Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[In2Photos]

Harry seems to flip flop between intel and amd when he's not missing his number 9 key on his keyboard. he reminds me of arne.

You've got your Harry's mixed up.

 

[A///]

You've got your Harry's mixed up.

Looks like I do. Hard to tell them apart when neither one is clean shaven.

 

[Henry swagger]

Intel flooding the channel with cheap chips, while AMD is trying to keep margins, just look at the Q3 CCG margin drop YoY, from 37% to 20%, like datacenter they're giving away chips for peanuts.

I seriously doubt this is sustainable for Intel, but best of luck to them.

Weird take you sound bitter lol

 

[Markfw]

Weird take you sound bitter lol

Sounds logical to me. And factual.

 

[Hulk]

Harry seems to flip flop between intel and amd when he's not missing his number 9 key on his keyboard. he reminds me of arne.

No? It's assumed AMD couldn't guarantee a steady supply of mobile chips to microsoft simply due to being constrained and having to produce nearly everything on a single node and these new surfaces come at a time when intel had new products but amd did not in mobile. im not entirely sure who is buying surface laptops because they're a terrible deal for what you get.

I have a Surface Laptop 2. I got it a couple years ago for $800 and it has and continues to serve me well. It has a great display, super thin and light, and has absolutely no flex in the chassis, among other attributes. You might not be able to imagine it but everybody has different priorities when it comes to purchase decisions.

 

[naad]

Weird take you sound bitter lol

Intel is nice enough to detail their groups financials every quarter, all it takes is to read carefully.
And margins in their client groups dropping from 37 to 20, which is a FORTY FIVE PERCENT drop tells anyone that they're giving away chips.

Don't worry though, their datacenter group is doing much worse.

 

[Kosusko]

Market shares for x86 processors in the third quarter of 2022 / or hybrid big.LITTLE processors (mobile / desktop) vs big cores procesors (server)

The continuation of the paradigm shift with the hybrid big.LITTLE processors Intel Alder Lake and most recently Raptor Lake sends the competition's offer in some cases several (mobile / desktop) years back to the market share situation of 2018/19 !

We see the exact opposite in the server segment, where did not jump at the paradigm shift at all and processors with only big cores cannot compete hand in hand with several times the delay of long-announced products.

I predict that this scissor of the desktop/mobile segment vs the server segment will continue to open.

source: https://www.3dcenter.org/news/die-marktanteile-fuer-x86-prozessoren-im-dritten-quartal-2022

 

[Henry swagger]

Intel is nice enough to detail their groups financials every quarter, all it takes is to read carefully.
And margins in their client groups dropping from 37 to 20, which is a FORTY FIVE PERCENT drop tells anyone that they're giving away chips.

Don't worry though, their datacenter group is doing much worse.

Amd is not doing much better.. because i know you like them huh good sir lol

 

[Markfw]

Amd is not doing much better.. because i know you like them huh good sir lol

AMD is doing a LOT better. Are you on drugs ?

 

[A///]

Quite possibly, Mark. Quite possibly. I'm off to rendezvous with a bottle of fine brandy and a few Bond movies.

 

[Henry swagger]

AMD is doing a LOT better. Are you on drugs ?

They down a billion in revenue.. where have you been ?

 

[Markfw]

They down a billion in revenue.. where have you been ?

And how much is Intel down in profit ? And technology ? Where have YOU been ? Intel has NOTHING to answer Genoa anytime in the foreseeable future, and that is the most profitable area.

 

[Henry swagger]

And how much is Intel down in profit ? And technology ? Where have YOU been ? Intel has NOTHING to answer Genoa anytime in the foreseeable future, and that is the most profitable area.

Intel still makes more money than amd its not even close.. but both companies missed targets

 

[lopri]

Not sure if this was posted before. It's hilarious.

 

[A///]

it's a good video to show to kids in the hopes they don't use drugs.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Not sure if this was posted before. It's hilarious.

There was a vid like that - perhaps from the same guy? - showing the 13900k was only 1% faster in games (or so) with a max tune/OC vs. a max tuned/OCed 12900k/ks (forget which). That was assuming that e-cores were disabled, which is something not all gamers do. In any case it would be interesting to see if anyone could actually corroborate results like those.

 

[nicalandia]

Raptor Lake Refresh in late 2023? MTL-S pushed to late 2024?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Raptor Lake Refresh in late 2023? MTL-S pushed to late 2024?

Source?

I guess it was too optimistic to expect Intel taming Intel 4.

What are they gonna do with the Refresh? 6 GHz clocks normal boost and 6.5 GHz for KS?

 

[CakeMonster]

TBH most of the MTL discussion just confuses me, seems people are discussing laptop chips most of the time too. I'm just interested in what happens on desktop, and although rumors are all over the place and not even worth paying attention too, I'm not overly optimistic about a revolutionary MTL coming in 2023...

 

[nicalandia]

Source?

I guess it was too optimistic to expect Intel taming Intel 4.

It's WCCFTEC So take it with a Metric Ton Worth of Salt.

Intel Desktop CPU Rumors: Raptor Lake Refresh In 2023, Meteor Lake Up To Core i7 With 6+16, Arrow Lake Up To Core i9 With 8+16 SKUs In 2024

New rumors regarding Intel's next-gen desktop CPU lineup including Raptor Lake Refresh, Meteor Lake & Arrow Lake have been disclosed.

wccftech.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

TBH most of the MTL discussion just confuses me, seems people are discussing laptop chips most of the time too. I'm just interested in what happens on desktop

Remember, Intel did release Dothan (a laptop chip) on desktop in very very limited quantities.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Raptor Lake Refresh in late 2023? MTL-S pushed to late 2024?

Could be that there will be no meaningful Meteor Lake-S except maybe for corporate/mass OEM systems. Raptor Lake refresh could bring Raptor Cove/Gracemont+ to the rest of Intel's lineup (as opposed to it being restricted to a few high-end SKUs) while Meteor Lake replaces the Gen13 Alder Lake products in mobile.

 

[RTX2080]

It's WCCFTEC So take it with a Metric Ton Worth of Salt.

Intel Desktop CPU Rumors: Raptor Lake Refresh In 2023, Meteor Lake Up To Core i7 With 6+16, Arrow Lake Up To Core i9 With 8+16 SKUs In 2024

New rumors regarding Intel's next-gen desktop CPU lineup including Raptor Lake Refresh, Meteor Lake & Arrow Lake have been disclosed.

wccftech.com

Its source is here

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t.bilibili.com

(the page cannot be translated by google, translate author's message only)

Intel 2024 is a bit confusing, you'll see both Intel 7 20A, tsmc n3 n5 n6
MTL will still be available on the desktop side, along with ARL, both of which are used to differentiate between high end and low and mid range.
MTL is Intel 7 + tsmc n5 iGPU + n6 Soc, ARL is tsmc n3, ARL will only be present in the high end model i7 i9, and 20A will only be present in the mobile side.
If I remember correctly, these materials were posted by Raichu, but it's still early, and according to the current timing, these are all variables.

I think WCCFTECH misunderstand the first paragraph.

 

[Henry swagger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591802741265166336

Raptor cove showing its brutal horsepower 😏

 

[A///]

There was a vid like that - perhaps from the same guy? - showing the 13900k was only 1% faster in games (or so) with a max tune/OC vs. a max tuned/OCed 12900k/ks (forget which). That was assuming that e-cores were disabled, which is something not all gamers do. In any case it would be interesting to see if anyone could actually corroborate results like those.

that would be him.