Ray Rice Cut By Ravens

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nehalem256

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Oh look! Another post by nehalem where he uses made up numbers to prove an idiotic point! Next guy, 1/2 of gays have AIDS!

in a study of 14 000 young US couples aged 18-28 years, found that 24% of relationships had some violence and half of those were reciprocally violent. In 70% of the non-reciprocally violent relationships women were the perpetrators of violence. Reciprocal violence appears to be particularly dangerous, leading to the highest rate of injury (31.4%). This may be because reciprocal violence is more likely to escalate.
http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/35/1/33.1.full

For instance

I am skeptical of this claim. Certainly across a wide range of cultures

Seems like it is true for the demographic containing Ray Rice.
 

moonbogg

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She also tried to hit him just before he hit her in the elevator.

Yep. She sure did. If women want true equality...well, what would we say if a man tried to hit him twice before he finally knocked him out? We'd say he showed amazing restraint.

For the record, I've only knocked out one woman to my knowledge....I mean up. I said up. Also, whats worse? Smacking women or smackingbabies?
 
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leeland

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I haven't had time to review all the posts...I was a little sickened how the commentators for MNF gave the NFL the good ole pat on the back for doing the right thing and how they were leading by example...blah blah blah...

This being blabbered by Dilfer and others all the while you see questions like this being raised...

http://thinkprogress.org/sports/201...sault-video-before-announcing-his-suspension/

I really hate what that guy did...he is a POS...glad he is out of the league...and is he being hammered more than others that have done the same thing...probably...

Does that mean we should show him pitty?

I personally wish the same kind of bad press could be waged against the higher ups who some how get to say blanket statement that "We never saw the tape" and nothing else appears to be asked for validation...

Any person in their right mind would say...give me all the evidence...and even if they thought they had it all and others were reporting there was more, I would like to think they would make sure they followed up all leads...

The mere fact that TMZ got this video shows me that they had to have had this video at some point when this originally broke...and that they (the NFL) let him off with a slap on the wrist...

Another real question I would like to know is how TMZ got it, as I would presume the NFL would have wanted to squash that video from ever coming out.
 

smackababy

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This how TMZ got the tape: went to police station, said to clerk "You have that Ray Rice tape? We got $10,000". Tape was then placed in their hand.

TMZ is reporting they have proof the NFL had, at the very least, the ability to view this tape long before they released.
 

squarecut1

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I agree with Leeland. As I've been saying, just to focus on this one scumbag is to miss the bigger picture. The overall sickness and greed of the society, all the way to the top folks who as always, never face any consequences. Not just in nfl. It is always the lower level guy who is offered up as the sacrifice
 

TheFamilyMan

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I agree with Leeland. As I've been saying, just to focus on this one scumbag is to miss the bigger picture. The overall sickness and greed of the society, all the way to the top folks who as always, never face any consequences. Not just in nfl. It is always the lower level guy who is offered up as the sacrifice

The thing that really hammers home the double-talk and two-faced nature of the NFL is how they are handling the other two domestic violence cases in the NFL...the one with the 49'ers stud and I can't remember the name/team of the other case.

They have just as much evidence sans the video in the 49'ers case as they did with the Rice case and all you hear being chirped by 49'ers and Harbaugh is to "let the justice system play out". They all know justice won't do dick to these guys and the battered wives/girlfriends of these troglodytes will go on and on about how it was a mistake and how everyone is "getting help" and counseling. Once the case is resolved through the justice system and these guys are let off with slaps on the wrist, the 49'ers (and that fuck of a two-faced coach Harbaugh) will toss some PR-created buzzwords around to make everyone feel that it was some isolated, one-time incident and everyone has grown up and everyone is past it.

The NFL needs to stop drafting and rewarding people who clearly have no concept of personal responsibility and feel rules just do not apply to them. When you have a player in college who consistently breaks rules, both NCAA as well as school imposed, and are never really held to task on consequences, you end up with people like Ray Rice and the guy on the 49'ers. You end up with players like Tyronne Matthieu and Dez Bryant and a whole host of others. The list goes on and on and so will the problems in the NFL until the brand becomes so toxic that society just moves away from it. The NFL is in a position right now to be the frog in the pot if they are not careful. The temp of the water is getting warmer and warmer and the NFL isn't getting any of the hints to do anything different so they're just lounging around on issues like this.
 

cubby1223

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I personally wish the same kind of bad press could be waged against the higher ups who some how get to say blanket statement that "We never saw the tape" and nothing else appears to be asked for validation...

