Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Just Benching]

Yep, pretty much the same story that happened here. Big claims made about Intel’s massive superiority over Zen4 based on very little/shaky data. When more data is added showing evidence that it’s not true, that data is just ignored and the big claims are repeated ad nauseum.

You do realize the 13600k was over twice as fast than the 7600 and the 3d right? So wth are you talking about? What more data proved otherwise and were ignored??? The only one ignoring data is the amd camp, your post makes it perfectly obvious.

 

[Hitman928]

You do realize the 13600k was over twice as fast than the 7600 and the 3d right? So wth are you talking about? What more data proved otherwise and were ignored??? The only one ignoring data is the amd camp, your post makes it perfectly obvious.

I'm not going to fill another thread getting into a back and forth with you when your intentions are clear and you have admitted to trolling twice already.

 

[Just Benching]

I'm not going to fill another thread getting into a back and forth with you when your intentions are clear and you have admitted to trolling twice already.

There doesn't need to be a back and forth, you said something that is blatantly false,, there was very clear data on that thread that zen 4 CPUS struggle in that game, being far behind the equivalent intel's i5s.

 

[Harry_Wild]

You realize the 13600 non-K is based on Alder Lake silicon and not Raptor Lake silicon, right?

i5 13600 non-K ARK
i5 13600K ARK

The fact that no other posters have pointed this out is also a travesty.

Notice the total L2 cache of 11.5MB vs 20MB and the official DDR5-4800 support vs DDR5-5600... clearly indicating it is based on older Alder Lake silicon.

Intel® Core™ i5-13600 Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.00 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i5-13600 Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.00 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

Still has greater single thread performance with the 770 iGPU! Every year the CPU just gets better!

Update: Talk with a guy that knows shipping of semiconductors and he said that the 13600 65W will be available in retail stores in February 20th! I got my money ready! Buy at any price!

 

[Kocicak]

I just looked and computerbase.de claims, that in average FPS 13600K is 20% better than 7600, while being approx. 33% more expensive. For gaming alone, 7600 is a better value.

However, 13600K is 60% better than 7600 in multithread performance.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That OCUK thread is quickly becoming a nothing burger. Somebody already proved the 7950X can fully saturate a 7900XTX in Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra RT even at 720p. Now they're comparing SpiderMan results, turns out performance is fine as well.

Consider the source.

 

[Carfax83]

Yep, pretty much the same story that happened here. Big claims made about Intel’s massive superiority over Zen4 based on very little/shaky data. When more data is added showing evidence that it’s not true, that data is just ignored and the big claims are repeated ad nauseum.

I watched the video and it didn't negate what we have been saying. The 7950x dropped into the 80s during his run (Raptor Lake stays in the triple digit range with higher RT settings), and while his GPU usage remained high, that's more an indication of AMD's DX12 driver being more efficient at lower resolutions than Nvidia's as well as the 7900XTX being a less powerful card with less need of a powerful CPU to drive it.

 

[Just Benching]

I watched the video and it didn't negate what we have been saying. The 7950x dropped into the 80s during his run (Raptor Lake stays in the triple digit range with higher RT settings), and while his GPU usage remained high, that's more an indication of AMD's DX12 driver being more efficient at lower resolutions than Nvidia's as well as the 7900XTX being a less powerful card with less need of a powerful CPU to drive it.

And he didnt even test in the heavy areas. Where he is testing a 12900k gets over 160 fps, lol

 

[A///]

In my case, a reference to wading through the BS.

Tell you the truth I was wondering what you really meant because you never mentioned fishing before or did at some time and I can't remember. Good reference though.

 

[nicalandia]

Raptor Lake i7 13790F makes its debut on Sisoftware Sandra.

Details for Result ID 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13790F (8C + 8c 24T 5.13千兆赫（GHz） + 4.12千兆赫（GHz）, 4.54千兆赫（GHz）/4.65千兆赫（GHz） IMC, 8x 2兆字节（MB） + 2x 4兆字节（MB） L2, 33兆字节（MB） L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

Details for Result ID 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13790F (8C + 8c 24T 5.13千兆赫（GHz） + 4.12千兆赫（GHz）, 4.54千兆赫（GHz）/4.65千兆赫（GHz） IMC, 8x 2兆字节（MB） + 2x 4兆字节（MB） L2, 33兆字节（MB） L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

Nothing extraordinary of course.

