Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Racan]

But minimums show big improvements. Maybe it's only 5% faster on average due to GPU bottlenecks.

• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K at 1080p: 27.93% Faster Minimum FPS
• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K at 1440p: 21.83% Faster Minimum FPS
• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K at 2160p: 12.82% Faster Minimum FPS
• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K All Res Min Avg: 20.86% Faster

 

[nicalandia]

A little more gaming oriented test.

Intel Core i9-13900K engineering sample tested in games shows improvement in minimum framerates - VideoCardz.com

Intel Raptor Lake faster in gaming ExtremePlayer shares more benchmark data on Intel’s upcoming Raptor Lake processor. Hardware reviewer recently acquired a sample of Intel 13th Gen Core CPU. This processor featuring 24-cores and 32-threads with unlocked power limits, which basically means it’s...

videocardz.com

Its the same I posted(WCCF Source who linked the same source) 4.8% Boost in gaming performance on all resolution.

 

[nicalandia]

But minimums show big improvements. Maybe it's only 5% faster on average due to GPU bottlenecks.

• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K at 1080p: 27.93% Faster Minimum FPS
• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K at 1440p: 21.83% Faster Minimum FPS
• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K at 2160p: 12.82% Faster Minimum FPS
• Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i9-12900K All Res Min Avg: 20.86% Faster

390Ti bottle necking the 19300K? Yeah right.. The minimums improvements are likely due to larger overall cache like the 5800X3D showed exceptional high minimums.

 

[FangBLade]

Zen 4 have double l2 caches (while RPL shares with e-cores), so that alone should improve minimums significantly, can't wait to see how it scales when combined with 3dcache which alone also significantly improves performance, no doubt that Zen 4-3d will be league above everything else in gaming.

 

[IntelUser2000]

It's about 5% performance boost in gaming(due to higher clocks) than 12900K, But it consumes 53% more power than the 12900K

Yea in the worst case scenario.

 

[nicalandia]

You are misleading again. In games Alderlake uses nowhere near 250W. The gaming test didn't measure power and Raptorlake will be nowhere near 250W nevermind 400W. And I poked holes in your logic in the last post.

Any issue with the statement I posted you take it with the source, not me.

"One interesting comparison that has been made is the power consumption figures where the Intel Core i9-13900K consumes up to 52% higher in games than the Core i9-12900K and an average of 20% higher power consumption across all three resolutions tested"..

Intel Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU Gaming & Synthetic Performance Benchmarks Leaked, 5% Faster Than Core i9-12900K On Average

The first gaming and synthetic performance benchmarks of Intel's Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake 5.5 GHz CPU have been leaked.

wccftech.com

 

[Exist50]

"One interesting comparison that has been made is the power consumption figures where the Intel Core i9-13900K consumes up to 52% higher in games than the Core i9-12900K and an average of 20% higher power consumption across all three resolutions tested"..

That "up to" is a very important detail to leave out of your comment. To the point of being actively misleading. Especially when you quoted the average fps increase.

 

[inf64]

I think that Raptor Lake will not consume much more in games than Alder Lake, there is no gaming workload that will stress it to that extent. It should be a bit faster than Alder Lake but I doubt it will be better than Zen4 (or even worse, Zen4 with Vcache).

 

[JasonLD]

Any issue with the statement I posted you take it with the source, not me.

It's about 5% performance boost in gaming(due to higher clocks) than 12900K, But it consumes 53% more power than the 12900K

This is your statement.

One interesting comparison that has been made is the power consumption figures where the Intel Core i9-13900K consumes up to 52% higher in games than the Core i9-12900K and an average of 20% higher power consumption across all three resolutions tested.

And this is from WCCFtech article. So....yeah, very misleading.

 

[nicalandia]

This is your statement. .

