Ray Rice Cut By Ravens

[TheFamilyMan]

This whole Janay Rice outrage bit is nothing more than scripted, planned execution on the Rice family's part. Her marrying him shortly after the original story broke was done for the sole reason that a wife can't be forced to testify against a husband...a financee, well another story.

Her faux outrage now is just another scripted move by Ray and his lawyers/consultants. She's not outraged at anything other than her abusive husband being outed and, quite possibly, not being able to continue bringing in the millions she's become used to. Sure, he's made $25M but she, and everyone else knows, it will be gone quickly. If he's not back in uniform soon, her lifestyle will quickly get hard and complicated and she may have to work for a living...*gasp*.

It is in her best interest on two fronts here...1 - she still plays like she had something to do with all this so the heat on Ray isn't so bad so she's not cold-cocked again (not sure this one will work anymore...if it even worked the first time) 2 - if, by some miracle, he is reinstated, millions roll in again and she gets to keep living the good life.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

To be fair, this happened in Atlantic City.

That's different. Things in New Jersey ooze out and infect the rest of the country like a rampaging herd of orange-tinted Snookie cooties.

 

[squarecut1]

Who is worshiping him now?

And why this?

Ravens plan to offer Ray Rice jersey exchange; Nike also drops Rice

The opposite of what you think is actually happening.

Are some fans really this naive? Do you not realize that all this is only after the graphic video has come out, and it is nothing but forced by circumstances PR exercise.

Now, before this:

"I stand behind Ray (Rice) – he's a heck of a guy," Coach Harbaugh said July 24

Yes, heck of a guy, because he makes millions for you.

And the fans cheered him throughout. This from July

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The Ravens had an open practice at their home stadium on Monday night, and Rice heard loud cheers from the fans in attendance. Rice was twice shown on the big screen, and both times he got enthusiastic ovations, according to Jamison Hensley of ESPN.com. Rice tapped his chest to show his appreciation as he soaked in the applause.

Many fans wore Rice jerseys, and several Rice jerseys were spotted on women and children.
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[squarecut1]

What kind of parents would let children wear jersey of someone who beats women?

As I've said before. Forget the govt, the politicians, the greedy businessmen and all. This country is being dragged to the gutter by its own people, the general population.

 

[Bird222]

Because, had that actually happened, the story would have been "we were in an altercation and I pushed her, she hit her head, and you can see me dragging her to help."

Plus, as one of my early posts stated, even suggesting that a women can attack and man and he is allowed to retaliate has been likened to suggesting a women's clothing is responsible for her rape. People don't understand that in some scenarios, the aggressor can be the women. Now, it is clear in this case, that wasn't the issue. I could have understood if his girlfriend had actually attacked him and he simply overreacted and on reflex hit her.

The problem with the suspension is all sources are saying the NFL had access to all the tapes, not just the outside one. TMZ was able to obtain them, why couldn't the NFL? I am going to go out on a limb and say they are more powerful of an organization than TMZ...

Goodell is just self serving in this case. It became bad publicity, so he reacted and banned Ray Rice. Had this video never surfaced on TV, nobody would give a shit. And that is the real problem. The NFL doesn't care about player conduct as much as it cares about public opinion and harming their brand. They are willing to let tons things go, so long as the public isn't made aware.

Also, I have to agree with the Raven's player who is saying the news networks shouldn't have this video on repeat. After I watched it online, I saw it on TV quite a few times. I can't imagine that is easy for the victim to watch.

I just want to be clear that I am not defending Rice. However, it looked like is fiance was about to attack him to me. She had already hit him out of the elevator. Just think for a minute, if a guy had previously hit Rice and then charged at him for a second attack and Rice clocked him we wouldn't be talking about this. Maybe that's why the DA didn't pursue charges.

 

[smackababy]

I just want to be clear that I am not defending Rice. However, it looked like is fiance was about to attack him to me. She had already hit him out of the elevator. Just think for a minute, if a guy had previously hit Rice and then charged at him for a second attack and Rice clocked him we wouldn't be talking about this. Maybe that's why the DA didn't pursue charges.