I don't know...

What did the video add to the situation? We all knew he knocked her unconscious in the elevator before the footage aired. It added an additional in-your-face shock value. But it didn't really provide us with anything new we didn't already know of the situation.
 

smackababy

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Didn't Harbaugh come out and say (at the time of the Rice case happening) he would never stand for that on his team and he would cut anyone who did that or something? McDonald then did it, and of course, Harbaugh changed his tone. "Oh, what I meant to say was that if it was a practice squad player or someone who doesn't get any game time, they'd be cut immediately! If it is someone important to the team, we need to let justice play out."

The two players are McDonald and someone for the Jets IIRC.
I don't know...

What did the video add to the situation? We all knew he knocked her unconscious in the elevator before the footage aired. It added an additional in-your-face shock value. But it didn't really provide us with anything new we didn't already know of the situation.

Which is precisely why it is stupid it took the NFL this long to act. We knew they weren't have a tickle contest in the elevator and she was rendered unconscious. We knew he struck her enough that a grand jury returned a charge of felony domestic violence against Ray Rice (and not against Janay), and he was able to 'plead out' for lack of a better term. They only reacted to this situation now because it is in the public eye and looks bad on them.
 
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cubby1223

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I'm more outraged the legal system was impotent to punish Rice, than at the NFL for having to clean up after their failure.
 
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smackababy

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From what it sounds like was after the grand jury returned their indictment, Rice's attorney told the DA they would accept the first timer deal or they were ready to go to trial. The DA likely knew justice wouldn't be remotely served in a real trial (especially with her hitting him, even as lightly as it was) and agreed to give him a slap on the wrist rather than a "Janay was responsible" verdict. Who knows though. Maybe the DA was a Ravens fan?
 

Attic

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I agree with Leeland. As I've been saying, just to focus on this one scumbag is to miss the bigger picture. The overall sickness and greed of the society, all the way to the top folks who as always, never face any consequences. Not just in nfl. It is always the lower level guy who is offered up as the sacrifice

Yep.
 

SheHateMe

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Serves him right. His wife is a fucking airhead for acting like this whole thing isn't that big of a deal. He could have killed you, idiot. He's probably still beating your ass at home....oh, its no problem as long as you keep seeing those dollar signs.
 

MongGrel

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Serves him right. His wife is a fucking airhead for acting like this whole thing isn't that big of a deal. He could have killed you, idiot. He's probably still beating your ass at home....oh, its no problem as long as you keep seeing those dollar signs.
Is what she's into, she's upset the $$$ has disappeared.

I've dated a woman like that once that I didn't realize at the time still had a former boyfriend in the background that beat her up.

Found that out after about a month, she was dating me to make him jealous.

I exited that whole situation pretty fast after getting in a fight with him and her coming out and starting to hit me in the back with a baseball bat when he hit me in the mouth after I got suspicious and showed up at her house unexpectedly, and I pinned him to the floor.

I got up left and said "good luck in the future"

Was the fast end to that one.
 
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norseamd

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Wife stayed with a criminal, woman-beating thug because he's rich, now she's sorry to see the pay check disappear.

So this word is wrong to use with black youth looting and beating up shoppers but okay to use with societal scapegoats? And obviously denigrating and derogating the shamed victim is fine as long as it supports the hate and violence against the ogre.



AFAYK that wasn't the first time it happened and AFAYK it could have happened a dozen times since then. AFAIK maybe the only lesson Ray learned is to beat her up only in places where he's sure there's no cameras.

Maybe or maybe not as far as your know. What do you actually know about their long term relationship? Not like any of this shit was thought about way back in the bronze age in Mesopotamia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

And stop assuming your assumptions.



And you might want to to read some of these proverbs.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/assumptions.html

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/assumptions
 
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MongGrel

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Was kinda odd, she had told me the bar she hung out at and I had went in there, the female bartender at the time even told me how screwed up she was when I came in and asked about her.

I just hung out till they came in to see it in action.

NM, it's old and irrelevant.

