Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[nicalandia]

A gaming benchmark at same tdp? Where has something like this ever been done?

On Unreleased Hardware where AMD does not want to release public data on their final TDP? This was done for the 5900X3D Prototype(at ISO Speed since it was the same Processor)

 

[biostud]

V cache will have lower clocks and low volume

Compared to what? The 7800X3D will have at least the same clock as the 7700X.

Besides the first couple of weeks the 5800X3D has not been short in supply, why should the 7800X3D be different?

 

[nicalandia]

Just been posted by Intel..

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

www.intel.ca

And just in case they take it down.

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

web.archive.org

 

[coercitiv]

How to Read and Understand CPU Benchmarks - Intel

CPU benchmarks are important, but it isn’t always clear what they mean. Learn about some of the most important numbers and features to consider.

www.intel.ca

Real-world benchmarks

Use real-world benchmarks when you have specific plans in mind for your PC and need an accurate indication of performance for particular applications. These tests are performed by giving real programs heavy workloads and then measuring the time it takes to complete. As a result, they provide a reliable preview of system performance when using the same settings.

Some commonly used applications for real-world benchmarking include:

• 7-Zip to measure a CPU’s data compression and decompression speeds.
• Blender to measure a CPU’s 3D rendering speeds.
• Handbrake to measure a CPU’s video encoding speeds.

In-game benchmark tools are another type of real-world test. These are non-interactive scenes that are available in some games. Use in-game benchmarks to check the CPU’s effect on FPS (frames per second) during regular gameplay and also while streaming.

These tests provide a repeatable test environment. As long as your system configuration remains the same, the benchmarks give an accurate reading of the in-game performance you’ll get.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If Intel is so concerned about incorrect interpretation of benchmark results leading to lost business, maybe they should develop their own open source USB/CD bootable benchmark suite that uses open source applications.

 

[Thunder 57]

Just been posted by Intel..

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

www.intel.ca

And just in case they take it down.

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

web.archive.org

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Well that suddenly looks less impressive.

 

[nicalandia]

Well that suddenly looks less impressive.

For the very first time in the last decade AMD will be releasing a Higher Rated Max Boost CPU than the current and upcoming Intel release CPUs.



The link is not dead but was restored with the 12th generation info.

This is the link I saved on Wayback Machine

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

web.archive.org

 

[IEC]

Seems more likely a mistake on the part of (former) Intel Intern.

 

[nicalandia]

Seems more likely a mistake on the part of (former) Intel Intern.

Yes, but the Info is accurate to the T...! As far as Max Rated Boost goes.

 

[eek2121]

Doubt it. We ran some tests with detox, 8 zen 3 cores vs 8 gc cores, the zen 3 cores lost in every wattage. His zen 3 was highly binned and tuned within an inch of its life, i was running my 12900k at default mobo settings 😂

I'm sorry, what? Anything below the 5950x is not a top bin. The 5800X uses more power for lower clocks. The only fair comparison would be 8 cores of a 5950X vs a 12900k with the 8 P-Cores, at equal power. No overclocking, no manual clocks, just simple power limits set to the same.

Anything outside of that will show you nothing about the efficiency of either chip.

EDIT: and in either scenario, you will want to test multithreaded applications, and total power consumption in each. That is why simply running the 12900k and 5950x at similar power limits (142W and below) will tell you far more about the efficiency of both chips.

All of this is meaningless, of course, because Rocket Lake was the competitor to Zen 3, not Alder Lake. Alder Lake launched well after Zen 3. Technically Zen 4 is the competitor to Alder Lake, however...oh boy.

 

[ondma]

I'm sorry, what? Anything below the 5950x is not a top bin. The 5800X uses more power for lower clocks. The only fair comparison would be 8 cores of a 5950X vs a 12900k with the 8 P-Cores, at equal power. No overclocking, no manual clocks, just simple power limits set to the same.

Anything outside of that will show you nothing about the efficiency of either chip.

EDIT: and in either scenario, you will want to test multithreaded applications, and total power consumption in each. That is why simply running the 12900k and 5950x at similar power limits (142W and below) will tell you far more about the efficiency of both chips.

All of this is meaningless, of course, because Rocket Lake was the competitor to Zen 3, not Alder Lake. Alder Lake launched well after Zen 3. Technically Zen 4 is the competitor to Alder Lake, however...oh boy.

AL was not a competitor to Zen 3? Are you serious?? They were literally on sale side by side for months. If that is not "competition" I dont know what is. Actually, until 7xxx and 13xxx are actually available for purchase, they are still competitors.

 

[eek2121]

AL was not a competitor to Zen 3? Are you serious?? They were literally on sale side by side for months. If that is not "competition" I dont know what is. Actually, until 7xxx and 13xxx are actually available for purchase, they are still competitors.

Because AMD did not need anything better to compete. They have literally been sitting on the same CPU for close to 2 years. Intel has launched NUMEROUS new products during that time frame. Ask yourself why.

