Rap: Is it Music?

[dew042]

well - folks who know more about music that most y'all posers tend to believe that RAP IS MUSIC.... in fact "The Message" by GMF and the furious five was just inducted as one the 50 most important songs of american history. But what does the National Recording registry really know - I mean its just their job?

Don't push me, cause I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to loose my head
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under

and franky - shame on you folks who believe and have implied that rap is the sum of major label/corporate radio offerings in our marketplace. that's bs. you don't deserve to have an ignorant opinion if you are unwilling to take a step out of your comfort zone to explore some very talented musicians like lauren hill, the fugees, wyclef jean, the roots, j5, black eyed peas, de la soul, run dmc, a tribe called quest, nas, etc, etc - all of whom are good, positive role models - certainly more so than you average hard rock band. the gulf between corporate offerings and the indy rap scene is huge.

there was a time when rock and roll was not music.

i tend to land on the indy rock side of things - but i am not so closed minded and bigoted to judge a very vibrant form of music based on the narrow selection that corporate america wishes you to digest.

 

[xeno2060]

Rap SUCKS, But it is music:disgust:

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: dew042
well - folks who know more about music that most y'all posers tend to believe that RAP IS MUSIC.... in fact "The Message" by GMF and the furious five was just inducted as one the 50 most important songs of american history. But what does the National Recording registry really know - I mean its just their job?

Don't push me, cause I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to loose my head
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under

and franky - shame on you folks who believe and have implied that rap is the sum of major label/corporate radio offerings in our marketplace. that's bs. you don't deserve to have an ignorant opinion if you are unwilling to take a step out of your comfort zone to explore some very talented musicians like lauren hill, the fugees, wyclef jean, the roots, j5, black eyed peas, de la soul, run dmc, a tribe called quest, nas, etc, etc - all of whom are good, positive role models - certainly more so than you average hard rock band. the gulf between corporate offerings and the indy rap scene is huge.

there was a time when rock and roll was not music.

i tend to land on the indy rock side of things - but i am not so closed minded and bigoted to judge a very vibrant form of music based on the narrow selection that corporate america wishes you to digest.

that was beautiful man, to bad more people don't think like you

 

[snidy]

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Rap music is someone making noises, banging on stuff, and making a general nuicence of themselves. It is not music and serves no real purpose except to generate business for the headache medicine companies. Same with rock music.

Music is whatever you like. Defined as: The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
Go to bed and listen to your Lawrence Welk

 

[KeyserSoze]

"What these b!tches want from a n***er"

I remember that DMX song, and that was soo popular. Yeah, definitely music to me.

But, to each his own. If you ask me, NO, it's not music.




KeyserSoze

 

[dew042]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
"What these b!tches want from a n***er"

I remember that DMX song, and that was soo popular. Yeah, definitely music to me.

But, to each his own. If you ask me, NO, it's not music.




KeyserSoze

as opposed to your 'trance' being music - i wouldn't be talking....

trance is soul-less and completely synthetic for the most part. not that i don't enjoy it, but it as a music form has many of the same objections against it as rap. moreover - a handful of performers who are not good does not make the artform intrinsically bad. popular does not mean good neccesarily.

you seem to really hypocrytical to me.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
"What these b!tches want from a n***er"

I remember that DMX song, and that was soo popular. Yeah, definitely music to me.

But, to each his own. If you ask me, NO, it's not music.




KeyserSoze

Why would you choose one song and then conclude all rap must sound like that? Thats like picking out Bin Laden and saying all muslims are violent america haters.

 

[zCypher]

Originally posted by: Dreadogg

Originally posted by: compudog
I wouldn't call it music. I believe it is an art-form though.

So is wackin your willy, some rap is good but most is ushally stolen beats or reproduced songs. Lots of the lyrics are about drugs, control, and dirty sex mostly forming from lack of sex respect. This is something you really do not want your kids listening to. I use to listen to hardcore rap music years back, groups such as wutang clan etc.. only use to make me crazy get into fights, do drugs have lots of sex with extreamy good looking women etc.. same with hard rock, punk rock whatever you want to call it really influences your way of thinking. Oh yea I still have lots of sex with a extreamy good looking women, just one though my crazy days are over now.

Yeah, rap makes you do bad things. :disgust:

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: zCypher

Originally posted by: Dreadogg

Originally posted by: compudog
I wouldn't call it music. I believe it is an art-form though.

So is wackin your willy, some rap is good but most is ushally stolen beats or reproduced songs. Lots of the lyrics are about drugs, control, and dirty sex mostly forming from lack of sex respect. This is something you really do not want your kids listening to. I use to listen to hardcore rap music years back, groups such as wutang clan etc.. only use to make me crazy get into fights, do drugs have lots of sex with extreamy good looking women etc.. same with hard rock, punk rock whatever you want to call it really influences your way of thinking. Oh yea I still have lots of sex with a extreamy good looking women, just one though my crazy days are over now.

Yeah, rap makes you do bad things. :disgust:

Yah I know! What about the phrase "sex, drugs and rock and roll!"? As if rock and roll didn't have the same "messages"

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
"What these b!tches want from a n***er"

I remember that DMX song, and that was soo popular. Yeah, definitely music to me.

