people in the same stage in life, similar job/salary griping because they don't make $100k at 25.

It's maddening.
 
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