Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel accidentally confirms entire 14th Gen Core Desktop CPU lineup before launch - VideoCardz.com

Intel confirms Raptor Lake Refresh SKUs Intel (un)intentionally revealed its complete 14th Gen Core desktop lineup in a new document. The Product Change Notification document serves as the customary source of information regarding upcoming alterations to product packaging or potential...

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This isn't new news, but Videocardz has the full lineup of Raptor Lake Refresh. All the way down to a 2+0 "Intel Processor".

 

[HurleyBird]

Not so much if you play Counter Strike 2.

To be fair, CS2 in its current state is a mess, it's getting updated constantly, and drivers are still being optimized for it.

What holds true for CS2 today may or may not in six months.

 

[cebri1]

To be fair, CS2 in its current state is a mess, it's getting updated constantly, and drivers are still being optimized for it.

What holds true for CS2 today may or may not in six months.

Big CS fan here. Runs pretty much like shit, now lag has improved a bit but it's still in a pretty bad state.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Agree, I have a few RPL and ADL rigs too and they have been absolutely rock solid and performant. I really don't get the complaints about the hybrid architecture. There were some early issues but they are very very few and far in between now. I would expect that to only get better in the future.
Garbage software like Denuvo isn't a good argument for why hybrid architecture isn't viable.

DRM sucks and is garbage.

However software that is good like Star Citizen and Counterstrike 2 also have issues which means the hybrid arch is not good.

We have been in SMP world for like 20 years now and the ecosystem is not ready for the most major change in a long while that was unnecessary. Just get more P cores no e-waste cores. AMD is able to do it with similar performing cores why not Intel. Oh cause their node is too big.

 

[DrMrLordX]

However software that is good like Star Citizen

Wait what? Since when was Star Citizen "good"?

 

[Wolverine2349]

Wait what? Since when was Star Citizen "good"?

It runs well and has no issues on any CPUs with no hybrid crap or e-cores off. How is that not fine software?

 

[DrMrLordX]

It runs well and has no issues on any CPUs with no hybrid crap or e-cores off. How is that not fine software?

You SURE you're talking about Star Citizen? I don't think anyone's actually honestly said that "runs well".

 

[igor_kavinski]

At least nine Intel Core i9-14900K CPUs were already sold by German retailer for €685 - VideoCardz.com

Large European retailer has sold nine Core i9-14900K CPUs Intel Raptor Lake Refresh is at this point the worst kept secret in the history of CPU launches. Alternate, one of the largest PC component retailers in Europe, recently committed an error by prematurely selling Intel’s new desktop CPUs...

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Hopefully we should see some benchmarks soon!

 

[ondma]

At least nine Intel Core i9-14900K CPUs were already sold by German retailer for €685 - VideoCardz.com

Large European retailer has sold nine Core i9-14900K CPUs Intel Raptor Lake Refresh is at this point the worst kept secret in the history of CPU launches. Alternate, one of the largest PC component retailers in Europe, recently committed an error by prematurely selling Intel’s new desktop CPUs...

videocardz.com

Hopefully we should see some benchmarks soon!

We pretty well know what the performance will be, except for the 14700k, which gets 4 more e cores. The only question is will there be any improvement in power usage due to slight process or binning improvements.

 

[igor_kavinski]

We pretty well know what the performance will be

Maybe a more refined IMC that allows much easier OC or tighter RAM timings? One can hope.

 

[H433x0n]

Maybe a more refined IMC that allows much easier OC or tighter RAM timings? One can hope.

I’m not expecting much in the way of memory bandwidth improvements.

The memory stability above DDR5-7200 isn’t just dependent on the CPU. A lot of the performance is dependent on the motherboard vendor and the memory IC themselves. Signal reflection is the primary limiting factor once you get to the higher memory speeds.

For anybody installing RPL-R into a Z690 board there will be practically no difference. Same holds true with people using IC’s that aren’t Hynix.

If you’ve got a solid 2-Dimm Z790 motherboard you’ll probably be able to push an extra ~400MTs but that’s probably it.

I don’t think we’ll be moving the needle much until ARL introduces CKD.

 

[Hulk]

Raptor Refresh on Tuesday, right?

Have we ever had 3 generations of Intel processors that run on the same mobo?