The DA didn't pursue charges because he is a shitty DA. The original arresting jurisdiction sent the case to a grand jury for evaluation, as usually happens in cases with famous people. They then returned a felony charge of spousal abuse against Ray Rice. The fact the DA accepted the first timer offense proposed by Rice's attorney is bullshit. Plain and simple.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I just want to be clear that I am not defending Rice. However, it looked like is fiance was about to attack him to me. She had already hit him out of the elevator. Just think for a minute, if a guy had previously hit Rice and then charged at him for a second attack and Rice clocked him we wouldn't be talking about this. Maybe that's why the DA didn't pursue charges.

That's right, we wouldn't be talking about this if Ray Rice had hit a man. But as he chose to assault a woman half his size it becomes a perfectly fair topic. I guess if Ray doesn't want us to talk about it he should stop hitting women. Problem solved, look how simple it was.

And maybe the DA didn't pursue charges because it became clear the victim would not cooperate in the prosecution and the perp married her so she couldn't be forced to testify against him. So it would be a waste of time trying for a conviction that would be almost impossible to get.

 

[Bird222]

That's right, we wouldn't be talking about this if Ray Rice had hit a man. But as he chose to assault a woman half his size it becomes a perfectly fair topic. I guess if Ray doesn't want us to talk about it he should stop hitting women. Problem solved, look how simple it was.

And maybe the DA didn't pursue charges because it became clear the victim would not cooperate in the prosecution and the perp married her so she couldn't be forced to testify against him. So it would be a waste of time trying for a conviction that would be almost impossible to get.

What's simple is EVERYBODY needs to stop hitting ANYBODY. We are overly focused on men hitting women. Don't get me wrong it is especially cringe worthy for me to watch too, but laws/justice should not be based on our emotions. We shouldn't dole out extra punishment because a man hit a woman.

 

[Phoenix86]

You guys kicking around the legality need to consider one thing: Ray Rice accepted a plea deal. Debating the legality is mental masturbation.

What I'm wondering is: Why the additional penalty? If you want to asses a new penalty why not use the new guidelines?

The new video revealed nothing new. Rice admitted to hitting her, we knew she was knocked out from the hit. What did people expect to see in the video? It's exactly what I expected to see.

There are new guidelines released for this exact case. Why isn't Ray Rice being punished under the new guidelines? Half a season off or whatever. He's basically being punished as a second offender.

Bonus question I heard on the radio: Why doesn't the NFL have a rehab program?

Just because I question these things doesn't mean I approve of what he did, at all.

 

[smackababy]

That's right, we wouldn't be talking about this if Ray Rice had hit a man. But as he chose to assault a woman half his size it becomes a perfectly fair topic. I guess if Ray doesn't want us to talk about it he should stop hitting women. Problem solved, look how simple it was.

And maybe the DA didn't pursue charges because it became clear the victim would not cooperate in the prosecution and the perp married her so she couldn't be forced to testify against him. So it would be a waste of time trying for a conviction that would be almost impossible to get.

The thing is, she didn't really hit him. If a women slapping you after you spit on her and then coming towards you after you slap her again is grounds to hit her in the jaw, well, then I suppose I am incorrect. And, let's be honest, his GF isn't Ronda Rousey. She wasn't coming to kick his ass, nor could she.

Had she actually started attacking Solange style, I'd be far more sympathetic. But, she didn't.

 

[Stopsignhank]

You're a despicable piece of shit.

I'm starting to like you.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Are some fans really this naive? Do you not realize that all this is only after the graphic video has come out, and it is nothing but forced by circumstances PR exercise.

Now, before this:

"I stand behind Ray (Rice) – he's a heck of a guy," Coach Harbaugh said July 24

Yes, heck of a guy, because he makes millions for you.

And the fans cheered him throughout. This from July

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The Ravens had an open practice at their home stadium on Monday night, and Rice heard loud cheers from the fans in attendance. Rice was twice shown on the big screen, and both times he got enthusiastic ovations, according to Jamison Hensley of ESPN.com. Rice tapped his chest to show his appreciation as he soaked in the applause.

