Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[inf64]

I like Igor's lab review as he used the best RAM possible for each platform:


Techspot's gaming results with 4090 are also interesting, showing around 5% higher 1% lows for 13900K vs 7700X, a miniscule difference. AMD will just have to cut the price of 7700X a bit and it should be the best gaming chip from perf/$ POV.

 

[nicalandia]

If you are buying 13900K Just to game and avoid high power consumption... Then you are doing it wrong. Get a 13600K... If you need the 13900K for content creation then yest. That's your CPU(Along with 7950X of course), but you know that High Heat and Power consumption will be the norm.

 

[nicalandia]

Yes, in short never run or use Cinebench or Blender and it will be ok.

That is what most 13900K will be used most for. Power Users that need the Horse Power...!

 

[Kocicak]

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Are they using computer power? Otherwise these numbers are wrong, see my power serie:

 

[Thunder 57]

I like Igor's lab review as he used the best RAM possible for each platform:
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Techspot's gaming results with 4090 are also interesting, showing around 5% higher 1% lows for 13900K vs 7700X, a miniscule difference. AMD will just have to cut the price of 7700X a bit and it should be the best gaming chip from perf/$ POV.

Don't people here do anything other than game? You don't need a modern high(er) end CPU to game. Aren't we always saying how games are GPU limited anyway? Not directed at you but posts in general.

 

[Thunder 57]

Are they using computer power? Otherwise these numbers are wrong, see my power serie:

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Didn't your 13900KF start smelling like burnt electronics when ran too long? And what do you mean by "computer power"? Power from the wall?

 

[nicalandia]

Are they using computer power? Otherwise these numbers are wrong, see my power serie:

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Are you game for a 10 Minute Cinebench Loop at Unlimited Power?

 

[Kocicak]

Are you game for a 10 Minute Cinebench Loop at Unlimited Power?

I have a little 240 AIO on it now which cannot remove 350W, it will throttle. I also have a cheap Gigabyte MB, and I am little worried that it may not survive that.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Similar to last generation if you actually need the multi-threaded performance of the top chips (almost no home user does), AMD 7950 is the better choice.

IMO, the real Raptors of interest will be the 13600k and 13400.

 

[inf64]

Don't people here do anything other than game? You don't need a modern high(er) end CPU to game. Aren't we always saying how games are GPU limited anyway? Not directed at you but posts in general.

I guess most AT users do light workloads and game on their PC (but some do DC and more compute heavy stuff as well). I just don't see 13900K as that great of a value, price is better than in Ryzen's case but the platform is dead end, it's slower in MT performance even with unlimited mode, and is barely faster in games (when both platforms use fast DDR5). Couple that with insane power raw numbers and performance drop off with limited power, it's just a meh IMO. Better value are 13600K and 13700K but these clock noticeably lower, a thing that can be remedied with manual OC though.

 

[coercitiv]

It seems what "stock" means is different between every site, lol.

Of course it is! Anandtech's Gavin Bonshor sums it up nicely, as we've been saying on the forums for years now!

Looking deeper into the high power consumption of the Core i9-13900K, we can see that it is shooting above Intel's PL2 value considerably more than the previous generation. One potential reason for this is down to motherboard vendors continuing to ignore PL2 limits and optimizing for performance under a thermal limit as opposed to power.

During our testing of the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X, we saw our GIGABYTE X670E Aorus Master AM5 motherboard adhere to AMD’s PPT limit, yet with our MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WIFI, we are overshooting the 253 W PL1 limit by around 40-42% at peak figures. While we don’t believe that Intel is ignoring its own classification and specification of power limits here, we believe that the onus is on motherboard vendors to adhere to these limits. A lot of the time, motherboard manufacturers want to deliver the best possible performance out of the box it can, and while we don’t necessarily believe this is a massive negative, it does paint a picture that the Core i9-13900K has insane power draw at maximum load. A power draw that would otherwise be tempered significantly by adhering to PL2.

 

[tamz_msc]

Of course it is! Anandtech's Gavin Bonshor sums it up nicely, as we've been saying on the forums for years now!

I think it's high time Intel tightens the screw on what is allowable and what isn't for out-of-the-box behaviour. Now it's just motherboard manufacturers abusing the freedom they have when it comes to the turbo parameters.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Any review delve into the differences between Z690 and Z790?

 

[Thunder 57]

Of course it is! Anandtech's Gavin Bonshor sums it up nicely, as we've been saying on the forums for years now!

Reminds me of the days when MSI motherboards would run at a 103MHz or so FSB just to win benchmarks.

 

[coercitiv]

Are they using computer power? Otherwise these numbers are wrong, see my power serie:

I suggest you let the reviews come in and observe difference in power output. Remember we're talking about different motherboards and different chips. Some boards will push more voltage by default, some chips will have lower quality and use slightly more power. And yeah, some reviewers will make mistakes... but not all of them at once.

 

[nicalandia]

IMO, the real Raptors of interest will be the 13600k and 13400.

Those are fundamentally different CPUs, the 13600K is a cut down 13900K, but the 13400 is a locked Alder Lake CPU(Golden Cove with 1.25 MiB L2$ and Gracemont Cores with 2 MiB)

Founder Predator PO5-650 vs ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench

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[blckgrffn]

I have a little 240 AIO on it now which cannot remove 350W, it will throttle. I also have a cheap Gigabyte MB, and I am little worried that it may not survive that.

IMO, this is insane. :/

I mean, I get it, but I don't like it.

 

[nicalandia]

IMO, this is insane. :/

I mean, I get it, but I don't like it.

"This comparison between the 13900K and 7950X, both using the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 120mm AIO liquid cooler. Now, you wouldn't pair either of these CPUs with a 120mm AIO, but with the 7950X you could and still receive performance that's comparable to what's been shown in this review. "

 

[Atari2600]

Leaving aside the insane power consumption - to be fair to Intel they've delivered performance I didn't believe possible.

Of course, of very little use in the server/HPC market due to that power consumption, so EPYC will continue to eat into those big profit margin areas.

 

[nicalandia]

Leaving aside the insane power consumption - to be fair to Intel they've delivered performance I didn't believe possible.

Of course, of very little use in the server/HPC market due to that power consumption, so EPYC will continue to eat into those big profit margin areas.

13900K is quite the Beast, but as you said. That will not translate to Sapphire Rapids or Emerald Rapids because those are power/thermal constrained beasts and AMD Just plain steam rolls them on power constrained systems due to better efficiency curb and higher core counts.

 

[Kocicak]

At more than 176W I was getting better temps with Freezer 34 air cooler! Something is wrong here.

 

[jpiniero]

Of course it is! Anandtech's Gavin Bonshor sums it up nicely, as we've been saying on the forums for years now!

What Intel suggests is more of a suggestion than an actual rule. Unlimited Power/Unlimited Tau is not considered overclocking; only changing the multiplier limits is.

 

[coercitiv]

Reminder that I bet 5 internet points on 13900K with non-potato DDR5 being 15% faster than 5800X 3D.

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[nicalandia]

I Crashed Geekbench5

 

[DrMrLordX]

IMO, the real Raptors of interest will be the 13600k and 13400.

Sadly the 13400 isn't even Raptor Lake, but if the price is right . . .

Of course, of very little use in the server/HPC market due to that power consumption

Raptor Cove doesn't even exist in the server room yet, and may never. Even Golden Cove is late to that party.

That's the stock setting.

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