I had a 12700K. Then a 13900K. I got a bad part as it was restarting under load without voltage increase. Intel warrantied it. Now I'm running a 13600K, which actually has been quite nice. If pricing is right and it can hit same clocks as 13900K at lower power I might pick up a 14900K at my local MC. This will be the last CPU for this board so I might as well go to the top so I can hold off on another build longer.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel 14th Gen Core 'Raptor Lake Refresh' to maintain 13th Gen pricing, official specs confirmed - VideoCardz.com

Intel Raptor Lake Refresh fully exposed, same price as 13th Gen series Full specs and pricing information on Intel’s next desktop update has been leaked. HD Tecnologia has unveiled the initial slides revealing Intel’s forthcoming series update for the LGA1700 socket. This marks the third...

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Here's the official slides. RCP is the same compared to 13th Gen.

 

[Hulk]

Intel 14th Gen Core 'Raptor Lake Refresh' to maintain 13th Gen pricing, official specs confirmed - VideoCardz.com

Intel Raptor Lake Refresh fully exposed, same price as 13th Gen series Full specs and pricing information on Intel’s next desktop update has been leaked. HD Tecnologia has unveiled the initial slides revealing Intel’s forthcoming series update for the LGA1700 socket. This marks the third...

videocardz.com

Here's the official slides. RCP is the same compared to 13th Gen.

So basically Intel has a better stepping here. They had two options, add a "50" to the number of the 13th gen series or call this a new generation. They chose the latter I assume because they want 14th gen desktop and mobile to launch more or less around the same time.

 

[igor_kavinski]

​	7950X​	7950X3D​	14900KF​	13900KS​	13900K​
Integer Math​	228,193 MOps/Sec​	214,554 MOps/Sec​	219,583 MOps/Sec​	213,857 MOps/Sec​	211,279 MOps/Sec​
Floating Point Math​	139,180 MOps/Sec​	130,149 MOps/Sec​	151,639 MOps/Sec​	156,928 MOps/Sec​	154,471 MOps/Sec​
Find Prime Numbers​	356 Million Primes/Sec​	501 Million Primes/Sec​	268 Million Primes/Sec​	265 Million Primes/Sec​	243 Million Primes/Sec​
Random String Sorting​	102,433 Thousand Strings/Sec​	95,637 Thousand Strings/Sec​	84,188 Thousand Strings/Sec​	93,125 Thousand Strings/Sec​	90,373 Thousand Strings/Sec​
Data Encryption​	49,776 MBytes/Sec​	47,155 MBytes/Sec​	44,390 MBytes/Sec​	48,649 MBytes/Sec​	47,660 MBytes/Sec​
Data Compression​	842,542 KBytes/Sec​	785,435 KBytes/Sec​	721,262 KBytes/Sec​	829,269 KBytes/Sec​	812,358 KBytes/Sec​
Physics​	3,102 Frames/Sec​	5,139 Frames/Sec​	3,733 Frames/Sec​	3,516 Frames/Sec​	3,116 Frames/Sec​
Extended Instructions​	62,383 Million Matrices/Sec​	58,486 Million Matrices/Sec​	42,935 Million Matrices/Sec​	48,928 Million Matrices/Sec​	47,539 Million Matrices/Sec​
Single Thread​	4,312 MOps/Sec​	4,168 MOps/Sec​	4,939 MOps/Sec​	4,764 MOps/Sec​	4,661 MOps/Sec​
Average CPU Mark​	63335​	62653​	59384​	61860​	59696​

 

[igor_kavinski]

PASSMARK SCORES ABOVE ^^^

7950X wins a lot.

7950X3D cache just kills it in Find primes and Physics.

13900KS still claims a win in FP and won't go down without a fight, humiliating 14900KF in quite a few of the tests.

