$1,200 better?
Yes, if money really means nothing to you then even a 5% increase in speed is worth paying $1,200.
Absolutely, for us at least. If someone told me they could add real time in game raytracing and DLSS to my 1080Ti and not loose any functionality, and it would cost 2,000.00, I'd say, go for it.$1,200 better?
Yes, if money really means nothing to you then even a 5% increase in speed is worth paying $1,200.
I can easily afford to spend that much, I have no limits on my computing budget other than being (to put it nicely) "thrifty." I'm just very far from being convinced that the 2080 ti is worth the price, especially before the NDAs expire and we start to get more trustworthy reviews.
Remember, it wasn't too long ago that sites like wccftech were claiming they knew we'd be getting a GTX 1180 for $700 in August. Don't trust the pre-release rumors and leaks.
Then it will work 35% better on a newer card and with RT and DLSS.
For us? It will never happen.I wonder how long Raytracing Enthusiasts go before Disabling it for more Frames.
Where did you see it said it gave less than 5fps? I doubt that's even close to accurate, frankly. I think you are full of BS.No it won't all of the benchmarks/games using ray tracing have been at 1080p in 60hz, that's kinda my point. If you're a 4k junkie you will not be using RT that's for sure, not if you want more than 5fps.
My point was, If like me you're kinda more inclined to stick with 4k for now rather than run 1080p with RT, then these chips aren't necessarily the best way to go, and that's because they have a lot of the transistors dedicated to RT-like workloads which presumably could have otherwise been used for rasterization. I'm guessing they're mostly idle on the chip if you're not doing any kind of RT, which is a massive waste. Now if AMD come out with a similar chip with no RT dedicated transistors, then it could be a lot faster for the 4k crowd, and if it's also 7nm with a large chip it could be a LOT faster, like blow Nvidia out the water kinda fast.
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No it won't all of the benchmarks/games using ray tracing have been at 1080p in 60hz, that's kinda my point. If you're a 4k junkie you will not be using RT that's for sure, not if you want more than 5fps.
My point was, If like me you're kinda more inclined to stick with 4k for now rather than run 1080p with RT, then these chips aren't necessarily the best way to go, and that's because they have a lot of the transistors dedicated to RT-like workloads which presumably could have otherwise been used for rasterization. I'm guessing they're mostly idle on the chip if you're not doing any kind of RT, which is a massive waste. Now if AMD come out with a similar chip with no RT dedicated transistors, then it could be a lot faster for the 4k crowd, and if it's also 7nm with a large chip it could be a LOT faster, like blow Nvidia out the water kinda fast.
That's all gross speculation though, but if that's what happens I might be back to AMD for the first time in many years.
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What? What does running benchmarks have to do with this? Running Battlefield 5 with ray tracing at 30 fps would feel and play like garbage compared to running Battlefield 5 at 144fps. That's why there is no possible way you can know whether this thing is gonna be worth it yet. We dont have the data.It's my opinion. That's all the basis I need.
From preliminary reports, it will run at 4k 1440 fps much better than the current cards.
But, that doesn't really matter to me as I said, I like playing games, not running benchmarks.
It's worth it if you are willing to spend the money. It is worth it to us to buy the cards, you might not be able or willing to buy them so they are not worth it for you. This was just my personal opinion of the cards and that's the fact.What? What does running benchmarks have to do with this? Running Battlefield 5 with ray tracing at 30 fps would feel and play like garbage compared to running Battlefield 5 at 144fps. That's why there is no possible way you can know whether this thing is gonna be worth it yet. We dont have the data.
I think this about sums it up. There are a lot of folks that won't buy a card until the generation after it is released, so a lot of people are buying the last generation now and will buy this new generation after the next is released and prices come down.It's this generations Titan X. Titan X was $1200 and this is ~35% faster + new RT and Tensor cores (likely with many new use cases), for the same $1200.
So it's certainly no worse than Titan X was, but Titan X and 2080Ti are expensive early adopter cards.
If you aren't an early adopter, it's not for you.
It's this generations Titan X. Titan X was $1200 and this is ~35% faster + new RT and Tensor cores (likely with many new use cases), for the same $1200.
So it's certainly no worse than Titan X was, but Titan X and 2080Ti are expensive early adopter cards.
If you aren't an early adopter, it's not for you.
That is fine and dandy, but why did you tout your opinion to others (who are fully capable of forming their own opinions)?My opinion is formed on whatever I want to form an opinion based on and nothing less or more.
That is fine and dandy, but why did you tout your opinion to others (who are fully capable of forming their own opinions)?
Money has a meaning to us, but in truth we have made hundreds of times more than that from our stock in nVidia, so it's like a dividend on an investment at this point. lol
Possibly, but we have about the same amount invested in AMD, Seagate, Western Digital, Samsung and Intel and other tech stocks, so there's that. I have AMD based and nVidia/Intel based systems in our office at homePossibly this:
If you have tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in nvidia stock, it's going to be hard for you to look at their products objectively.
My last 3 GPUs were nvidia (560ti, 680, 980ti) but since all of my investments are in index funds I have no financial bias in favor of them.
We'll find out how the 2080 and ti do for current games this week. For ray tracing it might take months or even years before most of us have a reason to care.
Exactly. By buying older products, the R&D costs have been recouped already and the prices are a lot lower even if it's useable life has been substantially cut back. I buy games that way. Wait for a new release and buy the last version on a sale.I hope they sell them for much as possible. I bought a new evga 1080 for $365. I know there wasn't much profit in that purchase for evga. I would not mind some people buying $1400 cards so companies like evga, asus, etc. can make a profit and stay in business because they won't be getting huge profits from me.
I hope they sell them for as much as possible. I bought a new evga 1080 for $365. I know there wasn't much profit in that purchase for evga. I would not mind some people buying $1400 cards so companies like evga, asus, etc. can make a profit and stay in business because they won't be getting huge profits from me.
SLI was cut to two way with the 10 series cards.more exciting if multi gpu actually was supported. Maybe when they put ray tracing on vulkan we can use a multi gpu setup to get all this eye candy while still maintaining fps. I dont understand why they dont program for it, cant nvidia pay them off so they will make people want to buy 3 2080ti's to power their 6k monitor.
LOL yeah, everyone will do that. The target market is so tiny it isn't worth the R&D costs.more exciting if multi gpu actually was supported. Maybe when they put ray tracing on vulkan we can use a multi gpu setup to get all this eye candy while still maintaining fps. I dont understand why they dont program for it, cant nvidia pay them off so they will make people want to buy 3 2080ti's to power their 6k monitor.