But, to each his own. If you ask me, NO, it's not music.




KeyserSoze

Why would you choose one song and then conclude all rap must sound like that? Thats like picking out Bin Laden and saying all muslims are violent america haters.

Well said.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Saying that rap is music is like calling Courtney Love a nice wholesome girl you'd like to take home to meet Mom.

The ONLY part of rap which can be considered music is the blatantly copied samples which are stolen from legitimate bands/singers who can actually create music and carry a tune. The vast majority of rap can be considered noise and nothing more (especially when that it's all I hear from the chromed-out civic behind me when stopped at a traffic light, with my windows rolled up and my stereo on).

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: PullMyFinger
Saying that rap is music is like calling Courtney Love a nice wholesome girl you'd like to take home to meet Mom.

The ONLY part of rap which can be considered music is the blatantly copied samples which are stolen from legitimate bands/singers who can actually create music and carry a tune. The vast majority of rap can be considered noise and nothing more (especially when that it's all I hear from the chromed-out civic behind me when stopped at a traffic light, with my windows rolled up and my stereo on).

What a convincing argument! I better stop listening to rap.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: PullMyFinger
Saying that rap is music is like calling Courtney Love a nice wholesome girl you'd like to take home to meet Mom.

The ONLY part of rap which can be considered music is the blatantly copied samples which are stolen from legitimate bands/singers who can actually create music and carry a tune. The vast majority of rap can be considered noise and nothing more (especially when that it's all I hear from the chromed-out civic behind me when stopped at a traffic light, with my windows rolled up and my stereo on).

What a convincing argument! I better stop listening to rap.

No, you go ahead and keep listening to rap, maybe it will inspire you to actually present an original thought rather than just copy what someone else says and put a

on it. Wait a minute, I'm detecting a trend here. Yep, that sounds exactly like what a bunch of the rap "artists" do.

If I read correctly, your most interesting argument was "Are you a retard? .... Making beats is just as difficult as using your thumb on some strings." You know what, this just may be true. It's just as difficult as playing a string instrument if you only play one note over and over again on the strings! We now know who has never learned to play an instrument.

And even hinting that a turntable can be considered a viable instrument is absolutely laughable. That line of reasoning only reinforces my original comment about stealing from other sources in order to make so-called music, ie stealing the sounds which are already present on the album.

MY argument is that there is no difference between the majority of rap "songs" and someone reading (bad) poetry while music plays in the back ground.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of other forms of "sound" which I don't believe qualify as music, not just (c)rap, but that's another thread.

 

[radioouman]

You can't spell crap without rap.

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

Music:

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.

A musical composition.
The written or printed score for such a composition.
Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano.
A musical accompaniment.
A particular category or kind of music.
An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines.


Rap:

Slang. A talk, conversation, or discussion.

A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.
A composition or performance of such music.
[Middle English, from Old French musique, from Latin msica, from Greek mousik (tekhn), (art) of the Muses, feminine of mousikos, of the Muses, from Mousa, Muse. See men-1 in Indo-European Roots.]







All Songs are music, Not all music are songs
All Rap is music, Not all music is rap
All Trance is music, Not all music is trance
All classical is music, Not all music is classical

Just like all Squares are Rectangles, and all Rectangles are Parallelograms, But not all parallelograms are rectangles nor are all rectangles squares



My definition of Music: Waves Of Sounds That I like, And will probably get jiggle wid it.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: PullMyFinger

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: PullMyFinger
Saying that rap is music is like calling Courtney Love a nice wholesome girl you'd like to take home to meet Mom.

The ONLY part of rap which can be considered music is the blatantly copied samples which are stolen from legitimate bands/singers who can actually create music and carry a tune. The vast majority of rap can be considered noise and nothing more (especially when that it's all I hear from the chromed-out civic behind me when stopped at a traffic light, with my windows rolled up and my stereo on).

What a convincing argument! I better stop listening to rap.

No, you go ahead and keep listening to rap, maybe it will inspire you to actually present an original thought rather than just copy what someone else says and put a

on it. Wait a minute, I'm detecting a trend here. Yep, that sounds exactly like what a bunch of the rap "artists" do.

If I read correctly, your most interesting argument was "Are you a retard? .... Making beats is just as difficult as using your thumb on some strings." You know what, this just may be true. It's just as difficult as playing a string instrument if you only play one note over and over again on the strings! We now know who has never learned to play an instrument.

And even hinting that a turntable can be considered a viable instrument is absolutely laughable. That line of reasoning only reinforces my original comment about stealing from other sources in order to make so-called music, ie stealing the sounds which are already present on the album.

MY argument is that there is no difference between the majority of rap "songs" and someone reading (bad) poetry while music plays in the back ground.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of other forms of "sound" which I don't believe qualify as music, not just (c)rap, but that's another thread.

So you think every rap artist samples? Name me all of the artists you know that sample? It isn't nearly as many as you imply. Yes, there are artists that sample because they like the beat and want to work with it. What is wrong with that? They get permission from the original artist, it isn't like they are stealing it. How is it not originally if they are making a new song with using an old beat? They put a new twist on a song, I would say that it is being creative.