PassMark CPU Benchmarks - Single Thread Performance

Benchmarks of the single thread performance of CPUs. This chart comparing CPUs single thread performance is made using thousands of PerformanceTest benchmark results and is updated daily.

www.cpubenchmark.net

 

[H433x0n]

​	7950X​	7950X3D​	14900KF​	13900KS​	13900K​
Integer Math​	228,193 MOps/Sec​	214,554 MOps/Sec​	219,583 MOps/Sec​	213,857 MOps/Sec​	211,279 MOps/Sec​
Floating Point Math​	139,180 MOps/Sec​	130,149 MOps/Sec​	151,639 MOps/Sec​	156,928 MOps/Sec​	154,471 MOps/Sec​
Find Prime Numbers​	356 Million Primes/Sec​	501 Million Primes/Sec​	268 Million Primes/Sec​	265 Million Primes/Sec​	243 Million Primes/Sec​
Random String Sorting​	102,433 Thousand Strings/Sec​	95,637 Thousand Strings/Sec​	84,188 Thousand Strings/Sec​	93,125 Thousand Strings/Sec​	90,373 Thousand Strings/Sec​
Data Encryption​	49,776 MBytes/Sec​	47,155 MBytes/Sec​	44,390 MBytes/Sec​	48,649 MBytes/Sec​	47,660 MBytes/Sec​
Data Compression​	842,542 KBytes/Sec​	785,435 KBytes/Sec​	721,262 KBytes/Sec​	829,269 KBytes/Sec​	812,358 KBytes/Sec​
Physics​	3,102 Frames/Sec​	5,139 Frames/Sec​	3,733 Frames/Sec​	3,516 Frames/Sec​	3,116 Frames/Sec​
Extended Instructions​	62,383 Million Matrices/Sec​	58,486 Million Matrices/Sec​	42,935 Million Matrices/Sec​	48,928 Million Matrices/Sec​	47,539 Million Matrices/Sec​
Single Thread​	4,312 MOps/Sec​	4,168 MOps/Sec​	4,939 MOps/Sec​	4,764 MOps/Sec​	4,661 MOps/Sec​
Average CPU Mark​	63335​	62653​	59384​	61860​	59696​

These scores look busted - the 14900KF had to have horrible cooling since it's losing to the 13900K in a lot of MT workloads.

 

[ondma]

These scores look busted - the 14900KF had to have horrible cooling since it's losing to the 13900K in a lot of MT workloads.

Yea, something is fishy. No way the 13900ks should be faster than 14900k. That said, I really hate to see Intel going back to this refresh protocol. Looks like they are going to do the same thing for ARL, but maybe they will be able to make more improvement there, since ARL is the first of a new generation.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel Core 14th Gen Unboxing & Preview - Raptor Lake Getting Refreshed

Intel's Core 14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh" processors are launching soon. Today marks the end of the unboxing and preview embargo, and we're excited to share hands-on pictures of the new processors with you. Additionally, we'll discuss the latest technologies and features they bring to the table.

www.techpowerup.com

Found these slides VERY interesting:





Guess Intel should never be under-estimated. They managed to introduce something new even in a boring launch.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel’s 14. Generation as Raptor Lake Refresh in a kind of “Unboxing” | igor´sLAB

Unboxing is actually relatively uncool and also the main or secondary occupation of self-proclaimed influencers. So this is something that usually offers you no nutritional value, not even our readers…

www.igorslab.de

Why the hell does Intel not want the results out? WHAT IS GOING ON???

 

[Hitman928]

Intel’s 14. Generation as Raptor Lake Refresh in a kind of “Unboxing” | igor´sLAB

Unboxing is actually relatively uncool and also the main or secondary occupation of self-proclaimed influencers. So this is something that usually offers you no nutritional value, not even our readers…

www.igorslab.de

Why the hell does Intel not want the results out? WHAT IS GOING ON???

NDA for performance numbers doesn't expire until tomorrow. . .

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wat is dis???

Does this mean Intel Workstation platform is coming out with AVX-512 compatible E-cores?

 

[jpiniero]

It's available to order on Newegg. For reference, they are charging $17 more for the 14600K over the 13600K. And yet the improvement is very minimal based upon clocks.

 

[LightningZ71]

Intel Core 14th Gen Unboxing & Preview - Raptor Lake Getting Refreshed

Intel's Core 14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh" processors are launching soon. Today marks the end of the unboxing and preview embargo, and we're excited to share hands-on pictures of the new processors with you. Additionally, we'll discuss the latest technologies and features they bring to the table.

www.techpowerup.com

Found these slides VERY interesting:

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Guess Intel should never be under-estimated. They managed to introduce something new even in a boring launch.

Well, that should help the MT benchmarks for the 14900k/kf... will be interesting if they extend that tool down the stack or leave it exclusive to those SKUs.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Roman calls this launch boring. He thinks they are missing a trick by not sampling the i7.