Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Hitman928]

Are they using computer power? Otherwise these numbers are wrong, see my power serie:

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Depending on how you try to limit the power consumption, the CPU could potentially be using above the limit you set for a significant amount of time before dropping down to the power limit. Hardware Unboxed does it so it's a hard limit so the CPU will not use above the power limit shown.

 

[nicalandia]

Raptor Cove doesn't even exist in the server room yet, and may never. Even Golden Cove is late to that party.

Emerald Rapids will sport Raptor Cove cores, Pat seems confident that the delays on SPR-SP will not affect EMR.

 

[coercitiv]

What Intel suggests is more of a suggestion than an actual rule. Unlimited Power/Unlimited Tau is not considered overclocking; only changing the multiplier limits is.

At this point it's starting to affect their brand: Raptor is a very good refresh, yet it starts tainted with power usage memes from reviewers.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Sadly the 13400 isn't even Raptor Lake, but if the price is right . . .

Not much difference between Alder/Raptor cores anyway. A bit of cache, which gave about 4% gains on HWUB clock-clock testing.

The i5-xx400 has always been a great value chip for many generations, and that should continue.

The 13600K should be a great all round chip, with more moderate price and power requirements.

 

[coercitiv]

The i5-xx400 has always been a great value chip for many generations, and that should continue.

This time I think the 13500 will be worth the extra cost, 4 more E cores and extra L3 cache for gaming. Sprinkle some MHZ on top and it'll be good to go.

 

[nicalandia]

TechpowerUp got 117c with Unlimited Power nearly 400 Watts

 

[Heartbreaker]

This time I think the 13500 will be worth the extra cost, 4 more E cores and extra L3 cache for gaming. Sprinkle some MHZ on top and it'll be good to go.

I noticed in the past, that i5-xx500 chips tended to have sketchy availability, and price premium above MSRP coming close to xx600K pricing when they were in stock, and that's when the benefits were questionable.

Even right now on Newegg. 12500 is ~$60 more than 12400, and ~$30 less than 12600K.

 

[Hitman928]

TechpowerUp got 117c with Unlimited Power nearly 400 Watts
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That's with an air cooler, which of course has no chance of cooling the CPU at those power levels. The surprising thing is the CPU is allowed to get to that high of temps at all.

 

[nicalandia]

That's with an air cooler, which of course has no chance of cooling the CPU at those power levels. The surprising thing is the CPU is allowed to get to that high of temps at all.

The same Noctua NH-U14S that Puget System was using..

 

[igor_kavinski]

TechpowerUp got 117c with Unlimited Power nearly 400 Watts
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I wonder how long it will run at this temperature 24/7...

Now I totally believe Kocicak's burning smell post

 

[nicalandia]

13900K vs 7950X at 125 Watts and 65 Watts

Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

Prefer to keep temperature and power consumption down to lower levels this winter? Here's what happens when the best CPUs are scaled back.

www.club386.com

 

[Hitman928]

The same Noctua NH-U14S that Puget System was using..

Yes, which is why I initially asked if they were using an air cooler as their 13900k score indicates that Puget's numbers probably include some amount of clock reduction due to thermals. However, the 7950x results don't add up even with the given air cooler as it shouldn't be that low a score as shown by TPU and multiple other outlets.

 

[nicalandia]

The 13900K was Pushed Beyond Sense by Intel.

 

[Hitman928]

13900K vs 7950X at 125 Watts and 65 Watts

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Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

Prefer to keep temperature and power consumption down to lower levels this winter? Here's what happens when the best CPUs are scaled back.

www.club386.com

The relative difference between the 13900K and 7950x when comparing Cinebench and Blender shows that the 13900K loses more performance in longer running benchmarks. I would say it might indicate thermal throttling but the effect is most pronounced at 125W. I'm wondering if their motherboard is doing what Anandtech pointed out and is not strictly adhering to the power limits they are setting.

 

[Harry_Wild]

Raptor Lake better deal then AMD 7000 series! Run hotter too! Pricing for 7000s going be coming down!

 

[Markfw]

Well, I will say Intel is trying. Raptor lake is faster in a couple of areas, usually lightly threaded, and for short time periods, and at a HUGE power cost. Their pricing is also good. For a casual gamer with a limited budget, this is an attractive chip. For a power user that uses it a lot, not so much. Unless they do their work for short duration's. About what I expected. And not something I can use. My 7950x's are set to -25 on PBO and use ~142 watt 100% of the time at 100% load.

 

[nicalandia]

More insight of the TPU Benchmarks.

 

[Hitman928]

Raptor Lake better deal then AMD 7000 series! Run hotter too! Pricing for 7000s going be coming down!

It will really depend on how the market responds. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both Intel and AMD lower pricing fairly soon given the macro environment right now. But just looking at this moment in time, it seems to me that AMD should probably cut $50 off each SKU, except the 7950x, its pricing seems OK to me.

 

[Thor86]

tjmax in under 20secs. LOL.

 

[Henry swagger]

13900K vs 7950X at 125 Watts and 65 Watts

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Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

Prefer to keep temperature and power consumption down to lower levels this winter? Here's what happens when the best CPUs are scaled back.

www.club386.com

Intel is more impressive on the same node.. meteor lake will be even bigger jump 😁

 

[nicalandia]

Intel is more impressive on the same node.. meteor lake will be even bigger jump 😁

Yes, but that will probably released on mid/late 2024

 

[Heartbreaker]

The better chip getting less press:

Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[nicalandia]

The better chip getting less press:

Nobody cares about mid-tier CPUs... All of the Rage is at the very Top..!

 

[Thunder 57]

ignore

 

[Hitman928]

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More insight of the TPU Benchmarks.

That's a problem with comparing RPL reviews right now. It seems most motherboards have unlimited power as the default setting so unless the reviewer specifically goes in and enables it, they are letting the CPU use over 300W which will obviously greatly benefit the performance results. It also seems that even when trying to set limits, some motherboards just ignore the limits to some degree anyway. It also seems that cooling is even more important with RPL than Zen4 as with the high power consumption, you can easily get into thermal throttling which will bring down the power consumption (and performance of course). This makes the results coming in all over the place.