 

[Henry swagger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624111910378405908

Rt really shows which core is more powerful

 

[A///]

I'm curious what the hit on Intel will be like once they decouple their cores from the "soc" portion of their processors in a few years. From Raja's segment in the summer of 2020 or 2021 where they were mentioning their new nodes and ribbon taking over finfet he or a woman after him brought up intel's in house interconnects and how they were pushing the limits with each product line.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm curious what the hit on Intel will be like once they decouple their cores from the "soc" portion of their processors in a few years.

There's no point in decoupling and then regressing. The reason it's taken so long for them to decouple is that they were working on making sure that there IS NO HIT. At least, that's what I would dictate to my team there

 

[Hitman928]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624111910378405908

Rt really shows which core is more powerful

GameGPU is not my favorite tester, but I for sure trust them more than capframex.

Hogwarts Legacy тест GPU/CPU | RPG/Role playing | TEST GPU

В данном тестировании мы представляем игровую новинку- Hogwarts Legacy, которая была протестирована при ультра установках качества графики на семействах видеокарт GEFORCE RTX и RADEON RX.

gamegpu.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

EDIT: posted to relevant thread: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/the-8gb-not-enough-thread.2595331/post-40948833

 

[DrMrLordX]

Interesting but a little off-topic for this thread.

 

[Markfw]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624111910378405908

Rt really shows which core is more powerful

No, its this bug:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624199679943516166

 

[A///]

Sorry Igor, but no one here is going to want to wade through a ram thread where people debate the dust out of 8 gb vs 16 vs 32. The price differential between a 32 and 64 gb kit of ddr5 is so much lower now than it was 2-3 months ago that it makes no sense for most toe ven go with 32 gb when 64 makes more sense. Laughed a little at capframe x. Tedious little menace.

 

[Carfax83]

GameGPU is not my favorite tester, but I for sure trust them more than capframex.

I bought this game a few days ago, and the main reason for the discrepancy between CapFrameX and the GameGPU benches is that CapFrameX did his benchmarks at a lower resolution and it was also done in Hogsmeade. Hogsmeade, a village close to Hogwarts is much more demanding to run.

Many people had no issues with performance at Hogwarts, but as the game progresses and they come to Hogsmeade, they run into performance issues. CapFrameX acutally does good tests, and he actively looks for problem areas which are either CPU or GPU intensive.

 

[Markfw]

I bought this game a few days ago, and the main reason for the discrepancy between CapFrameX and the GameGPU benches is that CapFrameX did his benchmarks at a lower resolution and it was also done in Hogsmeade. Hogsmeade, a village close to Hogwarts is much more demanding to run.

Many people had no issues with performance at Hogwarts, but as the game progresses and they come to Hogsmeade, they run into performance issues. CapFrameX acutally does good tests, and he actively looks for problem areas which are either CPU or GPU intensive.

And nobody has commented on the fact that hardware unboxed found the problem as a game bug. Or that gameGPU found totally different results. "your group" just ignores all evidence that proves you are wrong.

pathetic.

 

[Carfax83]

And nobody has commented on the fact that hardware unboxed found the problem as a game bug. Or that gameGPU found totally different results. "your group" just ignores all evidence that proves you are wrong.

pathetic.

That's because it's not applicable. As I said, I have the game. That menu bug does exist, but if GameGPU's results were bug ridden, then the gap would have been much larger, like over 100% or so. The fact that GameGPU's results show just a 12% lead for Raptor Lake demonstrates that the menu bug was not active, and that the tested area was not in Hogsmeade.

Hogsmeade is more CPU intensive than Hogwarts.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The following Twitter thread is good stuff. I highly recommend checking it out. Seems after all the drama, the board was at fault. CapFrameX retested with a different board and Ryzen 7000 picks up 19% performance.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624895562310127617

This tweet had the how it started, how it's going, and even the "how it should end" but probably won't.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624901020840075266

 

[DAPUNISHER]

In case my last post isn't clear enough, let me make it crystal. Cap is a self professed shill. His testing is amature hour.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

CapFrameX acutally does good tests, and he actively looks for problem areas which are either CPU or GPU intensive.

This is r/agedlikemilk worthy. The space program here at KSC has an expression that can be applied to this shill's testing fiasco. It's like a monkey fornicating a football.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's like a monkey fornicating a football.

EWWWWWWW.

I hope the football will not commit suicide from the trauma