At least as private as IP protective patents allow of course.Therefore the acceleration structs are *cough* private
That's the biggest problem, but it is not really solvable in software or in an API. There might be a hardware approach to find the commonality between the rays and then create ray groups to achive much better memory access efficiency. This will be useful in the future hardwares. But today the hibrid ray tracing is limited to one or two effects, and even the overall quality increase is very minor, so building a hardver to solve a problem that affects half a dozen games per year is not to useful, because you can use more ALU with that transistor budget.From what I have read on a handful of papers discussing acceleration structures and hardware arch's, the problem seems to lie in memory consumption more than the actual logic of it, almost every one of them discussed a specific method/technique to mitigate memory problems.
Not to mention the necessity of denoising to achieve a relatively clean image at real time fps.That's the biggest problem, but it is not really solvable in software or in an API. There might be a hardware approach to find the commonality between the rays and then create ray groups to achive much better memory access efficiency. This will be useful in the future hardwares. But today the hibrid ray tracing is limited to one or two effects, and even the overall quality increase is very minor, so building a hardver to solve a problem that affects half a dozen games per year is not to useful, because you can use more ALU with that transistor budget.
What's the importance of supporting this format?It can't support 32-bit snorm format. The hardware was not designed for this.
Don't think so, we are used to say the same thing about hybrid RT 2 years, you never know what sort of advancements we can have, we can already run path traced Quake 2 and Minecraft on current hardware.Yes we are probably 20 years away from that.
We ALREADY have that hardware! if you are somehow thinking consoles will be designed around a certain fixed function hardware that's somehow entirely different from the RTX cores, then rest assured, PC versions will accommodate the kind of RTX acceleration that is necessary to run their games on RTX cards.ut you need a hardware based solution to achive good performance, so there will be newer hardwares.
Remember AMD has to abide by that same DXR pipeline when doing RT on their PC GPUs, so I don't see how PS5 can be completely different from DXR.because PS5 do this with a different graphics pipeline. If DXR would allow that pipeline, probably the PC hardwares can get the same speed
Using these 2 as examples doesn't do the technology any favors in my opinion.we can already run path traced Quake 2 and Minecraft on current hardware
The forthcoming vendor agnostic Vulkan RT extension is also targeted to be close to DXR, though I believe the reason is for code portability rather than anything else.Remember AMD has to abide by that same DXR pipeline when doing RT on their PC GPUs, so I don't see how PS5 can be completely different from DXR.
4XMSAA got replaced with TAA, 4K native is replaced with Checkerboarding on weak hardware, powerful hardware run native 4K @30fps. Next gen consoles will design their games around 4K60 fps too.Sure, sure, just like 4K native games @ 4xMSAA are standard practice on today's consoles. Oh wait...
Preach!That'd be better than the stupid MQA, and pointlessly high DSD and PCM sample rates.
DSD as a format is pointless because it offers no advantages compared to PCM, is space-inefficient and cumbersome to work with from a DSP point of view. The fact that most DACs are Delta Sigma doesn't change this. An analogy of this fallacy would be to say we need to store images in super-sampled one bit formats because inkjet printers also use halftone (dot clouds) to simulate shades.Though DSD isn't technically pointlessly high when you account for the fact that a Delta Sigma DAC (ie 95+%+ of DAC's) does exactly the same thing to a standard digital audio signal, all DSD does is store it in a somewhat similar format.
Preach!
Though DSD isn't technically pointlessly high when you account for the fact that a Delta Sigma DAC (ie 95+%+ of DAC's) does exactly the same thing to a standard digital audio signal, all DSD does is store it in a somewhat similar format.
I have to agree though, you have to have very good ears to tell any difference, and usually I would say that difference is more likely to be in the mastering anyway.
You might be about the same age I am, I got a 9800 the year I started university too, couldn't afford a Pro variant at the time though.When I started in college (Mechanical Engineering) in the intro class they had various professors come and talk to us about stuff they're working on (to give an idea of the type of stuff we could do with engineering knowledge). One of them was using the new level of GPU processing being opened up at the time (this would've been I think the year the 9800Pro came out)
During my first time in college I remember a non-media track conference day having a talk about using GPU's for something to do with displaying MRI data, seemed pretty amazing at the time, I thnk that was the first time I took an interest in GPGPU computing.I imagine path tracing should bring another level of capability to those types of things. I also remember some other scientist talking about using the 3D processing capability of the Nvidia 6800 to do 3D audio processing.
Both nVidia and AMD have their own respective audio raycasting libraries, and Steam seems to be pursuing a sort of middleware for it (which I think ties in AMD's TrueAudio Next solution).But yeah we're getting off topic. I do think path tracing should provide an interesting new level for 3D positional audio, and like hearing that Sony seemed to realize that if they're already figuring that data, they might as well use it for more than just lighting/graphics.
The consoles won't be using RTX, Muhammed. Ray-tracing will be widespread in time but I doubt my RTX 2080 Ti will hold up well by the time it is widespread.PS5 is now confirmed to have hardware RT, meaning Ray Tracing will now the next standard in making games. RTX will spread into even more games. I am interested to know what those who thought RT will never be mainstream now think?
The insidious nature of nVidia PR is such that the RTX brand has often become indistinguishable from actual ray tracing for some, it's not worth splitting hairs over.The consoles won't be using RTX, Muhammed.
That's the entire point of this thread though...The insidious nature of nVidia PR is such that the RTX brand has often become indistinguishable from actual ray tracing for some, it's not worth splitting hairs over.
I don't detest that. It's not logical to expect the 2080Ti to hold well in RT games after say 4 years, just like it's not logical to expect it to last 4 years in non RT games.The consoles won't be using RTX, Muhammed. Ray-tracing will be widespread in time but I doubt my RTX 2080 Ti will hold up well by the time it is widespread.
Just a nitpick, detest means hate/dislike, I think you meant contest.I don't detest that. It's not logical to expect the 2080Ti to hold well in RT games after say 4 years, just like it's not logical to expect it to last 4 years in non RT games.
The whole purpose of the thread is to illustrate that RT is here to stay and that it's adoption will increase going forward.
Microsoft says Xbox Series X is double the power of Xbox One X, can we safely assume this means 12TF of RDNA compute?Even the Xbox has an upgraded pipeline.
Double as in what though? Fixed-function hardware in special applications like RT? Raster? Regular GPU hardware running a specific RT engine? Too early for speculationMicrosoft says Xbox Series X is double the power of Xbox One X, can we safely assume this means 12TF of RDNA compute?