They're responsible for the students. That's why they have security personnel. They need rules for the order, safety and welfare of the campus. They need criteria for evaluating when rules are broken, and penalties, independent of actual law enforcement. If they suspend students for underage drinking then why not rape?
I'm pretty sure the point of contention is that people are arguing that laying there and doing nothing equals consent. That's insane.
Of course, that isn't what happened here. What happened here is that a girl hooked up with a guy for 3 months, allowed him into her room, allowed him to lie down on her bed, changed into pajamas in front of him and crawled into bed with him, made a single statement about not wanting to have sex with him, and then proceeded to let him have sex with her.
Rape is a serious crime that should be handled by law enforcement. If a student reports a rape it should be handed over to the proper authorities who can make a determination if one occurred
If someone gets shot should the school be responsible for determining guilt?
the law says its a man's responsibility to get verbal consent for any sexual interaction.
They're not responsible for making final determination about whether students broke any state laws.
They're responsible for determining whether any campus rules or regs were broken.
They will obviously also turn them into the authorities if it's something violative of both, such as shooting someone or rape.
Since rape is hard to prosecute, the feds are pressuring the colleges to adopt lower standards for evaluating whether sexual misconduct was present, according to campus rules, not state law. They think if they can't get legal justice at least they can eliminate a potential threat.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36458772&postcount=598The difficulty of defining incapacitation and consent was underscored last week when Dean Wasilolek took the stand. Rachel B. Hitch, a Raleigh attorney representing McLeod, asked Wasiolek what would happen if two students got drunk to the point of incapacity, and then had sex.
"They have raped each other and are subject to explusion?" Hitch asked.
"Assuming it is a male and female, it is the responsibility in the case of the male to gain consent before proceeding with sex," said Wasiolek.
It does? If a girl walks up and kisses me and starts putting her hands inside my clothes, I have to make her verbally state her consent before I can engage in any sexual interaction?
Is it sexual assault to lean in to kiss a girl on a first date without first asking for permission? What about running a hand up her thigh or along her breasts?
I'm pretty sure the law only requires consent, which can be implied from things like an ongoing relationship, climbing into bed with someone, and even tiny actions like rolling onto one's back and/or spreading one's legs slightly while kind of just lying there.
So you agree that issues of consent are complicated.
So how exactly do you suggest that unclear issues be codified into law?
It does? If a girl walks up and kisses me and starts putting her hands inside my clothes, I have to make her verbally state her consent before I can engage in any sexual interaction?
Is it sexual assault to lean in to kiss a girl on a first date without first asking for permission? What about running a hand up her thigh or along her breasts?
I'm pretty sure the law only requires consent, which can be implied from things like an ongoing relationship, climbing into bed with someone, and even tiny actions like rolling onto one's back and/or spreading one's legs slightly while kind of just lying there.
In a court of law, the burden of proof in cases likes these is on the prosecution to prove that there was no consent.Pengoau, verbal consent can not be proven in a court of law. So even if you go to such lengths, your efforts will not count for anything.
are adjudicated by the schools themselves, with a lower standard of evidence than for criminal proceedings.
Let's also not judge people too hastily. Let's also not use verbs instead of possessive pronouns where appropriate.
Let's not forget that Pennsylvania reveres it's famed child rapist Jerry Sandusky and famed child rape facilitator and who knows, maybe a rapist and molester in his own right, Joe Paterno.
So we should take this rape law with a grain of salt, and not vindicate the man's actions in the Swarthmore incident too hastily.
Huh? I used the word correctly.
You ignore the substance of my post in order to point out, incorrectly, a grammatical error?
The fact of the matter is the Pennsylvania adores rape, specifically child rape, but also adult rape.
What planet are you living on anyways ?Perhaps because according to liberals women are all retards?
What planet are you living on anyways ?
The one where this thread happened. Where multiple liberals claimed a woman would rather be viciously raped than *gasp* say no a second time.
Doesn't seem like a very positive opinion of women to me.
You haven't gone and fucked yourself, but your really ought to get on with it.
You've trolled these boards long enough.
The one where this thread happened. Where multiple liberals claimed a woman would rather be viciously raped than *gasp* say no a second time.
Doesn't seem like a very positive opinion of women to me.
Isn't the far more likely answer that liberals think women are just fine and instead we think that you're the retarded one?
It's your mental illness and inability to grasp basic logic that leads you to these retarded conclusions.
Pointing out the logical result of what you say isn't "trolling".
If you are saying that women would rather be viciously raped than *gasp* say no a second time to make their intent clear; after engaging in behavior that implies openness to sex. They you are in fact say that women are massive retards.
Of course you have no argument against the obvious observation so you have to resort to telling me to "fuck off" and calling me a troll.
Basic logic like thinking that saying no a *gasp* second time is better than being viciously "raped"?
How about we create an anonymous poll whether this was rape or not? I'm curious which way the public opinion sways.