Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[RTX2080]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1552165003574546432

Intel is enraged by the Raptor leak.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel is enraged by the Raptor leak.

That's interesting. What are the implications of that?

 

[pakotlar]

That's interesting. What are the implications of that?

Spanking the naughty hackers

 

[DrMrLordX]

Spanking the naughty hackers

Eh

More like

Why would Intel care? Is there something about that leak that really upsets them? They used to leak QS chips all the time as a form of advertising. And it worked, too.

 

[Asterox]

Well, some nice PL2 numbers.

Intel Core i7-13700K and Core i5-13600K tested, higher performance with higher power consumption - VideoCardz.com

Intel 16/14-core Raptor Lake CPUs tested ExtremePlayer from Bilibili has a new video featuring a review of Intel’s upcoming 13th Gen Core CPUs. Following the review of Core i9-13900K, ExtremePlayer is now testing Core i7-13700K 16-core CPU and Core i5-13600K 14-core CPU. Both are part of the...

videocardz.com

 

[nicalandia]

Well, some nice PL2 numbers.

So a 1.4% IPC gain in CBR23?

 

[FangBLade]

This power consumption is exptected, same node, same architecture, more cache and higher clock. Zen 4 will have huge advantage in terms of performance/power consumption, especially 3d versions which in first version showed much better efficiency.

 

[pakotlar]

Can we just wait for reviews?

So a 1.4% IPC gain in CBR23?

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Unless CB23’s working set didnt fit into Alder Lake’s and does in Raptor Lake’s, theres no reason to believe there should be any IPC benefit. As far as we know Raptor Cove == Golden Cove + .75MB L2 cache.

 

[inf64]

Can we just wait for reviews?



Unless CB23’s working set didnt fit into Alder Lake’s and does in Raptor Lake’s, theres no reason to believe there should be any IPC benefit. As far as we know Raptor Cove == Golden Cove + .75MB L2 cache.

It's safe to say now that there will not be any tangible ST IPC improvements despite the larger L2.

 

[FangBLade]

If Intel managed to increase IPC by double digit they would told us, no doubt, but in RPL slide they wrote: up to double digit performance increase (mostly MT because of additional e-cores), so it is understable why AMD dind't use all resources for Zen 4 architecture, 10% IPC gain and going with high clocks route, it will be more than enough for RPL + vcache for gaming crown. Zen 5 will be a beast, and i hope all big cores, i don't like big/little in desktop space.

 

[pakotlar]

If Intel managed to increase IPC by double digit they would told us, no doubt, but in RPL slide they wrote: up to double digit performance increase (mostly MT because of additional e-cores), so it is understable why AMD dind't use all resources for Zen 4 architecture, 10% IPC gain and going with high clocks route, it will be more than enough for RPL + vcache for gaming crown. Zen 5 will be a beast, and i hope all big cores, i don't like big/little in desktop space.

It seems that 2024 is shaping up to be exciting from both vendors.

 

[Zucker2k]

New Raptor Lake ES Core i5 3600k and i7 3700k Gaming tests

 

[pakotlar]

Raptor lake overclocked to 6ghz all core https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-...locked-to-6-ghz-across-all-raptor-cove-cores/

Shaping up to be a great chip

 

[Asterox]

Raptor lake overclocked to 6ghz all core https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-...locked-to-6-ghz-across-all-raptor-cove-cores/

Shaping up to be a great chip

Yes, If you completely ignore the absurd power consumption at 6ghz.

- for optimal performance turn on Romulan cloaking device=CPU power consumption it will disappear

 

[Markfw]

Yes, If you completely ignore the absurd power consumption at 6ghz.

- for optimal performance turn on Romulan cloaking device=CPU power consumption it will disappear

"high end water cooling". So you need chilled water to do it, not compared to Zen 4, and power usage off the chart.

Yea, great under all those circumstances.

 

[Det0x]

New Raptor Lake ES Core i5 3600k and i7 3700k Gaming tests

Dont think these new gaming benchmarks are something to write home about..

13900k = ~12900KS
13700k = ~12900k
13600k = ~12700K

With a ~20% price increase on the gen13 SKU's above we should be right back at todays status que with the same price/performance..

 

[CakeMonster]

DDR4 looks to be doing better with RL than AL.

 

[pakotlar]

Yes, If you completely ignore the absurd power consumption at 6ghz.

- for optimal performance turn on Romulan cloaking device=CPU power consumption it will disappear

It’s similar to Ampere: hungry and fast. We’re crying over an extra 50 watts for up to 50% better MT, but are getting ready to buy 450-600W GPUs.

 

[DrMrLordX]

We’re crying over an extra 50 watts for up to 50% better MT

50%? As if.

 

[pakotlar]

Yes, If you completely ignore the absurd power consumption at 6ghz.

- for optimal performance turn on Romulan cloaking device=CPU power consumption it will disappear

Don’t be absurd. What CPU have you seen hit 8-core 6ghz clocks without exotic cooling? This is a first.

 

[pakotlar]

50%? As if.

You’ll see up to 50% better MT, in fact we’ve already seen better than that in some of the leaks. Why focus on the maximum and imply that I called that the average?

Are you really arguing that 20-50W average is a big price to pay for 8 additional cores and 5-10% higher clocks?

 

[Markfw]

Don’t be absurd. What CPU have you seen hit 8-core 6ghz clocks without exotic cooling? This is a first.

They did not say it, but we saw something similar on chilled water, and they did say "high end water" which wreaks of chilled water. Not impressed until I have more details AND see what Zen 4 does.

Would somebody who remembers what CPU was infamous for the "chilled water incident" remind us ?

Found it : https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,37244.html

Quote from it:
"Intel's recent demonstration of a 28-core processor running at 5GHz has certainly stirred the pot here at Computex, particularly because the presentation appeared to imply this would be a shipping chip with a 5.0GHz stock speed. Unfortunately, it turns out that Intel overclocked the 28-core processor to such an extreme that it required a one-horsepower industrial water chiller. That means it took an incredibly expensive (not to mention extreme) setup to pull off the demo. You definitely won't find this type of setup on a normal desktop PC. "

Sound like a repeat ??????

 

[Thunder 57]

You’ll see up to 50% better MT, in fact we’ve already seen better than that in some of the leaks. Why focus on the maximum and imply that I called that the average?

Are you really arguing that 20-50W average is a big price to pay for 8 additional cores and 5-10% higher clocks?

Have you seen the base clocks go down? The 13700k is rumored to be down 200MHz. Higher boost clocks seem certain, if you can keep them cool enough. More E cores and higher clocks don't come free.

 

[Saylick]

Looks like we have some more data...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1553910359630970880

 

[DrMrLordX]

You’ll see up to 50% better MT, in fact we’ve already seen better than that in some of the leaks.

What? No we haven't. Raptor Lake isn't going to get +50% MT out of just adding 8 Gracemont cores. Even in a best-case scenario.

5.7GHz is pretty good but that power draw, woof. Hard to expect anything else though.