It's technically true for Red dead redemption 2 for performance boost(5% average) and Power consumption. I will edit my post so you lot don't feel that bad

 

[Henry swagger]

Intel Core i5-13600K ES3 "Raptor Lake" 14-core CPU tested in CPU-Z and Cinebench - VideoCardz.com

Intel Core i5-13600K Engineering Sample ‘Three’ Intel’s unreleased Raptor Lake processors are relatively easy to find for Chinese reviewers. Enthusiastic Citizen (ECSM) obtained a sample of Intel’s Core i5-13600K pre-production sample. This particular version is reportedly ES3 (Engineering...

videocardz.com

Crazy multi-core performance for a i5 range.. intel is blessing people with moar cores lol

 

[inf64]

Intel Core i5-13600K ES3 "Raptor Lake" 14-core CPU tested in CPU-Z and Cinebench - VideoCardz.com

Intel Core i5-13600K Engineering Sample ‘Three’ Intel’s unreleased Raptor Lake processors are relatively easy to find for Chinese reviewers. Enthusiastic Citizen (ECSM) obtained a sample of Intel’s Core i5-13600K pre-production sample. This particular version is reportedly ES3 (Engineering...

videocardz.com

Crazy multi-core performance for a i5 range.. intel is blessing people with moar cores lol

So this is basically the same core config as 12700K? I suppose it will clock a bit higher so maybe come close to 5900X in MT performance.

 

[coercitiv]

So this is basically the same core config as 12700K?

The 13600K is 6+8 while 12700K is 8+4.

 

[inf64]

The 13600K is 6+8 while 12700K is 8+4.

My bad, thanks for reminding me. Net effect in MT should be the same though, 1 P core is roughly equal to 2 E cores ( so effectively both act as 10 P core chips).

 

[coercitiv]

Net effect in MT should be the same though, 1 P core is roughly equal to 2 E cores ( so effectively both act as 10 P core chips).

Yeah, they will score similarly in MT, and I expect them to deliver similar gaming performance as well. If the rest of the i5 lineup really does lack freE cores, the 13600K will probably become the best value CPU from Intel.

 

[inf64]

Yeah, they will score similarly in MT, and I expect them to deliver similar gaming performance as well. If the rest of the i5 lineup really does lack freE cores, the 13600K will probably become the best value CPU from Intel.

It depends on the price I guess. If 7800X scores ~30% higher in MT vs 5800X, it should score roughly the same in MT tests as 13600K/12700K. It then becomes the game of better value for money and gaming performance.

 

[coercitiv]

It depends on the price I guess. If 7800X scores ~30% higher in MT vs 5800X, it should score roughly the same in MT tests as 13600K/12700K. It then becomes the game of better value for money and gaming performance.

Sure, but I wasn't comparing with the competition (yet). AMD has more buttons they can push if they want to compete on value, so I'll refrain from guesstimating the market value winner for H2 2022.

 

[poke01]

Sure, but I wasn't comparing with the competition (yet). AMD has more buttons they can push if they want to compete on value, so I'll refrain from guesstimating the market value winner for H2 2022.

Zen4 will be better overall ie win in both pref and efficiency. Intel may take the low end.

IMO Intel won't be on node parity till MTL so yeah.

 

[biostud]

While more performance is always nice, I'm wondering how many users actually has software that benefits from that amount of cores.

 

[FangBLade]

AMD will take gaming crown with 3d versions, and we will need every inch of cpu strength if GPU rumors are true + AM5 platform longevity. Most RPL buyers will be existing ADL users, anyone who build pc from ground won't buy dead end platform, so that will be AMD biggest advantage in addition having gaming crown (you can't have better marketing than gaming crown).

 

[dullard]

Most RPL buyers will be existing ADL users, anyone who build pc from ground won't buy dead end platform

Most buyers by FAR do not build their own PCs. Instead, most buyers get their computers from OEMs and never upgrade CPUs. Therefore, you need another way to prove your claim that most Raptor Lake buyers will be Alder Lake users.

 

[pakotlar]

Intel Core i5-13600K ES3 "Raptor Lake" 14-core CPU tested in CPU-Z and Cinebench - VideoCardz.com

Intel Core i5-13600K Engineering Sample ‘Three’ Intel’s unreleased Raptor Lake processors are relatively easy to find for Chinese reviewers. Enthusiastic Citizen (ECSM) obtained a sample of Intel’s Core i5-13600K pre-production sample. This particular version is reportedly ES3 (Engineering...

videocardz.com

Crazy multi-core performance for a i5 range.. intel is blessing people with moar cores lol

God bless competition.

 

[Hotrod2go]

God bless competition.

You mean competition in a 2 horse race, that's minimalist competition 101.

 

[Zucker2k]

You mean competition in a 2 horse race, that's minimalist competition 101.

Welcome to the x86 universe.

 

[lightmanek]

Welcome to the x86 universe.

Hey, don't forget VIA and Zhaoxin It's 2 horse race + 2 turtles!