Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[tamz_msc]

Why do you discredit Anandtech gaming review? It's a valid benchmark

Look how the little 7600X beat the entire ADL line at gaming on 480P

It's over 50% performance boost.
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480p. Really? And in Civilization is a game where absolute raw FPS matters little.

 

[Asterox]

Yes it - the 7700X - competes with the 12700K at $399. I would not give much credence to AT's gaming benchmarks. And no, the 7600X does not beat the 12700K in productivity.

Photoshop lawyers will invite you to their office. Prepare your credit card, and just be brave.

 

[inf64]

7700X vs 12700K (average perf,)

ST : 7700X is 8% faster
MT: 7700X is about equal (1% faster than intel part)
Gaming: 7700X is 9% faster

It's clear that CPU wise, 7700X is the superior part. The problem is the platform cost and this should be improved with mid tier boards launching next month

 

[tamz_msc]

Photoshop lawyers will invite you to their office. Prepare your credit card, and just be brave.

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Good. Now look at Premiere Pro. We can play the cherry-picking game all day.

7700X vs 12700K (average perf,)

ST : 7700X is 8% faster
MT: 7700X is about equal (1% faster than intel part)
Gaming: 7700X is 9% faster

It's clear that CPU wise, 7700X is the superior part. The problem is the platform cost and this should be improved with mid tier boards launching next month

With default memory speeds. Watch the 12700K close that gap with any decent XMP kit.

 

[nicalandia]

It's LIVE...

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html

 

[Asterox]

Good. Now look at Premiere Pro. We can play the cherry-picking game all day.

It is not red, if you look at details and why there is such a difference at Premiere Pro.

Photoshop is CPU only test, or Singlethread test and it just shows you the stronger side of Zen 4 progress.

"Premiere Pro is unfortunately one of the worst applications we tested for AMD, as they struggle to keep up with the Intel Core 12th Gen processors. This doesn't mean that AMD Ryzen 7000 processors are always a bad choice for Premiere Pro, but rather that you have to be aware of the strengths and weaknesses of Ryzen and plan accordingly.

The main issue is that many Intel Core processors (specifically those that have an iGPU) include a technology called Quick Sync that can be used for hardware decoding and encoding of H.264 and HEVC codecs. In the case of Premiere Pro, Quick Sync tends to give higher performance than using the GPU for decoding, but it also allows for a wider range of codecs to be used. In fact, the performance is so much higher that it tends to skew the Overall Score in our benchmark, and we are likely going to have to adjust how we calculate the scoring in future versions to weight the results more evenly across various codec types".

AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Processors Content Creation Review

AMD has launched their new Ryzen 7000 Series desktop processors (code-named "Raphael") based on the latest Zen 4 architecture. These CPUs support DDR5 and PCIe 5.0, with up to 16 cores with a peak clock speed of 5.7 GHz. Along with the increased frequencies and DDR5 support, AMD has touted a 13%...

www.pugetsystems.com

 

[nicalandia]

Why is this Empty?

 

[moinmoin]

It's LIVE...

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html

Will the audience stay this empty?

 

[nicalandia]

 

[Schmide]

Mom jeans and knee pushups. This is going to be awesome

 

[nicalandia]

Pat feeling Strong about Innovation day and doing Push Ups..

 

[Hitman928]

Pat feeling Strong about Innovation day and doing Push Ups..

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If nothing else, Intel will be secure in taking the cringe crown.

 

[Carfax83]

7700X vs 12700K (average perf,)

ST : 7700X is 8% faster
MT: 7700X is about equal (1% faster than intel part)
Gaming: 7700X is 9% faster

It's clear that CPU wise, 7700X is the superior part. The problem is the platform cost and this should be improved with mid tier boards launching next month

The 7700x has significantly higher boost clocks than the 12700K remember. Alder Lake has an IPC advantage, which Raptor Lake will inherit and improve upon with more cache in addition to higher clock speeds and double the efficiency cores.

Raptor Lake 13600K and 13700K is going to trounce their equivalent Zen 4 parts in gaming and productivity.

 

[inf64]

The 7700x has significantly higher boost clocks than the 12700K remember. Alder Lake has an IPC advantage, which Raptor Lake will inherit and improve upon with more cache in addition to higher clock speeds and double the efficiency cores.

Raptor Lake 13600K and 13700K is going to trounce their equivalent Zen 4 parts in gaming and productivity.

What are the gaming and productivity equivalent Zen 4 parts to 13600K and 13700K?

13600K will be about equal to 7700X in productivity, and lose the ST and gaming (easily).

13700K should win against 7700X in productivity but lose in ST and tie it in gaming. Also, 13700K will lose in about everything against 7900X (which beats 12900K in about everything).

 

[Hitman928]

Alder Lake has an IPC advantage

What are you basing this on? In Anandtech's review, in the SPEC 1T section, they call out the 7950x as the IPC leader though they don't show exactly how they calculated this. I haven't really seen any other real IPC comparison yet.

AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X and Ryzen 5 7600X Review: Retaking The High-End

www.anandtech.com

 

[Schmide]

Is it just me. Is the audio going up and down ?

 

[Hitman928]

Is it just me. Is the audio going up and down ?

No problem for me.

 

[nicalandia]

I haven't really seen any other real IPC comparison yet.

This one, but it's kinda flawed when you see Zen3 so close to ADL and Zen4

 

[Hitman928]

This one, but it's kinda flawed when you see Zen3 so close to ADL and Zen4

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Yeah, I saw that, but I don't really consider a single test a real IPC comparison. Especially one that's a bit dated at this point.

 

[Panino Manino]

This one, but it's kinda flawed when you see Zen3 so close to ADL and Zen4

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Cinebench 15 is worthy something today?
Because on that chart Zen 4 has higher IPC but despite also having higher clock this time it doesn't really always beat Alder Lake.

 

[inf64]

Regarding IPC we have a test from Raichu:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1569904688933531649

Spec is regarded as the industry standard IPC test.
IPC difference is negligible between all three (Zen 4, GC and Raptor Cove). What is the important part is integer and there we have a virtual tie.

 

[Schmide]

I have that book. Never knew pat co-wrote it.

 

[inf64]

I found a better in-depth IPC test : https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/568419115

Zen 4 shows clear advantage over Golden Cove in SPEC 2017 integer test (need to scroll down to the middle of the page). FP is about equal.

 

[Schmide]

Yay they used the word foveros chiplet

 

[eek2121]

AT gaming benchmarks are a joke. Everybody here knows it. But that was not your original point. Your original point was that the 12700K is beaten by the 7600X as per AT. You know it to be false.

Just because AT benchmarks don't align with your views does not mean that they are a joke. They are perfectly valid. The only flaw they have is that they use a dated GPU and do not regularly update the GPU and/or results.