No, I never did learn to how to play an instrument properly, so what? Are you implying that people who use guitars never repeat what they are playing? They do the same thing that all artists do, make a beat/put some chords together with notes/play on the piano, and repeat. You also ignore the fact that many rap artists play the piano like normal artists ... why? To make beats. They use lots of instruments to get the sound down.

Oh, since you know about the "majority" of rap, please enlighten me on who does the reading of "bad poetry" and who doesn't. I guarentee you that you cant even list 1/10 of the people that I listen too. It is so nice to see that you can label a group of people you know nothing about. The fact that you imply everyone samples proves it.

 

[rh71]

Wow there are really some ignorant people amongst us...

 

[PullMyFinger]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: PullMyFinger

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: PullMyFinger
Saying that rap is music is like calling Courtney Love a nice wholesome girl you'd like to take home to meet Mom.

The ONLY part of rap which can be considered music is the blatantly copied samples which are stolen from legitimate bands/singers who can actually create music and carry a tune. The vast majority of rap can be considered noise and nothing more (especially when that it's all I hear from the chromed-out civic behind me when stopped at a traffic light, with my windows rolled up and my stereo on).

What a convincing argument! I better stop listening to rap.

No, you go ahead and keep listening to rap, maybe it will inspire you to actually present an original thought rather than just copy what someone else says and put a

on it. Wait a minute, I'm detecting a trend here. Yep, that sounds exactly like what a bunch of the rap "artists" do.

If I read correctly, your most interesting argument was "Are you a retard? .... Making beats is just as difficult as using your thumb on some strings." You know what, this just may be true. It's just as difficult as playing a string instrument if you only play one note over and over again on the strings! We now know who has never learned to play an instrument.

And even hinting that a turntable can be considered a viable instrument is absolutely laughable. That line of reasoning only reinforces my original comment about stealing from other sources in order to make so-called music, ie stealing the sounds which are already present on the album.

MY argument is that there is no difference between the majority of rap "songs" and someone reading (bad) poetry while music plays in the back ground.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of other forms of "sound" which I don't believe qualify as music, not just (c)rap, but that's another thread.

So you think every rap artist samples? Name me all of the artists you know that sample? It isn't nearly as many as you imply. Yes, there are artists that sample because they like the beat and want to work with it. What is wrong with that? They get permission from the original artist, it isn't like they are stealing it. How is it not originally if they are making a new song with using an old beat? They put a new twist on a song, I would say that it is being creative.

No, I never did learn to how to play an instrument properly, so what? Are you implying that people who use guitars never repeat what they are playing? They do the same thing that all artists do, make a beat/put some chords together with notes/play on the piano, and repeat. You also ignore the fact that many rap artists play the piano like normal artists ... why? To make beats. They use lots of instruments to get the sound down.

Oh, since you know about the "majority" of rap, please enlighten me on who does the reading of "bad poetry" and who doesn't. I guarentee you that you cant even list 1/10 of the people that I listen too. It is so nice to see that you can label a group of people you know nothing about. The fact that you imply everyone samples proves it.

Ok, regarding the "sampling" issue, explain to me why there are so many "artists" in the rap industry who sample or have sampled from other songs? Why do artists in nearly every other form of music not feel the need to sample? Also, by using someone else's work, a song cannot be original. It can be creative or unique, but not original.

And, since you never learned how to play an instrument properly, let me inform you that it is exponentially harder to learn how to play instruments which can produce tones as compared to just producing a rhythm. I was a percussionist for 14 years and believe me, when I was learning to read different notes, bars, chords, etc was significantly tougher than just using using my drum set to make/keep a beat.

I'll admit, I don't know much about these so called artists that you enjoy because I can't stand to listen to more than 4 seconds of "I was raised in da hood", "my brutha's.....", "I'm gonna go shoot someone", "I'm gonna get me some of dat big ass...", blah blah blah. Kinda the same way in which others have bashed rock and roll (party party party, fast cars, faster women, ...) and country (my dog died, my pickup died, my trailer got reposessed,...), it all sounds the same to me.

So in conclusion, I don't believe that rap, in an of itself is music. I believe it is merely a dialog with music accompaniment. If the dialog were to have tonal inflections which matched the music, ie singing (and not just back up singers), then I would agree that it was music.

 

[kmac1914]

Originally posted by: rh71
Wow there are really some ignorant people amongst us...

I wanna say I'm surprised by how many there are, but then this is ATOT...

 

[PullMyFinger]

Originally posted by: dahotboykj

Originally posted by: rh71
Wow there are really some ignorant people amongst us...

I wanna say I'm surprised by how many there are, but then this is ATOT...

Um, last time I checked, we had this thing called freedom of speech (and opinion). If you don't like it, get used to this phrase "Velkome to Russia, komrade".

 

[kami]

WHile I don't like rap/hip hop and find it uninspiring/unmotivating/bland/repetitive, I still consider it to be music

 

[Maleficus]

n0p3

 

[Stifko]

sure it is, they asked the same question of rock & roll when it first came out.

 

[dejitaru]

Rap is music, MTV is not.