Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Aapje]

Interesting choice of a date.

The date of the Innovation event where this is going to be announced was already set in July.

 

[Zucker2k]

Here's a Geekbench comparison between Non-Retail 13900k and 7950x

https://twitter.com/x/status/1564693418831450112

 

[coercitiv]

Here's a Geekbench comparison between Non-Retail 13900k and 7950x

Is the 7950X from that test a Retail chip?

 

[Zucker2k]

Is the 7950X from that test a Retail chip?

Didn't read it as such: "Non Retail 13900k and 7950x." How did you read it?

 

[coercitiv]

How did you read it?

I read it in the context of the tweet you linked:

Raptor lake is not even in Retail version yet

 

[nicalandia]

Retail 13900 non-K model on Geekbench

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 GAMING X - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 GAMING X with an Intel Core i9-13900 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[cebri1]

Consistent with around 10% increase in single thread performance. Multicore it blows the 12900 out of the water of course.

 

[CakeMonster]

I'd like to at least see someone average the 13900K and 7950X results so far.

 

[nicalandia]

I'd like to at least see someone average the 13900K and 7950X results so far.

Z690 Taichi vs ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

ALSO..


Not much difference between a balls to the wall 12900KS and a 13900 non-K

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 GAMING X vs Z690 AQUA OC - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

 

[nicalandia]

Geekbench FP and INT Scores for 13900K and Ryzen 7950X

 

[nicalandia]

Geekbench results for a stock 13900KF...

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER with an Intel Core i9-13900KF processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[Abwx]

Geekbench FP and INT Scores for 13900K and Ryzen 7950X

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FP generaly scale perfectly with frequency, if there s no FP IPC improvement in RPL then this 13900K is running at 6GHz...

FTR Computerbase dissmissed some Geekbench 13900K submissions with suspiciously high scores as not being correct even if the run was validated by GB..

 

[Zucker2k]

Geekbench results for a stock 13900KF...

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Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER with an Intel Core i9-13900KF processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Balanced Power Plan and DDR5 4800?

 

[nicalandia]

FTR Computerbase dissmissed some Geekbench 13900K submissions with suspiciously high scores as not being correct even if the run was validated by GB..

It should be balanced power plan for both CPUs(So far for AMD we have only seen Balanced Power levels) otherwise if we use High Performance with OC we get this 12900KS Matching the stock 13900K and 13900KF

 

[Det0x]

Balanced Power Plan and DDR5 4800?

Only limited to 253w and no chiller this time

 

[Zucker2k]

Only limited to 253w and no chiller this time

Hehe.

Giiven the fact that AMD is on a far superior node to Intel, and still looking to lose overall performance leadership on the desktop, I believe Intel has done a wonderful job.
Contained in this link is a 13900k at 5500 mhz vs a 7950x at 5738 mhz. Check out the scores.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565265185064882176

 

[Det0x]

Hehe.

Giiven the fact that AMD is on a far superior node to Intel, and still looking to lose overall performance leadership on the desktop, I believe Intel has done a wonderful job.
Contained in this link is a 13900k at 5500 mhz vs a 7950x at 5738 mhz. Check out the scores.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565265185064882176

"13900K and 7950X is selected the best score afaik."

???

Well i can tell you something aint right here



PS agenda is very clear when you decide to compare maxed overclocked 13900k @ over 6ghz with chiller and unlimited powerlimits vs other stock setups (2314/26464 points 13900k)

 

[nicalandia]

Giiven the fact that AMD is on a far superior node to Intel, and still looking to lose overall performance leadership on the desktop

Really? You are basing this on a OC 13900K vs Stock 7950X?

How about both CPUs at Balance Power Plan?

ASUS System Product Name vs Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

 

[Rigg]

Really? You are basing this on a OC 13900K vs Stock 7950X?

How about both CPUs at Balance Power Plan?

ASUS System Product Name vs Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

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That 13900k result must have been done with an EXPO memory kit that is clearly tanking it's performance.

 

[Zucker2k]

Really? You are basing this on a OC 13900K vs Stock 7950X?

How about both CPUs at Balance Power Plan?

ASUS System Product Name vs Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z690 AORUS MASTER - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

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This is exactly the link I was referring to. 5500 mhz vs 5738 mhz.

"13900K and 7950X is selected the best score afaik."

???

Well i can tell you something aint right here

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PS agenda is very clear when you decide to compare maxed overclocked 13900k @ over 6ghz with chiller and unlimited powerlimits vs other stock setups (2314/26464 points 13900k)

Why do you use words like "agenda"? @nicalandia has already posted the chart, I'm merely pointing out to where the scores were derived. The "best" single core score I've seen is 2.3k+, which is clearly derived from a higher clock than 5500 mhz.

Edited for clarity.

 

[nicalandia]

The "best" single core score I've seen is 23k+, which is clearly derived from a higher clock than 5500 mhz.

That's nothing out of the Ordinary, the 12900KS Post that kind of ST performance(not having to reach 6Ghz)

 

[Det0x]

Why do you use words like "agenda"?

Why does Linux score better than Windows in Geekbench5 ?

Its because the windows thread scheduler sucks right ?
Solution = force the benchmark to only run on a single P-core(s) with process lasso affinity

Then you get scores like this:
ST = 2187 points
MT = 2681 points

Then compare against other cpus running the full topology in windows and claim "victory"


Winner of the hwbot Geekbench ST benchmark share some tweaks how to score high ST with alder lake / raptor lake.

Affinity to few cores. I had my GB5 locked to 3 pcores running a hair under 5.5. Ecores were all smashed down as low as possible in hopes of pushing up ring cache. more than 5000, That's why GB5 multi was so low.

And those MT scores looked exactly like that.. Go figure

 

[nicalandia]

Why does Linux score better than Windows in Geekbench5 ?

Its because the windows thread scheduler sucks right ?
Solution = force the benchmark to only run on a single P-core with process lasso affinity

Yeah, that's an outlier. We are currently getting stock performance from 13900, 13900KF and 13900K to make an educated guess on where the Stock CPU will get. Enthusiasts will OC them to their heart's content later.

 

[Zucker2k]

Why does Linux score better than Windows in Geekbench5 ?

Its because the windows thread scheduler sucks right ?
Solution = force the benchmark to only run on a single P-core(s) with process lasso affinity

Then you get scores like this:
ST = 2187 points
MT = 2681 points

Then compare against other cpus running the full topology in windows and claim "victory"
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Winner of the hwbot Geekbench ST benchmark share some tweaks how to score high ST with alder lake / raptor lake.


And those results MT scores looked exactly like that.. Go figure

Are we still talking about an unreleased processor here? Hwbot? Wow.

 

[tamz_msc]

What we know is that a 12900KS running at 5.5 GHz (as evidenced by AdamK47's sample) with 6000 CL30 memory is faster in int but slower in fp than a 7950X with 6000 CL30 memory, but not by a huge amount. Raptor Lake is going to improve on that by a small but noticeable margin.

The fastest ST performance is still going to remain with Intel and Raptor Cove.