Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[nicalandia]

13600K Geekbench5 latest result..

Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/D5 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/D5 with an Intel Core i5-13600K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

13700KF...

Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/D5 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/D5 with an Intel Core i7-13700KF processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[Kocicak]

12600K scores 1858.
13600K only 1914? It is very small difference. It is even lower than change from 4900 to 5100 MHz boost would suggest with the same IPC (1933).

Can 13600K be just renamed Alder lake chip?

 

[inf64]

There is an older 13600K result from July, ST score at around 2000 pts: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/16142924

 

[nicalandia]

12600K scores 1858.
13600K only 1914? It is very small difference. It is even lower than change from 4900 to 5100 MHz boost would suggest with the same IPC (1933).

Can 13600K be just renamed Alder lake chip?

No, it has 6 Raptor Cove cores and 8 Gracemont cores

Here is vs 7700X..

ASUS System Product Name vs Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/D5 - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

 

[biostud]

Slides from Raptor Lake launch

Key Slides from Intel 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" Launch Presentation Leak | TechPowerUp

 

[Just Benching]

12600K scores 1858.
13600K only 1914? It is very small difference. It is even lower than change from 4900 to 5100 MHz boost would suggest with the same IPC (1933).

Can 13600K be just renamed Alder lake chip?

Gb is memory bound. I score 2050 on my 12900k due to memory. Dont pay much attention

 

[eek2121]

Gb is memory bound. I score 2050 on my 12900k due to memory. Dont pay much attention

Source?

 

[coercitiv]

So Igor's Lab awaited 2:00 PM review was for... 2 case fans!

What a troll

 

[nicalandia]

So Igor's Lab awaited 2:00 PM review was for... 2 case fans!

What a troll

Really? What a Cocktease

 

[nicalandia]

You know whats a Cocktease? This dude...

 

[Zucker2k]

Looks promising for Raptor Lake overclocking.

Intel Breaks 8 GHz Frequency After More Than A Decade With LN2 Overclocked Raptor Lake Core i9-13900K CPU

Intel's 13th Gen Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU is going to bring the blue team back into the 8 GHz frequency league after more than a decade.

wccftech.com

 

[nicalandia]

Looks promising for Raptor Lake overclocking.

Intel Breaks 8 GHz Frequency After More Than A Decade With LN2 Overclocked Raptor Lake Core i9-13900K CPU

Intel's 13th Gen Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU is going to bring the blue team back into the 8 GHz frequency league after more than a decade.

wccftech.com

Bulldozer could also do 8Ghz.... So there is that.

6Ghz is more promising though

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2442047-1-1.html

 

[mrtastee]

Word on the street is Intel plans to use old ADL stock for the low-end RPL SKUs (non-K i5s and lower).

If the leaks are true, it seems the only difference between the i3-12100 and i3-13100 (for example) is +100Mhz base clock on the latter (and maybe higher boost). In other words, no added value from RPL IPC improvements.

Seems pretty disingenuous.

 

[nicalandia]

Word on the street is Intel plans to use old ADL stock for the low-end RPL SKUs (non-K i5s and lower).

If the leaks are true, it seems the only difference between the i3-12100 and i3-13100 (for example) is +100Mhz base clock on the latter (and maybe higher boost). In other words, no added value from RPL IPC improvements for these SKUs.

Seems pretty disingenuous.

This has been confirmed on the most recent presentation leaks

 

[mrtastee]

The SKUs in question should not be marketed as RPL.

 

[Just Benching]

Source?

Source for what?

 

[Hotrod2go]

Love to see these benchmarks on Z790 boards.

 

[Kocicak]

Word on the street is Intel plans to use old ADL stock for the low-end RPL SKUs (non-K i5s and lower).

If the leaks are true, it seems the only difference between the i3-12100 and i3-13100 (for example) is +100Mhz base clock on the latter (and maybe higher boost). In other words, no added value from RPL IPC improvements.

Seems pretty disingenuous.

What if these low end processors come with extra cores compared to their predecessors? That would justify renaming, right?

 

[DrMrLordX]

The SKUs in question should not be marketed as RPL.

They probably won't be. They'll share a series with Raptor Lake, but that's it.

 

[nicalandia]

What if these low end processors come with extra cores compared to their predecessors? That would justify renaming, right?

They won't

 

[jpiniero]

They won't

They do have more E cores. The 13500 and 13600 are 6+8 and the 13400 6+4. The i3's look like they are still 4+0.

 

[Panino Manino]

Slides from Raptor Lake launch

Key Slides from Intel 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" Launch Presentation Leak | TechPowerUp

From lagging behind in AVX the situation is that Raptor Lake will ship only with AVX2 and Zen 4 with AVX512? My mind can't process this.

Intel really didn't had a choice here?

 

[jpiniero]

From lagging behind in AVX the situation is that Raptor Lake will ship only with AVX2 and Zen 4 with AVX512? My mind can't process this.

Intel really didn't had a choice here?

Raptor's just a fill in product because of 7 nm delays. They weren't going to do something major like add AVX-512 to the E cores. Although I believe the situation hasn't changed with Meteor either.

 

[biostud]

From lagging behind in AVX the situation is that Raptor Lake will ship only with AVX2 and Zen 4 with AVX512? My mind can't process this.

Intel really didn't had a choice here?

Just like performance/watt, it is only an important parameter if Intel has an edge over the competition.

I guess that Intel can diversify their product stack, and with the heat ADL/RPL already dissipating, then raw performance is more important than AVX512, but also would take up die space. So AVX512 is only present in their Xeon products.

AMD on the other hand uses the same CCD for all their products, so they can't diversify to the same degree.

 

[coercitiv]

but also would take up die space

I'm curious whether AVX512 is still present in Raptor Cove. My gut feeling says yes.