Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[A///]

DDR5-6000 tuned is good enough for me.

Something I have noticed with 13th gen in what I've seen is that the imc and overall processor do not respond that well to higher transfer speeds. You'll gain 10-15 fps in some games but be dead even if running at 5600 vs 7200 or higher if your individual chip's imc can handle it. There is next to no noticeable difference in production. I may be wrong here but we're likely not at the golden period of DDR5 speeds where it'll make a difference. DDR6 is due some time in 2027-2029. Samsung has stated 2026 for their DDR6 but I wouldn't expect the similar ramp up in production and price drop we've seen with ddr5 now.

anyway to answer your own question 6000 seems like a good speed to go with because 6400 is not offering up much to anyone and going higher will cost more and there's no guarantee your individual build will be long term stable. Some people have a warped idea of what stable is. Some thing 2-3 days of on/off testing is good enough and others have a better approach of multiple days of on time hammering the system. It's the long term affects of minor instabilities that cause the great culmination of issues down the line.

 

[Kocicak]

Why'd you drop down to a 600?

I also settled on 13600K, I run it stock. IMO it is perfectly adequate CPU for most normal people, and with its 14 cores it can serve even people who sometimes need to get some real work done.

13900K is by nature a nice workstation type of CPU with its 24 cores, when you ignore the insane speed and power consumption it has been pushed to by the manufacturer.

 

[A///]

I also settled on 13600K, I run it stock. IMO it is perfectly adequate CPU for most normal people, and with its 14 cores it can serve even people who sometimes need to get some real work done.

13900K is by nature a nice workstation type of CPU with its 24 cores, when you ignore the insane speed and power consumption it has been pushed to by the manufacturer.

I remember you, but I thought you downgraded because your 13900k was giving off strong plastic smells from your mobo as it heated up?

 

[Kocicak]

I remember you, but I thought you downgraded because your 13900k was giving off strong plastic smells from your mobo as it heated up?

I really do not need any significant computing power, I was just (playing with) testing and examining those CPUs. Now I finally have what matches (or exceeds) my needs and the play time is over.

And yes, 350W power draw does heat up some components on the motherboard.

 

[A///]

I really do not need any significant computing power, I was just (playing with) testing and examining those CPUs. Now I finally have what matches (or exceeds) my needs and the play time is over.

And yes, 350W power draw does heat up some components on the motherboard.

Should have waited and gone with the 7950x3d.

 

[Kocicak]

Should have waited and gone with the 7950x3d.

Why? I just wrote I do not need any significant computing power.

Even the 7800X3D will me much more expensive than my 13600K and for me it could not bring any significant advantage over it.

 

[A///]

Why? I just wrote I do not need any significant computing power.

Even the 7800X3D will me much more expensive than my 13600K and for me it could not bring any significant advantage over it.

The cool factor. It's a practice of a bygone era of extending your needs and affordability to have the latest and greatest.

 

[Hulk]

My 13900K after a month or two started needing 130% power delivery at stock setting with TDP set at anything over 200W. When new it would go to 300W at 100% power. Never overclocked it. Informed Intel and they gave me a full refund.
$250 at my local Microcenter was irresistible considering the fact that Raptor refresh is on the horizon and I want to see what it brings so I didn't want to "invest" in another 13900K

 

[A///]

My 13900K after a month or two started needing 130% power delivery at stock setting with TDP set at anything over 200W. When new it would go to 300W at 100% power. Never overclocked it. Informed Intel and they gave me a full refund.
$250 at my local Microcenter was irresistible considering the fact that Raptor refresh is on the horizon and I want to see what it brings so I didn't want to "invest" in another 13900K

The old saying still holds true. Never buy launch hardware. Although I'm probably going to grab a 2 stick kit of 96 gb ddr5 when I build. Should be mega fun figuring out any issues then on x670e.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Although I'm probably going to grab a 2 stick kit of 96 gb ddr5 when I build.

We live in good times when we can populate just two RAM slots with almost 100GB RAM

 

[A///]

We live in good times when we can populate just two RAM slots with almost 100GB RAM

Limited in speed but that will go up. 4 slots is 192 gb @ 5200. X870 and Z890 will have these from day one. If you need the memory capacity but not the raw performance it's a good deal vs buying into a hedt style or pure hedt system. You can get 96 gb of decent 5600 ddr5 for around $390-430 now. DDR5 prices sunk like rocks the last 8 months.

 

[ondma]

My 13900K after a month or two started needing 130% power delivery at stock setting with TDP set at anything over 200W. When new it would go to 300W at 100% power. Never overclocked it. Informed Intel and they gave me a full refund.
$250 at my local Microcenter was irresistible considering the fact that Raptor refresh is on the horizon and I want to see what it brings so I didn't want to "invest" in another 13900K

What are you expecting from Raptor refresh though?? Raptor itself is already a tweaked AL, and has been pushed to the max. I dont really see any room left for significant improvements for the RL refresh.

 

[Thunder 57]

Limited in speed but that will go up. 4 slots is 192 gb @ 5200. X870 and Z890 will have these from day one. If you need the memory capacity but not the raw performance it's a good deal vs buying into a hedt style or pure hedt system. You can get 96 gb of decent 5600 ddr5 for around $390-430 now. DDR5 prices sunk like rocks the last 8 months.

