Ray Rice Incident

[Rebel_L]

That's just a sick comparison to say that terminating the contract of an abuser is the same thing as the physical assault.

The time for 'helping him' was before the assault, and up to him to get that help, as far as protecting his position in the NFL.

One complication to the story not many want to talk about is the situation of the victim.

On, the issue that she did not want to testify against him for the assault.

And a second, that she kind of became his accomplice in protecting him, because the loss of tens of millions of dollars to him was also a loss of those millions to her.

Your bothered that I call both bullies? You have a league who makes its players rich stars adored by millions by having them assault other people for a living. The players are trained to follow instincts to assault others on the field (according to arbitrary rules)... taking things a little too far results in not even a personal punishment of any kind, the team looses a few yards, if it gets way out of hand they get a fine and maybe a suspension for a couple of games. The time to help people is when there is a problem, if you can anticipate it and prevent it even better. The league should certainly be held to some account, if they had released rice after having him see a psychologist for several months and the conclusion from the doctor was that he needed to leave the nfl because continued playing would blur the lines between acceptable on and off field behaviour too much that would be one thing. But to kick him out otherwise is simply trying to deflect their own responsibility for the situation they had a hand in creating. The courts are supposed to take care of the punishment end of law breaking not the league, justice involves so much more than just punishment and the legal system already does a poor enough job of balancing it. Personally I find it a bit disturbing that you put physical abuse on this pedestal above other forms of abuse, none of them should be acceptable and they all leave scars.

As for rices wife, if she is afraid to leave because of what she thinks rice might do to her if she does then it is a very sad situation that many abuse victims have to deal with and I hope that she is able to find a support system that will give her the strength and resources to do whats best for her. If the league was attempting to help rice instead of sweeping the problems they had a hand in creating under the rug, I would guess they would be making sure she had the proper resources at her disposal as well. Talk about the victim being punished because rice looses income is just absurd. Barring any threats of violence she likely comes out ahead of most people with a simple divorce that would see here get half his current assets, her life is hers, her choices are hers and what she makes of her future is supposed to be up to her, not rice.

 

[pauldun170]

I'm just curious to what they were fighting about.
Why she spit on him in the first place

If you are spitting on each other, maybe you should see other people.

 

[Mursilis]

So I'm reading an account of this whole incident on deadspin, and I read something I don't necessarily agree with. The author wrote:

it never mattered whether Palmer "provoked" Rice, with physical violence or otherwise

It never mattered if Palmer was physically violent with Rice before he struck her? Is the author saying a man should not hit a woman even if the woman is striking the man? I don't get why that aspect of this case seems to be glossed over so much. Obviously, Rice, as a professional football player, has a huge advantage over Palmer in a physical confrontation, but she could still cause him actual physical harm, and he certainly has a right to defend himself. I think that the fact she used physical violence against him definitely matters in considering this case.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

So I'm reading an account of this whole incident on deadspin, and I read something I don't necessarily agree with. The author wrote:

It never mattered if Palmer was physically violent with Rice before he struck her? Is the author saying a man should not hit a woman even if the woman is striking the man? I don't get why that aspect of this case seems to be glossed over so much. Obviously, Rice, as a professional football player, has a huge advantage over Palmer in a physical confrontation, but she could still cause him actual physical harm, and he certainly has a right to defend himself. I think that the fact she used physical violence against him definitely matters in considering this case.

As you note the size and strength disparity here is marked. She can cause him physical harm, but she does not pose a serious threat to his safety (she is unarmed and not going after his vulnerable anatomy). There's a difference between restraining her so she can't keep hitting him, and clocking her upside the head and knocking her out. If the video showed him restraining her until she calmed down, he'd still be playing in the NFL.

 

[Scarpozzi]

As for rices wife, if she is afraid to leave because of what she thinks rice might do to her if she does then it is a very sad situation that many abuse victims have to deal with and I hope that she is able to find a support system that will give her the strength and resources to do whats best for her. If the league was attempting to help rice instead of sweeping the problems they had a hand in creating under the rug, I would guess they would be making sure she had the proper resources at her disposal as well. Talk about the victim being punished because rice looses income is just absurd. Barring any threats of violence she likely comes out ahead of most people with a simple divorce that would see here get half his current assets, her life is hers, her choices are hers and what she makes of her future is supposed to be up to her, not rice.

I'm sure she has a vested interest in how much coin Rice makes at the end of the day....that goes for whether or not they stay married. If he's worth more money, she'll end up reaping benefits/rewards as such in either case. If he gets suspended and they are still paying their agent and lifestyle costs, they could very easily end up in the red after losing all the endorsement deals and team salary.

If you ask me, I don't blame Roger Goodell for the suspension situation. The conduct of players off the field has become increasingly important...but considering Ray Lewis murdered someone and got away with it, I don't know that this even comes close to the same level of crime. The reason Rice got a 2 game suspension is because his wife pleaded with Goodell for a light punishment. Had she not done that and made it appear to be her own idea with no pressure from Ray Rice, he may have gotten a larger suspension.