She's probably just some old beat up chick these days, she was pretty hot at the time.
 

norseamd

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This whole Janay Rice outrage bit is nothing more than scripted, planned execution on the Rice family's part. Her marrying him shortly after the original story broke was done for the sole reason that a wife can't be forced to testify against a husband...a financee, well another story. Her faux outrage now is just another scripted move by Ray and his lawyers/consultants. She's not outraged at anything other than her abusive husband being outed and, quite possibly, not being able to continue bringing in the millions she's become used to. Sure, he's made $25M but she, and everyone else knows, it will be gone quickly. If he's not back in uniform soon, her lifestyle will quickly get hard and complicated and she may have to work for a living...*gasp*. It is in her best interest on two fronts here...1 - she still plays like she had something to do with all this so the heat on Ray isn't so bad so she's not cold-cocked again (not sure this one will work anymore...if it even worked the first time) 2 - if, by some miracle, he is reinstated, millions roll in again and she gets to keep living the good life.

So it is wrong to beat up bad riffraff? I want to go find some video of white supremacists getting the shit stomped out of them and see what you say then? 95% possibility you say they deserved it.
 

zinfamous

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But you still don't think people would be upset at what he did?

Besides we're talking about playing a game for a living, which is a privilege not a right. He has a college degree if I remember correctly, so he and Ray Rice should have no problems finding a job outside of the NFL, that is if someone wants to hire them.

I was going to say this. Philly didn't sign him weeks after that incident.

Exactly.

Vick served 2 (1?) years in prison, has done (not sure if he continues to do) some decent work with anti dog fighting and animal cruelty charities--spokesman.

He actually did put in the effort to make amends. That is saying something.

It remains to be seen what will happen with Rice, based on his trial and sentencing (not sure if he is going to trial--depends on if his wife presses charges, right?), or whatever happens with him to restore public opinion/show some actual remorse and willingness to make amends.

It was a long, long process (NFL time) before Vick was invited back.
 

zinfamous

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This whole Janay Rice outrage bit is nothing more than scripted, planned execution on the Rice family's part. Her marrying him shortly after the original story broke was done for the sole reason that a wife can't be forced to testify against a husband...a financee, well another story.

I was wondering this myself; but I assume it doesn't apply in cases of abuse. I mean, what is the point of even pressing charges against an abusive spouse if the law will not allow you to testify against them?

Her faux outrage now is just another scripted move by Ray and his lawyers/consultants. She's not outraged at anything other than her abusive husband being outed and, quite possibly, not being able to continue bringing in the millions she's become used to. Sure, he's made $25M but she, and everyone else knows, it will be gone quickly. If he's not back in uniform soon, her lifestyle will quickly get hard and complicated and she may have to work for a living...*gasp*.

It is in her best interest on two fronts here...1 - she still plays like she had something to do with all this so the heat on Ray isn't so bad so she's not cold-cocked again (not sure this one will work anymore...if it even worked the first time) 2 - if, by some miracle, he is reinstated, millions roll in again and she gets to keep living the good life.

all of this...I don't know. You're probably just being cynical because unless you actually know these two and are engaged with the details here on a more personal level, I don't know how you can draw these conclusions with such assurance. This comes off as you being a douche, I must say.
 

HOSED

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I'm more outraged the legal system was impotent to punish Rice, than at the NFL for having to clean up after their failure.
Great point Goodell should stick to fines for late in game hits or long tokes after the game.
This second layer of policing reminds me of how the US military works at least AFA sexual misconduct cases.
 

zinfamous

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Yeah that is racial profiling which also includes noncrimes like marijuana use and false convictions. He meant over all of the population of America.

right, which is why you cant' compare the two population that way.

The demographics of athletes in the NFL does not represent the same demographics of the general population of the US--looking at either race or circumstances of upbringing, as a whole.

You'd have to compare the NFL population (of athletes) to a more representative population sample within the general population.
 

norseamd

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right, which is why you cant' compare the two population that way. The demographics of athletes in the NFL does not represent the same demographics of the general population of the US--looking at either race or circumstances of upbringing, as a whole. You'd have to compare the NFL population (of athletes) to a more representative population sample within the general population.

Meh. White citizens do crime or wrongdoing just as much as black citizens. The difference is that it is not so primitive and instead often involves white collar crime or jumping the scapegoats as a crowd when no one is looking or it is considered socially acceptable. The difference is because of the conditions the respective races are usually born into and the cultural characteristics that are resulting from their conditions.
 

Jodell88

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Serves him right. His wife is a fucking airhead for acting like this whole thing isn't that big of a deal. He could have killed you, idiot. He's probably still beating your ass at home....oh, its no problem as long as you keep seeing those dollar signs.
Assuming she's not attacking him first. ()

People should learn that attacking the opposite sex is wrong, period.
 

squarecut1

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I've been watching The Wire recently (IMO the best show ever along with Breaking Bad) and that is set in Baltimore as well.
 
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