Don't tell that to Paul Alcorn of Tomshardware. From a recent article (three days ago):

Meanwhile, AMD's decision to support only DDR5 has proven to be a pricing pain point.

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D requires an AM5 motherboard, so pricey DDR5 memory is the only option. Unfortunately, DDR5 continues to be much more expensive than DDR4 memory.

Meanwhile, AMD's decision to support only DDR5 has proven to be a pricing pain point.

That guy is an Intel shill, and reminds me of Tomshardware during the P4 days.

 

[A///]

DDR5 is still more expensive but the price differential is a lot less today than it were a month ago, six months ago, a year ago etc. Intel supporting 2 ram gens adds more complexity where complexity would be better off removed. Everyone's free to stick their bird head into the sand and pretend their semi long term choice was the best even if it's subpar.

 

[Kocicak]

When Alder lake came DDR5 was still very expensive. DDR4 support helped consumers a lot.

 

[Hulk]

What are you expecting from Raptor refresh though?? Raptor itself is already a tweaked AL, and has been pushed to the max. I dont really see any room left for significant improvements for the RL refresh.

I've been wondering the same thing. Apparently Intel believes there is still some gas in the tank with raptor and Intel 7. Since I'm okay with my current CPU, I'm going to wait and see what they bring to the table.

 

[Markfw]

What are you expecting from Raptor refresh though?? Raptor itself is already a tweaked AL, and has been pushed to the max. I dont really see any room left for significant improvements for the RL refresh.

I have to agree. I REALLY want a new design from Intel. I am not trolling, but I am stuck with AMD for now until Intel gets an EFFICIENT and powerful CPU. And not thrilled at all with Hybrid.

 

[A///]

I have to agree. I REALLY want a new design from Intel. I am not trolling, but I am stuck with AMD for now until Intel gets an EFFICIENT and powerful CPU. And not thrilled at all with Hybrid.

Me neither. I've spent ages wondering when Intel engineers began work on their hybrid design. Whether it was when Zen 2 came out and Intel can be one of those companies to speedline a new design if they wanted to or they began before then. in 2015 at hot chips amd revealed zen. I want to say that is when intel began experimenting by dabbling in their hybrid design. in either case the design dabble is a hold over until they get their chipet uarch out there. When that will be is anyone's guess and I'm not taking Pat 'Gunslinger' Gelsinger's words to heart here. He needs to be the steve balmer meme of software developers minus the sweat and zoinked out eyes from illicit drugs. And none of the failed products from the ballmer era.

 

[Exist50]

Me neither. I've spent ages wondering when Intel engineers began work on their hybrid design. Whether it was when Zen 2 came out and Intel can be one of those companies to speedline a new design if they wanted to or they began before then. in 2015 at hot chips amd revealed zen. I want to say that is when intel began experimenting by dabbling in their hybrid design. in either case the design dabble is a hold over until they get their chipet uarch out there. When that will be is anyone's guess and I'm not taking Pat 'Gunslinger' Gelsinger's words to heart here. He needs to be the steve balmer meme of software developers minus the sweat and zoinked out eyes from illicit drugs. And none of the failed products from the ballmer era.

...You honestly think hybrid is still a passing fad?

 

[Kocicak]

...You honestly think hybrid is still a passing fad?

Alder/Raptor lake CPUs would be excellent if not for the process causing energy inneficiency.

They are already very good when not pushed to insane frequencies.

This combination of smaller number of powerfull and larger number of small cores is excellent for an universal PC.

 

[hemedans]

Me neither. I've spent ages wondering when Intel engineers began work on their hybrid design. Whether it was when Zen 2 came out and Intel can be one of those companies to speedline a new design if they wanted to or they began before then. in 2015 at hot chips amd revealed zen. I want to say that is when intel began experimenting by dabbling in their hybrid design. in either case the design dabble is a hold over until they get their chipet uarch out there. When that will be is anyone's guess and I'm not taking Pat 'Gunslinger' Gelsinger's words to heart here. He needs to be the steve balmer meme of software developers minus the sweat and zoinked out eyes from illicit drugs. And none of the failed products from the ballmer era.

Lakefield is as old as Zen 2, so definetely before Zen 2.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Alder/Raptor lake CPUs would be excellent if not for the process causing energy inneficiency.

If not for the process, Intel could probably have had 12-16c Golden Cove/Raptor Cove and been an actual competitor. Hybrid happened because of the process.

 

[Kocicak]

If not for the process, Intel could probably have had 12-16c Golden Cove/Raptor Cove and been an actual competitor. Hybrid happened because of the process.

You get more MT performance per die area using small cores instead of large ones.

 

[Markfw]

You get more MT performance per die area using small cores instead of large ones.

Only if they are certain types of processes.

 

[LightningZ71]

I dare say that hybrid design at Intel has been cooking for at least a decade. It's been a fundamental part of mobile ARM products for at least that long and while we may disrespect Intel from time to time, they're still a staggeringly smart bunch over there and wouldn't disregard a working solution in the industry just because they didn't have a current need for it. Now, on the software side, Windows being the prevailing OS platform in x86 and it having no real scheduler support for hybrid designs on the x86 side of the house until just a few years ago, we have a much more recent focus on making it work. I believe that it took a bit of Microsoft working to get Windows ARM working on the hybrid ARM designs combined with Intel needing to "catch up" for Hybrid x86 Windows to become a thing as opposed to being a more natural progression of the tech.