With the video's release and the PR nightmare, Goodell was forced to react. I agree with his decision to increase the suspension until the media calms down. There are far more important stories out there than this. The liberal AND conservative media outlets are always looking for a new witch hunt.

 

[Zargon]

I'd go with this. Pro football is about money, nothing but money. Protecting that cash flow is all that matters, it's the idol they worship, the God they pray too.

pretty much this

As you note the size and strength disparity here is marked. She can cause him physical harm, but she does not pose a serious threat to his safety (she is unarmed and not going after his vulnerable anatomy). There's a difference between restraining her so she can't keep hitting him, and clocking her upside the head and knocking her out. If the video showed him restraining her until she calmed down, he'd still be playing in the NFL.

yeah. I am not in the 'a man never hits a lady' camp, sorry. I generally believe that anyone that physically assaults another person, deserves to receive force back.

however, hes a pro athlete, a rather strong one, he shouldn't be punching random people period that try to start shit, let alone someone the size of his now wife(let alone that shes his damn wife)



as far as the video changing this goes, It should. what was purported to have happened, with known evidence is one thing

to have video proof of how violent it was, is another

 

[pete6032]

I saw the video of Ray Rice decking his then fiance.

I am only one who thinks the press and the NFL are way overreacting to this?

The video has no audio so we don't know what was happening or what they were arguing about.

The NFL had already seen the video before when they issued the 2 game suspension.

He already dealt with the issue from a criminal perspective. But when TMZ released the video people got all in an uproar.

Would the reaction be the same if he were gay and decked a man?

If I did that I would probably be fired from my job too, so no, they're not overreacting.

 

[dank69]

I think the NFL handled the whole situation poorly. He told them straight up that he decked her. He should have been suspended back then.

These guys are role models for young children. There should be zero tolerance for this type of behavior in the league. As a 49er fan I think McDonald should be suspended from the league as well assuming he is guilty.

 

[Phanuel]

And the feminization of society continues forward unabated.

Let's all go boo Whoopi Goldberg some more for defending Stephen Smith some more because he had the courage to push back against the party line of "It's never acceptable to hit a woman!!!111o1nene!"

Women need to start having consequences for their actions.

She's still with him, and I highly doubt its because she's a battered wife and she fears for her safety. His aggressive behavior turns her on in a primal way. But few of you will understand this basic ingrained human behavior because you find it offensive on the surface and it goes against everything your mother/sister/women "friends" have told you all your lives.

 

[Craig234]

And the feminization of society continues forward unabated.

Let's all go boo Whoopi Goldberg some more for defending Stephen Smith some more because he had the courage to push back against the party line of "It's never acceptable to hit a woman!!!111o1nene!"

Women need to start having consequences for their actions.

She's still with him, and I highly doubt its because she's a battered wife and she fears for her safety. His aggressive behavior turns her on in a primal way. But few of you will understand this basic ingrained human behavior because you find it offensive on the surface and it goes against everything your mother/sister/women "friends" have told you all your lives.

You're right, let's undo the feminization of society. Women can't vote, they should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, a husband can't rape his wife, they're property.

All these feminizing changes to society, how terrible. What the hell is this 'equal pay for equal work' garbage they want now? And not being assaulted, just crazy.

Very nice how you equate accountability for actions with 'ok to knock her unconscious'. Funny how it's the weak men who want to defend hurting women.

 

[shortylickens]

I saw the game tonight.

Are the Ravens better off or worse off? Cuz honestly I dont know.

 

[Craig234]

I saw the game tonight.

Are the Ravens better off or worse off? Cuz honestly I dont know.

Who the hell cares?

This isn't about the game.

 

[Mursilis]

At least this incident hasn't hurt his popularity with his "true" fans!!

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/ray-rice-fans

“I absolutely 100% support him,” Manahan said, standing in front of the recently erected Ray Lewis statue at M&T Bank Stadium. “I do. It had nothing to do with his job. He should not have lost his job.
“I’m supporting him all the way around. I think he’s an awesome guy, I think he’s an upstanding guy, and I think he’s an awesome football player.”

See, this woman has the proper perspective - when you find out a football player has beaten his wife/GF, you need to ask the important questions first, before rushing to judgment: Does he play for my team, and is he any good? (<-- sarcasm, in case it isn't obvious).

I weep for America.

 

[HOSED]

But what can you expect, "grown men" PLAYING a game as a "profession". I would guess most of the players have had concussions, and have used performance (mind altering) enhancing drugs. Many of the stars have been catered to (see the jameis winston investigation for example) all their lives so how can they act as civilized humans?
The only things that surprises me is there have not been more incidents like this in the spot light. Also the hammering of Goddell (who is way to smart to get fired) and the various defenses of Rice.
Don't people have anything more productive to do than watch, gamble on and spend money for trinkets related to these overpaid entertainers?

 

[April_Asset]

No I don't think the response would be the same, but what a punk move on his part. I wonder how many other NFL players he punch like that - zero.