Ray Rice Incident

[GoPackGo]

I saw the video of Ray Rice decking his then fiance.

I am only one who thinks the press and the NFL are way overreacting to this?

The video has no audio so we don't know what was happening or what they were arguing about.

The NFL had already seen the video before when they issued the 2 game suspension.

He already dealt with the issue from a criminal perspective. But when TMZ released the video people got all in an uproar.

Would the reaction be the same if he were gay and decked a man?

 

[KeithP]

The NFL had already seen the video before when they issued the 2 game suspension.

I believe you are incorrect on that point...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces

The Ravens said earlier Monday that they never saw the new video. Hours later, they sent out a one-sentence release:

"The Baltimore Ravens terminated the contract of RB Ray Rice this afternoon."

The NFL also took action, saying on Twitter that commissioner "Roger Goodell has announced that based on new video evidence that became available today he has indefinitely suspended Ray Rice."

-KeithP

 

[GoPackGo]

I believe you are incorrect on that point...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces

-KeithP

I read that part wrong...I stand corrected...

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I am only one who thinks the press and the NFL are way overreacting to this?

No, other people like you think violence is OK when it's domestic.

I believe you are incorrect on that point...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces

-KeithP

lol. The NFL also says that repetitive head trauma sustained during the course of playing football doesn't cause CTE. I bet you believe that, too.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Would the reaction be the same if he were gay and decked a man?

doesn`t matter what the reaction would be! Domestic violence is still domestic violence! Open and shut case!!

 

[Craig234]

One guy basically decided the response - a two game suspension. Then others react, pointing out the inconsistency - a harsher punishment for some pot, and the sense of how inadequate that was - and then the one person in charge got to say he'd realized he'd 'gotten it wrong' and a harsher punishment was appropriate.

That's apart from any issue of later seeing video. That kind of thing happens more when it's 'one guy in charge' deciding a response. He didn't know the media would pick it up.

That's how culture clashes work. When Bull Connor used fire hoses and dogs on teenagers protesting, he thought it was fine. Then the pictures were published.

 

[KeithP]

lol. The NFL also says that repetitive head trauma sustained during the course of playing football doesn't cause CTE. I bet you believe that, too.

TMZ was first with the video. It is plausible that the NFL didn't have access to it. That being said in the original TMZ story they claim a hotel employee said the NFL did see it which, as I posted, the NFL denies.

Without additional information, I would go with the NFL on this. The risk of being caught lying is too high given the situation. As far as the hotel employee goes, I am guessing they are either misinformed or just made it up, you know, like you do with your posts. lol

-KeithP

 

[norseamd]

Umm no I do not believe any words the NFL says on this bullshit.

 

[Zargon]

the casino is claiming the NFL never asked them for video

 

[norseamd]

the casino is claiming the NFL never asked them for video

Which would imply the NFL knowingly avoided looking at the video not because they did not want to watch it but because they might use it as some way out.

 

[Zargon]

Which would imply the NFL knowingly avoided looking at the video not because they did not want to watch it but because they might use it as some way out.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ice-domestic-violence-video-for-investigation


yeah not disagreeing with you there.

 

[HomerJS]

TMZ was first with the video. It is plausible that the NFL didn't have access to it. That being said in the original TMZ story they claim a hotel employee said the NFL did see it which, as I posted, the NFL denies.

Without additional information, I would go with the NFL on this. The risk of being caught lying is too high given the situation. As far as the hotel employee goes, I am guessing they are either misinformed or just made it up, you know, like you do with your posts. lol

-KeithP

The NFL hires high level security people. Also Ray Rice's people had a copy of the tape.

 

[Retro Rob]

The NFL hires high level security people. Also Ray Rice's people had a copy of the tape.

I'm inclined to beleive that they didn't see the tape, but not because they couldn't access it, but they perhaps wanted to ignore it.

My guess would be they wanted to avoid another dometic issue with one of their players, so they wanted this to stay under the rug.

 

[Rebel_L]

I saw the video of Ray Rice decking his then fiance.

I am only one who thinks the press and the NFL are way overreacting to this?

The video has no audio so we don't know what was happening or what they were arguing about.

The NFL had already seen the video before when they issued the 2 game suspension.

He already dealt with the issue from a criminal perspective. But when TMZ released the video people got all in an uproar.

Would the reaction be the same if he were gay and decked a man?

Domestic violence is a very serious issue, however I think the responsible thing for the league to have done would be to work with rice on his issues rather than to release him from the league. I am sure the public perception had a big impact on this, and they likely have clauses about player conduct to cover their asses as far as terminating the contract goes, it does seem like they are just looking out for themselves though rather than caring about what actually goes on.

Any crime he committed was not one against the league or affecting his performance so for the league to penalize him at work for an at home issue seems odd, is not the justice system supposed to do the punishing for crimes? Football is a very aggressive sport, if the league is unwilling to help its players deal with personal problems differently then they are taught to handle things on the field, then they are part of the problem. That they chose the aggressive route of stomping on their problem rather than trying to work through it suggests to me that the league acts a lot like Rice

 

[Gigantopithecus]

TMZ was first with the video. It is plausible that the NFL didn't have access to it. That being said in the original TMZ story they claim a hotel employee said the NFL did see it which, as I posted, the NFL denies.

Without additional information, I would go with the NFL on this. The risk of being caught lying is too high given the situation. As far as the hotel employee goes, I am guessing they are either misinformed or just made it up, you know, like you do with your posts. lol

-KeithP

For someone with a photo of HST as their icon, I'm surprised you'd rather be a sucker than a cynic. It's clear at this point that if the NFL did not see this video (which is unlikely), they willfully didn't look at it. And that's implicitly as egregious.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

it does seem like they are just looking out for themselves though rather than caring about what actually goes on

"Seems," eh?

