Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[cebri1]

The better chip getting less press:

Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

www.techpowerup.com

Pretty much, very close to the 13900K is gaming performance and with 20 threads more than enough to do productivity/encoding tasks. Should be a very popular chip.

 

[Kocicak]

If you are buying 13900K Just to game and avoid high power consumption... Then you are doing it wrong. Get a 13600K...

With 13900K you are getting better silicone. For gaming I would set my CPU with max multiplier 60x best P cores / 59 or 58x other P cores, limit power draw to the level manageable by my cooling solution, as 200W. That way you would get much higher gaming performance than what you could ever get out of 13600K.

EDIT: I found out that not all my P cores are up to 5.8 GHz, so far they seem stable at 5.7.

 

[TheELF]

Der8auer video with the 13900k at the same 90W "eco mode" as the 7950x.
Turns out they are pretty much exactly matched other than games where the intel chip can have a lead depending on the game.
He also goes farther and finds the most efficient settings for the 13900k.

 

[HurleyBird]

Wow, the AT review is pretty bad. Multiple times where the graph results aren't quite lining up with the narration, and I'm pretty sure the the labels of 5xxx and 7xxx Ryzen parts were swapped in a bunch of the gaming graphs.

 

[nicalandia]

Wow, the AT review is pretty bad. Multiple times where the graph results aren't quite lining up with the narration, and I'm pretty sure the the labels of 5xxx and 7xxx Ryzen parts were swapped in a bunch of the gaming graphs.

AT has gone to the Dogs ever since Dr. Ian Cutress left the place.

 

[Hitman928]

Wow, the AT review is pretty bad. Multiple times where the graph results aren't quite lining up with the narration, and I'm pretty sure the the labels of 5xxx and 7xxx Ryzen parts were swapped in a bunch of the gaming graphs.

Same type of stuff happened with their ADL review where there were clearly errors in some of the graphs. The problem is, Anandtech has established this very automated test sequence which is great for getting through a bunch of tests without needing to spend a lot of time actually running them, but it introduces a lot of opportunity for things to go wrong, either in the tests themselves, or in how the data is organized/formatted at the end. It seems that they are lacking in having someone verify the results they are getting for each test.

 

[trivik12]

Its great Raptor Lake can be way more efficient than Alder Lake despite being on Intel 7. Do we know what they did on "7 ultra"?

That said I wish default setting for these cpus focused on efficiency and letting users go berserk if they have proper cooling and want performance at the cost of efficiency.

 

[ondma]

Wow, the AT review is pretty bad. Multiple times where the graph results aren't quite lining up with the narration, and I'm pretty sure the the labels of 5xxx and 7xxx Ryzen parts were swapped in a bunch of the gaming graphs.

Well, at least they finally upgraded their gpu to top of the line last gen. Still behind though since most sites are using 4090 now. Not sure why they even bother with 720p or lower res. 1080p is easily cpu limited in most cases with the latest cards.

 

[jpiniero]

The better chip getting less press:

Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

www.techpowerup.com

Pretty interesting. Compubase also got a 27% improvement compared to the 12600K.

 

[nicalandia]

The Power of the Sun, in the Palm of My Hand....

https://xanxogaming.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-13900k-review-en-espanol/

 

[eek2121]

Its great Raptor Lake can be way more efficient than Alder Lake despite being on Intel 7. Do we know what they did on "7 ultra"?

That said I wish default setting for these cpus focused on efficiency and letting users go berserk if they have proper cooling and want performance at the cost of efficiency.

Efficient? The chip pulls 300 watts at stock. It is less efficient than ADL-S. To quote Gamer's Nexus, it is the 'least efficient CPU' they've tested in recent times. Sure, you can manually set limits, but out of the box it is extremely inefficient.

Intel needs to get it's act together.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

13600K is a great CPU against which AMD doesn't really have a direct competitor.
AMD will have to lower the prices for 7600X and 7700X, they are just too expensive for what you get, and let's not talk about the whole platform cost, but at least It can be upgraded later with a newer CPU.

 

[TheELF]

That said I wish default setting for these cpus focused on efficiency and letting users go berserk if they have proper cooling and want performance at the cost of efficiency.

There are no default settings for CPUs...
Intel shows you the settings they allow under warranty on their ark pages and everything above that is mobo makers going berserk because they know that most users have no idea what they are doing.
These are K CPUs, they are unlocked and they can take a lot of punishment and mobo makers take full advantage of that.

Efficient? The chip pulls 300 watts at stock. It is less efficient than ADL-S. To quote Gamer's Nexus, it is the 'least efficient CPU' they've tested in recent times. Sure, you can manually set limits, but out of the box it is extremely inefficient.

Intel needs to get it's act together.

The intel box only has a CPU in it...out of the box you only have a CPU lying on your desk.

 

[witeken]

Efficient? The chip pulls 300 watts at stock. It is less efficient than ADL-S. To quote Gamer's Nexus, it is the 'least efficient CPU' they've tested in recent times. Sure, you can manually set limits, but out of the box it is extremely inefficient.