 

[Zucker2k]

Because AMD did not need anything better to compete. They have literally been sitting on the same CPU for close to 2 years. Intel has launched NUMEROUS new products during that time frame. Ask yourself why.

RKL lasted 6 months! ADL has been competing with Zen 3 for almost twice as many months. Everyone knows RKL was a stop-gap release who's successor was announced even before it was launched.

What was AMD sitting on? They had nothing to fight ADL with. Stop trying to put a spin on this. RKL should've never even been released except for Intel's 10nm issues, and a suitable 10nm SKL successor should've been released even before Zen 3 if 10nm hadn't been so problematic.

Even though Intel should've been on 7nm by now, thankfully, they're still able to remain competitive with RPL, thanks to a very mature 10nm process.

 

[dark zero]

Raptor Lake-N makes no sense because both Alder Lake and Raptor Lake uses Gracemonts as E Cores. So what would the changes between Alder Lake-N and Raptor Lake-N be? Uncore or GPU, at most.

Actually Raptor Lake-N could be more cores. Only that.

 

[Henry swagger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568231095145058304

Elite efficiency of golden cove cores .. golden cove would be even better on intel 4 😃

 

[itsmydamnation]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568231095145058304

Elite efficiency of golden cove cores .. golden cove would be even better on intel 4 😃

no its quadratic nature of voltage. if you want to play funny games like that do it with both CPU's and see where they end up.

 

[tamz_msc]

For the very first time in the last decade AMD will be releasing a Higher Rated Max Boost CPU than the current and upcoming Intel release CPUs.

Vishera would like a word.

 

[deasd]

Just been posted by Intel..

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

www.intel.ca

And just in case they take it down.

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

web.archive.org

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What...... after all it is 100Mhz lower than 12900KS??? Very interesting to see what mode would be used in review. If it's only normal turbo and no TVB or TBM being used it's just 5.4Ghz....

 

[tamz_msc]

What...... after all it is 100Mhz lower than 12900KS??? Very interesting to see what mode would be used in review. If it's only normal turbo and no TVB or TBM being used it's just 5.4Ghz....

He is misleading you with those figures. P-Core Max frequency is 5.2 GHz for the 12900KS. So the 13900K is having a P-Core Max frequency that is 0.2 GHz higher than the 12900KS.

Intel® Core™ i9-12900KS Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.50 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Core™ i9-12900KS Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.50 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

 

[Zucker2k]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568231095145058304

Elite efficiency of golden cove cores .. golden cove would be even better on intel 4 😃

If indeed ADL is able to overcome a 500 Mhz deficit in CB R23 single core test, there'll be no contest, core for core, between RPL and Zen 4. Even the 13600k with its reported 5.1 GHz should have no trouble beating the mid-range 7700x and maybe, even the 7900x single score in this particular benchmark.

Geekbench without crypto scores should also be interesting, and there are scattered posts on Reddit and elsewhere where some users are struggling to buy the 2205 single core AMD's slide shows the 7600x to attain. Interesting times ahead. Not too long now, thankfully.

 

[deasd]

He is misleading you with those figures. P-Core Max frequency is 5.2 GHz for the 12900KS. So the 13900K is having a P-Core Max frequency that is 0.2 GHz higher than the 12900KS.

Intel® Core™ i9-12900KS Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.50 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Core™ i9-12900KS Processor (30M Cache, up to 5.50 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

THX, looks like the 12900KS benched in various clocks and not 5.5Ghz all the time....I was misleaded by Intel.
If this rule still kicks in the 13900k would be benched <5.7Ghz......

 

[Henry swagger]

If indeed ADL is able to overcome a 500 Mhz deficit in CB R23 single core test, there'll be no contest, core for core, between RPL and Zen 4. Even the 13600k with its reported 5.1 GHz should have no trouble beating the mid-range 7700x and maybe, even the 7900x single score in this particular benchmark.

Geekbench without crypto scores should also be interesting, and there are scattered posts on Reddit and elsewhere where some users are struggling to buy the 2205 single core AMD's slide shows the 7600x to attain. Interesting times ahead. Not too long now, thankfully.

True.. raptor lake i3 and i5's will sell the most and bring most value in the matket

 

[Henry swagger]

This is how intel can hit over 6ghz on intel 7 aka 10nm.. higher drive current faster electrons with a higher control superfin in the gate 🙂

 

[igor_kavinski]

This is how intel can hit over 6ghz on intel 7

If they can do that at 125W, sign me up!

 

[uzzi38]

Just been posted by Intel..

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

www.intel.ca

And just in case they take it down.

How to Choose a Gaming CPU - Intel

There are a lot of options out there when it comes to gaming CPUs. Knowing what features to look for can help you find the right one.

web.archive.org

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That's the max clock all P cores can achieve at stock. The 5.7GHz previously rumoured is for a single core (Turbo Boost 3.0) and the 5.8GHz is with a stage of Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) on top.

It's as expected overall.