It's a lot easier to brush something under the rug when it's not a viscerally upsetting video getting replayed 24/7 all over the media.

 

[cabri]

Domestic violence is a very serious issue, however I think the responsible thing for the league to have done would be to work with rice on his issues rather than to release him from the league. I am sure the public perception had a big impact on this, and they likely have clauses about player conduct to cover their asses as far as terminating the contract goes, it does seem like they are just looking out for themselves though rather than caring about what actually goes on.

Any crime he committed was not one against the league or affecting his performance so for the league to penalize him at work for an at home issue seems odd, is not the justice system supposed to do the punishing for crimes? Football is a very aggressive sport, if the league is unwilling to help its players deal with personal problems differently then they are taught to handle things on the field, then they are part of the problem. That they chose the aggressive route of stomping on their problem rather than trying to work through it suggests to me that the league acts a lot like Rice

Public perception is a great in-equalizer.

Leagues will be happy to sweep dirt under the rug for the sake of profits.

See Sterliing/NBA as a recent example.

 

[Rebel_L]

"Seems," eh?

It's a lot easier to brush something under the rug when it's not a viscerally upsetting video getting replayed 24/7 all over the media.

I use "seems" because I do not know the full story... if the NFL for instance was working with Rice on anger management issues and making sure he was getting help for a long time already and this is the nth time he had a similar outburst, just the first time it went this public, then I would say "there is only so much responsibility the league has for Rice's actions and they have done there best to no avail and letting him go was the right call"

 

[Craig234]

Domestic violence is a very serious issue, however I think the responsible thing for the league to have done would be to work with rice on his issues rather than to release him from the league. I am sure the public perception had a big impact on this, and they likely have clauses about player conduct to cover their asses as far as terminating the contract goes, it does seem like they are just looking out for themselves though rather than caring about what actually goes on.

Any crime he committed was not one against the league or affecting his performance so for the league to penalize him at work for an at home issue seems odd, is not the justice system supposed to do the punishing for crimes? Football is a very aggressive sport, if the league is unwilling to help its players deal with personal problems differently then they are taught to handle things on the field, then they are part of the problem. That they chose the aggressive route of stomping on their problem rather than trying to work through it suggests to me that the league acts a lot like Rice

That's just a sick comparison to say that terminating the contract of an abuser is the same thing as the physical assault.

The time for 'helping him' was before the assault, and up to him to get that help, as far as protecting his position in the NFL.

One complication to the story not many want to talk about is the situation of the victim.

On, the issue that she did not want to testify against him for the assault.

And a second, that she kind of became his accomplice in protecting him, because the loss of tens of millions of dollars to him was also a loss of those millions to her.

 

[Craig234]

For someone with a photo of HST as their icon, I'm surprised you'd rather be a sucker than a cynic. It's clear at this point that if the NFL did not see this video (which is unlikely), they willfully didn't look at it. And that's implicitly as egregious.

One issue I haven't seen anyone discuss is the issue that people give so much more weight to video.

People talk about how the Vietnam War had public opinion hugely changed because of the video reporting, rather than just getting reports.

There are many cases of issues that are given little attention even when fully described, but get a whole different reaction when there's video.

Take Rodney King as one example. If that had just been statements of witnesses saying 'those police just beat that guy', would it have been a news story? No.

We knew what happened here from the previous video - but the new one changed things.

 

[norseamd]

And a second, that she kind of became his accomplice in protecting him, because the loss of tens of millions of dollars to him was also a loss of those millions to her.

Which is revealing about the true thinking of you and everyone else who wants to burn Ray Rice at the stake and then still claim we need to do more. Like I said earlier it seems all those who shout about victim shaming think it is okay when it suits their own socially accepted crap.

 

[Craig234]

Which is revealing about the true thinking of you and everyone else who wants to burn Ray Rice at the stake and then still claim we need to do more. Like I said earlier it seems all those who shout about victim shaming think it is okay when it suits their own socially accepted crap.

Your point is unclear other than appearing poorly based. There is an issue to deal with regarding the irony that punishing him for hurting her can hurt her as well, but it's not new. Ask any of the victims of domestic violence who are hurt when their partners are put into jail, leaving them without the money, the help with children, etc.

The need to not allow that behavior is bigger than the victim's interests, oddly.

How often do victims of violence call for help - and then realizing how it'll hurt them for their partner to be jailed, scream for them not to be jailed and not cooperate?

Unfortunately, the effects of punishment can further hurt the victim. It's unfortunate, but are you willing to pay for a 'victim support fund' to help with that?

 

[norseamd]

Maybe that was not the intent of you but I have seen so many who are basically only concerned with punishing Ray Rice as much as possible and that his wife is a good girl as a victim but she because evil filth if she does not go along with the scapegoating.

So then maybe I deserve this right now.

Not suggesting that Ray Rice is innocent but everything in this situation is blown out of proportion. As far as I know there is not much information about their long term relationship. Physical injuries often only last so long and the mental and emotional problems from truly abusive relationships are what are profoundly terrible Their long term relationship needs full analysis and understanding instead of this one particular incident.

 

[DAGTA]

The NFL cares more about making money than doing what may be considered ethically right or wrong. Once the video was released, the NFL risked offending their growing female market share unless they (the NFL) took a stronger disciplinary action against Rice.

 

[Greenman]

The NFL cares more about making money than doing what may be considered ethically right or wrong. Once the video was released, the NFL risked offending their growing female market share unless they (the NFL) took a stronger disciplinary action against Rice.

I'd go with this. Pro football is about money, nothing but money. Protecting that cash flow is all that matters, it's the idol they worship, the God they pray too.