Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Hulk]

2150 is 5500 MHz score. I set everything in BIOS. I tried using Intel extreme tuning utility but I got rid of it quickly. Weird things were happening and I did not have mood to investigate, what exactly is going on.

In stock setting you should see one or both best cores running at 5800 MHz running all the time during 1 thread run.

Exactly. It just won't go to 5.8. Temps are okay. It doesn't really make a difference in day-to-day usage but it is frustrating that I can't get it to 5.8!

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well gents I just bought a 13900k, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero and some G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 6600 to replace my frustrating experience with X570 w/5950x. Hope to have all the parts in before Christmas so I can swap it out.

 

[nicalandia]

Intel i5 13400 CPUZ

 

[Harry_Wild]

Aside from the 13900KS, aren't those all just rebranded Alder Lake though?

Intels always done this in the low end of their CPU hierarchy. It is a way to sell to the mass consumer marketplace but they used the last iGPUs. Intel is force to used the current iGPU this time around since both are the same price to produce now!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intels always done this in the low end of their CPU hierarchy.

There have been several generations of Intel chips with non-k SKUs using the latest uarch. Looks like the market will have to wait for Raptor Lake Refresh later in 2023 for that.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.

 

[DrMrLordX]

If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.

I don't think there's an Alder Lake-R part. Not sure if they'll bother with Raptor Lake-R.

 

[ondma]

If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.

News of a RPL refresh is very disappointing. I thought Intel seemed to be getting back on track, but this seems like a regression to the Skylake refresh days. Simply adding a few hundred mhz when power usage is already a problem does not impress me at all.

 

[nicalandia]

If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.

What the 14900KS?

 

[Hulk]

Well gents I just bought a 13900k, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero and some G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 6600 to replace my frustrating experience with X570 w/5950x. Hope to have all the parts in before Christmas so I can swap it out.

Nice. Looks like a great build. What was up with the 5950X?

 

[Hulk]

News of a RPL refresh is very disappointing. I thought Intel seemed to be getting back on track, but this seems like a regression to the Skylake refresh days. Simply adding a few hundred mhz when power usage is already a problem does not impress me at all.

Can't really expect much in a refresh. It's what we used to call a stepping I think. Still though if clocks go up at the same power then you can back off power and get higher clocks than we have now at lower power.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What the 14900KS?

Yup

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't think there's an Alder Lake-R part. Not sure if they'll bother with Raptor Lake-R.

RPL-R meaning Raptor Lake Refresh. They will have a 14900K. Hopefully, a 14900KS too, until Arrow Lake is ready for action.

 

[nicalandia]

RPL-R meaning Raptor Lake Refresh. They will have a 14900K. Hopefully, a 14900KS too, until Arrow Lake is ready for action.

7950X at 5.8 Ghz vs 14900KS at 6.5 Ghz, that's a 12% difference. Would be a close match till MTL-S late 2024. But MTL would have to bring more than impressive IPC boost to counter the obvious speed regression that is bound to take place.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Nice. Looks like a great build. What was up with the 5950X?

My gigabyte X570 aorus master is dying after enduring horrible support from them on a multitude of issues like random usb shutdowns (windows power management turned off), double pump posts and ftpm stuttering. When the usb acts up it knocks out the argb ports on the board. Two weeks ago I was just looking in the side panel when the mb argb lights failed and my board suddenly went dark but it kept on running and the qcode still indicates.

I've been wrestling with it but I'm not going to run it till failure. I'll just sell the 5950x and 5900x cpu's I have. Both are only a few months old and the 5900x only ran a few days while the 5950x was out for RMA.

The ryzens themselves are great but I'm not spending another penny on this platform nor am I willing to buy into an even more expensive AMD platform when they couldn't support this one during my 3 years on it.

Same can be said of my XFX Speedster MERC 319 RX 6900 XT black GPU that randomly turns off my 2nd monitor while in use. Imagine watching a video and have the monitor suddenly go away. Some time before this one I had a 5000 series card and it had crazy white flashes while playing a game so back it went and no rtx 3080/90 cards were available when I need a card so I ended up with it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

RPL-R meaning Raptor Lake Refresh.

Okay, but bear in mind that Intel does have a -R designation for parts that they've used in the past. Example:

The Intel Broadwell Desktop Review: Core i7-5775C and Core i5-5675C Tested (Part 1)

www.anandtech.com

 

[Hulk]

My gigabyte X570 aorus master is dying after enduring horrible support from them on a multitude of issues like random usb shutdowns (windows power management turned off), double pump posts and ftpm stuttering. When the usb acts up it knocks out the argb ports on the board. Two weeks ago I was just looking in the side panel when the mb argb lights failed and my board suddenly went dark but it kept on running and the qcode still indicates.

I've been wrestling with it but I'm not going to run it till failure. I'll just sell the 5950x and 5900x cpu's I have. Both are only a few months old and the 5900x only ran a few days while the 5950x was out for RMA.

The ryzens themselves are great but I'm not spending another penny on this platform nor am I willing to buy into an even more expensive AMD platform when they couldn't support this one during my 3 years on it.

Same can be said of my XFX Speedster MERC 319 RX 6900 XT black GPU that randomly turns off my 2nd monitor while in use. Imagine watching a video and have the monitor suddenly go away. Some time before this one I had a 5000 series card and it had crazy white flashes while playing a game so back it went and no rtx 3080/90 cards were available when I need a card so I ended up with it.

Ugh! You've have some bad luck. Those type of issues are so frustrating.

 

[Exist50]

If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.

It took them two steppings and process changes to eek 500MHz out of Alder Lake -> Raptor Lake. Even if they do another stepping and further tweaks, extremely unlikely we'll see the same from a Raptor Lake refresh.

 

[Kocicak]

It took them two steppings and process changes to eek 500MHz out of Alder Lake -> Raptor Lake. Even if they do another stepping and further tweaks, extremely unlikely we'll see the same from a Raptor Lake refresh.

Is is even possible that the REAL improvement is less than 500 MHz.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You never know what kind of process tweaks could be in the works. I'm sure they are doing whatever they can for "total domination" in their own words. I think Raptor Lake has shown us that Intel has lots of tricks up their sleeves to make a compelling product for gamers. They have the resources to do really crazy stuff if push comes to shove.

 

[nicalandia]

Intel i7 13700E makes its debut.

Details for Result ID 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700E (8C + 8c 24T 4.71GHz + 3.91GHz, 4GHz/4.5GHz IMC, 8x 2MB + 2x 4MB L2, 30MB L3)

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[Thunder 57]

Intel i7 13700E makes its debut.
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Details for Result ID 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700E (8C + 8c 24T 4.71GHz + 3.91GHz, 4GHz/4.5GHz IMC, 8x 2MB + 2x 4MB L2, 30MB L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

Sounds fake. Wouldn't it be a 13700S?

 

[nicalandia]

Sounds fake. Wouldn't it be a 13700S?

Perhaps another tasteless joke from
Chips and Cheese?

 

[jpiniero]

Sounds fake. Wouldn't it be a 13700S?

The E is for embedded.

Intel® Core™ i7-12700E Processor (25M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-12700E Processor (25M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

ark.intel.com

 

[nicalandia]

The E is for embedded.

Intel® Core™ i7-12700E Processor (25M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-12700E Processor (25M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

ark.intel.com

Cool, Thanks..! It's the first one posted on any benchmark so far for Raptor Lake and it's a True Raptor and not a refresh.