Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[ondma]

Pretty interesting. Compubase also got a 27% improvement compared to the 12600K.

That test was with a 3080 though. I would like to see them repeat it with a 4090.

 

[cebri1]

Pretty good gaming performance of the 13600K against the 7950x and 5800X3D

 

[AdamK47]

Man, why did I get this crummy 7950X? The 13900K looks great.

 

[samboy]

Really good to see competitive performance from the 13900K.

I have a 5950x and since AMD has a new platform for the 7950x I can go either Intel or AMD. I have more questions such as platform stability; performance of the 13900k with DDR4 and multi-threaded load; heat constraining performance for long workloads (e.g. a multi-threaded overnight regression test run).

I'll let all you early adopters help test this out....... I may end up skipping this generation as although a ~25% speed increase is nice; its harder to justify when you have to upgrade memory, MB and processor (my last upgrade was just a processor that gave a 20% speed increase). However, I have hope that this close competition may help prices drop!

 

[reb0rn]

any gaming review with 4090, at HD resolution, there is zero logic to use old GPU for gaming test as most did

 

[biostud]

Man, why did I get this crummy 7950X? The 13900K looks great.

So you can drop in a 7950X3D in a couple of months?

 

[inf64]

Man, why did I get this crummy 7950X? The 13900K looks great.

Pretty much a wash, intel part has a hair faster performance in ST and gaming (+5%), and a hair slower in MT (-4%). Caveat: intel part uses 100W+ more in MT workloads for comparable performance

Expreview summary chart shows this well:


Techspot (HW Unboxed), 12 game average with RTX4090:

 

[biostud]

So Intel 13900k is now the budget option vs the 7950k?

 

[inf64]

So Intel 13900k is now the budget option vs the 7950k?

Pretty much, although it sounds funny. It's a good alternative for Z690 owners who need more MT performance. As for gaming, anyone on Alder Lake has already tuned their chip with manual OC so the gains there would be more or less trivial.

 

[AdamK47]

So you can drop in a 7950X3D in a couple of months?

I was only joking. I did hurt some feelings apparently.

Probably will get whatever X3D is released.

 

[Hulk]

Wow, the AT review is pretty bad. Multiple times where the graph results aren't quite lining up with the narration, and I'm pretty sure the the labels of 5xxx and 7xxx Ryzen parts were swapped in a bunch of the gaming graphs.

I have a different opinion. I thought it was quite good. There isn't a lot of "meat" in this release, not much to speak of architecturally. I would have liked to see some tests that would have isolated what benefits Intel is getting from the additional 8 E cores, which is easy to do since all you have to do is turn off 2 clusters in the BIOS.

That video review on page 118 of this thread was excellent I must admit.

 

[Carfax83]

Techspot (HW Unboxed), 12 game average with RTX4090:
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That's 1440p, the 1080p average has a slightly higher spread in favor of the 13900K.

At any rate, I think you're jumping the gun a bit for several reasons:

1) It appears that even the RTX 4090 is still GPU bottlenecking Raptor Lake at 1080p at the settings used by HWU.

2) Games vary a lot in terms of how CPU or GPU intensive they are. If you analyze the results on a game by game basis and look particularly at the CPU intensive titles, Raptor Lake is significantly faster than the competition; particularly in 1% lows.

That shows me that Raptor Lake is just a more potent gaming CPU than the competition, and will be for a better partner for the next generation of GPUs.

 

[Hulk]

Here are my impressions of the 7950X vs 13900K at this point in time. Honestly not much has changed in my mind over the hours since the reviews went live.

1. Performance-wise they are neck-and-neck depending on the application.
2. For highly multithreaded tasks like distributed computing and the like the 7950X is much more efficient. If you are going to be hammering all cores for long periods of time go Zen 4.
3. For less threaded tasks performance and efficiency are pretty equal with Raptor even being slightly more efficient as per the video review on page 118 of this forum.
4. At 90W even for highly multithreaded tasks efficiency is about the same, as is performance. But once you get above 100 or so watts it goes strongly in Zen 4's favor as per #2.
5. Raptor is end of life for mobo, Zen 4 is beginning.
6. Raptor is slightly cheaper up and down the stack currently.

I will most likely pop in a 13900K since the clocks are a big upgrade from my 12700K. I'll probably keep the power limit at the same 170W I have now. I don't NEED to upgrade but hey, we're enthusiasts it's what we do and I ain't as cheap as I used to be!