Intel needs to get it's act together.

Actually, Raptor Lake on Intel 7 is just as efficient as as Zen 4 on N5.

TSMC/AMD need to get their act together.

 

[ondma]

tjmax in under 20secs. LOL.

Insane I agree, but AMD essentially is running "tJmax" by default, no? since they base frequency on temperature. I think we have to wait till the reviews settle out to evaluate temps on RL. No question that RL uses too much power, but the TPU review is one of the worst for temps.

 

[ondma]

Intel is more impressive on the same node.. meteor lake will be even bigger jump 😁

Not so sure about that. It should definitely be more efficient, but may not increase absolute performance on the desktop, or actually be a regression.

 

[Markfw]

Actually, Raptor Lake on Intel 7 is just as efficient as as Zen 4 on N5.

TSMC/AMD need to get their act together.
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How can that be ? The 3 most efficient chips in your graph at the Zen 3,2,4 chips with 16 cores, while the worst is the 11900k,11700k,12900k, and the 13900k as the worst 4 !

What planet are you from ?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

ComputerBase made a comparison table of MT performance, they also have a chart there.

Raptor does a pretty decent job at 45W, what a shame that 13600K is not included.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Feeling more and more secure in my decision to pick up a 5800X3D for $300.

From a gaming perspective, this entire gen is kinda a bust. Maybe the hardware is just starting to outstrip the software. If you're on a budget, pick up a last gen part.

7700x3D should regain the top gaming spot without much issue in the next few months.

 

[Asterox]

Actually, Raptor Lake on Intel 7 is just as efficient as as Zen 4 on N5.

TSMC/AMD need to get their act together.
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Do you now what is Cinebench, and what is Blender?

- Cinebench, just a useless benchmark if you didn't buy Cinema 4D

- Blender is free, and is often used for professional use

 

[HurleyBird]

ComputerBase made a comparison table of MT performance, they also have a chart there.
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Raptor does a pretty decent job at 45W, what a shame that 13600K is not included.

Very interesting chart, thanks for sharing.

Reversal at 45W is a bit of a surprise, but makes sense when you consider the idle power consumption penalty for chiplets. Dragon Range vs. Raptor Lake might actually be an interesting fight in the desktop replacement space (although personally I have approximately 0 interest in 45W+ laptop CPUs).

 

[Markfw]

Do you now what is Cinebench, and what is Blender?

- Cinebench, just a useless benchmark if you didn't buy Cinema 4D

- Blender is free, and is often used for professional use



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So let me summarize. the 7950x is 10% faster than the 13900k at this task, and twice as efficient ? Again, last place in efficiency. No idea where witeken gets his conclusion. Maybe he is from another solar system.

 

[blckgrffn]

Feeling more and more secure in my decision to pick up a 5800X3D for $300.

From a gaming perspective, this entire gen is kinda a bust. Maybe the hardware is just starting to outstrip the software. If you're on a budget, pick up a last gen part.

7700x3D should regain the top gaming spot without much issue in the next few months.

Fist bump on this take.

I don't encode or run distributed computing projects on my PC, so my 5800X3D feels fast enough at normal stuff and provides really solid minimum FPS in games.

My take on both Raptor Lake & Zen 4: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Raptor Lake simply took the motherboard power limit shenanigans and turned it up to 11. Yay.

Zen Master tuning keeps your boards power capabilities in mind (right?) - is there any similar "intelligence" on the Intel side or is melting the power delivery circuits on your board doing the CPU equivalent of Furmark a real concern?

If I was building a new gaming PC for someone today, I'd still choose the 5800X3D. AM5 will mature, and the bestest CPUs for Z790 chipset boards are already released. Looks like 2023 things might change? We'll see.

 

[ondma]

Actually, Raptor Lake on Intel 7 is just as efficient as as Zen 4 on N5.

TSMC/AMD need to get their act together.
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Fist bump on this take.

I don't encode or run distributed computing projects on my PC, so my 5800X3D feels fast enough at normal stuff and provides really solid minimum FPS in games.

My take on both Raptor Lake & Zen 4: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Raptor Lake simply took the motherboard power limit shenanigans and turned it up to 11. Yay.

Zen Master tuning keeps your boards power capabilities in mind (right?) - is there any similar "intelligence" on the Intel side or is melting the power delivery circuits on your board doing the CPU equivalent of Furmark a real concern?

If I was building a new gaming PC for someone today, I'd still choose the 5800X3D. AM5 will mature, and the bestest CPUs for Z790 chipset boards are already released. Looks like 2023 things might change? We'll see.

There is an XTU tuning utility for Intel. I dont know what it allows you to set because I have an older system and cant use it. That said, should be simple enough to adjust the power limits in the bios. I agree with an earlier poster though, who said Intel should have made the MB manufacturers enforce the power limits and then allowed someone who wanted max performance to remove them, much like overclocking. They might have saved themselves some flack about power usage.

 

[ondma]

Actually, Raptor Lake on Intel 7 is just as efficient as as Zen 4 on N5.

TSMC/AMD need to get their act together.
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Source?????