Many fans wore Rice jerseys, and several Rice jerseys were spotted on women and children.
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And then the video came out. Not sure if you're dense or trolling.

 

[edro]

I'm starting to like you.

Where did you quote that from?

 

[Phoenix86]

And maybe the DA didn't pursue charges because it became clear the victim would not cooperate in the prosecution and the perp married her so she couldn't be forced to testify against him. So it would be a waste of time trying for a conviction that would be almost impossible to get.

You don't need her to cooperate when you have video like that. You can certainly prosecute w/o her. The reason you want her side of the story is generally because there isn't evidence.

I didn't think about the whole marriage and forced testimony... On the surface an argument that she hitched on to the wrong truck, the doubled down with the marriage, and lost. It's possible she was protecting her financial interests.

Emphasis for reasons.

 

[squarecut1]

I have in the past volunteered for women who have been abused. I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I know a little bit.

Almost always, the men who are physically violent towards women have far deeper issues. A deep sickness, of which hitting of women is only one symptom and in a lot of cases, not even the worst symptom by any means. It is not like ...guy gets angry...and smack! While there is no universal definition of normal, these are typically really messed up people.

 

[moonbogg]

She hit him first outside the elevator. Everyone who watched the video knows this.

 

[Phoenix86]

She hit him first outside the elevator. Everyone who watched the video knows this.

This is relevant how exactly?

:hmm:

 

[edro]

I have in the past volunteered for women who have been abused. I am by no means an expert on this topic, but I know a little bit.

Almost always, the men who are physically violent towards women have far deeper issues. A deep sickness, of which hitting of women is only one symptom and in a lot of cases, not even the worst symptom by any means. It is not like ...guy gets angry...and smack! While there is no universal definition of normal, these are typically really messed up people.

This is almost a direct quote from sports radio today (Maddog or ESPN).

 

[smackababy]

It seems like a few women who have been in similar situations (physically abusive relationships) have come forward and said what Janay is doing is typical. Rice has pretty much convinced her she was to blame for his entire abusive nature (not just the elevator incident), so her coming to his defense is "normal".

I think the Players Association is going to get his ban appealed / lessened. I don't think any teams will sign him for awhile though.

 

[Stopsignhank]

Where did you quote that from?

Post 173 of this thread. Page 7.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36694268&postcount=173

 

[squarecut1]

This is almost a direct quote from sports radio today (Maddog or ESPN).

I don't listen or watch sports talk. Heck I don't even watch much of NFL or NBA. My sports is tennis, which unfortunately is on the decline in America

 

[nehalem256]

It seems like a few women who have been in similar situations (physically abusive relationships) have come forward and said what Janay is doing is typical. Rice has pretty much convinced her she was to blame for his entire abusive nature (not just the elevator incident), so her coming to his defense is "normal".

I think the Players Association is going to get his ban appealed / lessened. I don't think any teams will sign him for awhile though.

Something like 2/3 relationships in which the man is physically abusive the woman is also physically abusive.

Its pretty easy to see physical abuse as normal or proper when you are engaged in it as well.

 

[squarecut1]

It seems like a few women who have been in similar situations (physically abusive relationships) have come forward and said what Janay is doing is typical. Rice has pretty much convinced her she was to blame for his entire abusive nature (not just the elevator incident), so her coming to his defense is "normal".

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This is true in many cases of abuse, yes. Not just spouse abuse. But in this case, it could be due to him being loaded and all. Like how the philandering politicians wives stand by them. Hillary etc etc.

 

[squarecut1]

Something like 2/3 relationships in which the man is physically abusive the woman is also physically abusive.

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I am skeptical of this claim. Certainly across a wide range of cultures

 

[smackababy]

Something like 2/3 relationships in which the man is physically abusive the woman is also physically abusive.

Its pretty easy to see physical abuse as normal or proper when you are engaged in it as well.

Oh look! Another post by nehalem where he uses made up numbers to prove an idiotic point! Next guy, 1/2 of gays have AIDS!