I'd really appreciate it if someone with a 12900K could run our Handbrake benchmark? Or someone with a 13900K could run it with 8E's activated.

 

[Hulk]

With 13900K you are getting better silicone. For gaming I would set my CPU with max multiplier 60x best P cores / 59 or 58x other P cores, limit power draw to the level manageable by my cooling solution, as 200W. That way you would get much higher gaming performance than what you could ever get out of 13600K.

I know we've been hammering you with benchmark requests but could you run CB23 MT unlimited power in 8+8 configuration? Could you also run out Handbrake bench in that config? I'm really curious to see what those extra E's are doing?!

 

[Kocicak]

I have been running the CPU for a while with two cores at 6 GHz and the rest at 5.8. I observed, that while playing 4K youtube video, power draw is 30W. I disabled 2 P cores and 8 E cores, and put P cores at max. 5.5 GHz, simulating overclocked 13600K. But still, it drew 20-25W playing the video. I expected way less. Frankly I do not get it.

BTW I tried again 6.2 GHz CNB 1T run, but I got just 2395, which is worse than the result before, so I did not even screenshot it.

I may try the benchmark with in 8+8 config, but today I am heading to bed now.

 

[Thunder 57]

I was only joking. I did hurt some feelings apparently.

Probably will get whatever X3D is released.

Hard to tell through text sometimes. Downvote removed.

 

[amenx]

I was only joking. I did hurt some feelings apparently.

Probably will get whatever X3D is released.

Have feeling you will upgrade your 4090 to a Ti when its out.

 

[amenx]

Wow, the AT review is pretty bad. Multiple times where the graph results aren't quite lining up with the narration, and I'm pretty sure the the labels of 5xxx and 7xxx Ryzen parts were swapped in a bunch of the gaming graphs.

No temperature tests in the review either!

 

[Carfax83]

20 game lineup from this channel. 13900K slaughters the 7900x:

 

[Markfw]

20 game lineup from this channel. 13900K slaughters the 7900x:

So many things wrong there. I did not see anything about settings, wattage. I did not see a 7700x or a 7600x which quite often are faster at gaming. For the blender test, the 13900k (the top dog) goes against the 7900x which is 4 fast cores short or the equal, the 7950x. This review is so slanted, I discount it entirely.

 

[Hans Gruber]

So the 13900K is going for $549 at Microcenter if you bundle a motherboard.

Intel Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake 3.0GHz Twenty Four-Core LGA 1700 Boxed Processor - Heatsink Not Included - Micro Center

Get it now! 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900K desktop processor. Featuring Intel Adaptive Boost Technology, Intel Thermal Velocity Boost, Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0, and PCIe 5.0 & 4.

www.microcenter.com

 

[reb0rn]

there is nothing wrong testing 13900k vs 7900x as price is more aligned... but from test with 4090 we now see Intel againdominate gaming is HUGE % there is nothing AMD can do there at all for now
13600K is ultimate gaming cpu

 

[fleshconsumed]

Well, after reading all the reviews it appears that 13900K is Intel's triumphant return to its Pentium 4 Extreme Edition roots...

Trips down the memory lane aside, pretty much same performance as 7950x give or take depending on game/application, cheaper than 7950x, especially if you take motherboard/memory prices into account, but also runs much much hotter. It is funny how tables have turned compared to 4 years ago. Back then Intel had the halo product while AMD was the budget choice - almost as good as Intel, but much cheaper. Now the 7950x is the productivity/halo choice commanding appropriate premium, however Intel provides better value at midrange aka 12600k/13600k.

 

[Markfw]

there is nothing wrong testing 13900k vs 7900x as price is more aligned... but from test with 4090 we now see Intel againdominate gaming is HUGE % there is nothing AMD can do there at all for now
13600K is ultimate gaming cpu

They did not test the 7700x and the 7600x in gaming, or the 7950x in productivity. Everything is slanted to make Intel look good. Thats NOT what all the other reviews are saying. They did not even test the 13600k that you say is the gaming king. And you don't test based on ONE model number or price. You test several chips.

As I said there is so much wrong with this "review" its not a review, its just an Intel ad.

 

[reb0rn]

In gaming we know all with the test done on rtx4090...
you can only hope some 79003DX make it more edgy for gamers

for heavy load and productivity sure there looks like there is balance 79xx vs 13xxx but for gaming intel is defo again king