Razer's thrown down the gauntlet at XBox, PS3 and Wii

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Ackmed

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So at best the KB/M is as good as a controller and at worst the KB/M completely destroys the controller.

I would agree.

The simple fact is, a kb/mouse does give you better control, with better accuracy. There is no disputing this fact. Game developers make it easier to aim with a game pad, but several tricks. The most common is slowing down the speed on the cursor when over an enemy so it is easier to hit. That is just one "auto aim" tricks for consoles. This is common knowledge.

That doesnt mean someone is wrong for liking a gamepad better, or anything else. It is up to each person and their own opinion on what they like better. I like a gamepad on my PC for sports, or adventure games, like Lara Croft type games. You cannot however argue that a gamepad is as accurate as a mouse/kb. Which is why anytime its brought up that a real mouse and kb are coming to consoles, a lot of people complain. Because they know it will be an advantage.

A few years ago, PC Gamer setup a game of Halo 2 with their friends from the Official XBox magazine. They're both owned by the same company and work in the same building. The games were played on a PC, and the Xbox guys played with a controller. Despite the clear advantage of the Xbox guys knowing the game, maps, and weapons better, they got owned. I have done the same with a friend who claimed the gamepad was better, so we lanned up a few times with some classics. And I beat him every time. (deployed and little to do on the way back)

But as I said, it really doesnt matter. People like what they like, and there is nothing wrong with that. If I want to play standing on my head because that is what works for me, then so be it.

Quote from a recent Gameinformer magazine;
SNAPPING
Early first-person shooters on console struggled to make aiming feel intuitive and rewarding, since it was impossible to match the accuracy and speed of the PC's mouse interface. Snapping (also sometimes called auto aim) was the earliest solution to cnosole control problems. Titles like Rare's GoldenEye 007 aided players by reorienting their gun barrels toward enemies whenever a player's crosshairs were in proximity of their target. It wasn't a flawless system, but it helped make shooters more accessible for console owners.

ACCELERATION
Many modern FPS also have highly tuned acceleration curves for reticle movement. When a player pegs their aiming stick in one direction his or her reticle will start moving slowly in that direction before picking up speed. This is noteworthy because it makes aiming at nearby targets easier without significantly sacrificing a player's ability to make quick turns.

FRICTION
Bungie introduced friction in the first Halo, and nearly every shooter uses it today. A simple way to describe friction is that it slows a player's turn rate as soon as their reticle passes over an enemy, but that's not the whole story. "What we really do is slow your top speed, and then dramatically decrease the rate at which the crosshair will slow down when you let go of the stick," explains Griesemer.

MAGNETISM
Some games stop with friction, but Halo adds another system to the mix. Once a player has locked onto a target, and that target begins to move, magnetism helps players stay trained on that target.

Whether we want to admit it or not, we need the help. Console controllers aren't designed to move a crosshair across the screen with the kind of fidelity FPSes require. Aiming system are practically required from any FPS that wants to stay competitive.

Personally I am glad there are people smart enough out there to help. Because it would be really, really unpleasant to play a FPS with a controller if there was no help at all.
 
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videogames101

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I saw it and was like, all that for the price of a console? Awesome! Then I googled the price.

Jesus Razor, get a fvcking grip.
 

fantolay

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There hasn't really been that much discussion about console gaming being dead. Maybe the economy has stopped people from buying as many overpriced products from Razer, because it seems like they have created most of the rhetoric.
 

bunnyfubbles

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I was a bit surprised that they threw a GeForce GT 555M into this thing. It seems like they cared more about it being fairly thin rather than it being more capable as a gaming laptop.

The 555M starts to hit some low numbers (30-40 FPS) in relatively demanding games at 1600x900 with some of the bells and whistles turned on, which means it would be fairly unplayable or barely playable at 1080p.

Anandtech Bench link: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/395#

You can buy an Alienware M18x with 2x AMD Radeon 6990 Mobile in Crossfire for less than this laptop.

as dumb as it sounds that doesn't fit the angle Razer is going after, they're putting emphasis on laptop in the sense you'll actually be able to hold the system on your lap, ie its not inordinately heavy or hot, and it will likely have excellent battery life on the go, even while gaming (at least it had better, otherwise its an order of magnitude worse than it already is for $2800).

The gaming "laptops" you speak of aren't really laptops, but DTRs (desk top replacements) as they pack desktop level power into a portable form but not necessarily ideal for mobile use.


its a lot of typical lame Razer marketing but they're on to something, problem is they're $1000 over the mark for what their first attempt truly offers (unless it comes with $2000 worth of games or something like that they haven't told us yet ), especially when considering it doesn't even include a SSD (it should have at least a pair of them in RAID0 for $2800 to put the system in line with a high end Sony S or Z series laptop).
 

bunnyfubbles

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Now I'm really confused..because for $2800 I can build something much better and still have enough money left over to buy a 50" HD tv to go with it...dumbasses.

there are already some funny pics floating around where someone configures an amazon.com cart full of PC parts for an excellent PC gaming rig plus all 3 consoles with the total for everything ending up $2800
 

Dankk

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there are already some funny pics floating around where someone configures an amazon.com cart full of PC parts for an excellent PC gaming rig plus all 3 consoles with the total for everything ending up $2800

 

Grooveriding

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Most shocking thing about this... Somewhere at Razer there is/are one or more people responsible for dreaming this up and being given the go ahead to execute on it.

No company is safe from imbeciles being given latitude to fuck up the works.

This is so pathetic you would expect the whole marketing campaign leading to it and the culmination with this overpriced turd of a laptop to be a joke rather than reality.
 

Father Torque

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if there were cross platform play in NBA 2K or Madden, the KB/Mouse people would get utterly raped far worse than any cross platform fps
 

Aikouka

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as dumb as it sounds that doesn't fit the angle Razer is going after, they're putting emphasis on laptop in the sense you'll actually be able to hold the system on your lap, ie its not inordinately heavy or hot, and it will likely have excellent battery life on the go, even while gaming (at least it had better, otherwise its an order of magnitude worse than it already is for $2800).

I think the one aspect that you're forgetting is that while this laptop may be lighter than the M18x, it is still very large (17" LCD). I don't think you'll see too many people gaming with this on their lap (gaming on your lap isn't very fun anyway). The M18x was just an example as well. You could go with the slightly lighter M17x that has a single 6990 or 580 option (only M18 has Crossfire or SLi). If you want ultra-portable, the M11x is probably your best bet.

Man, I sound like an Alienware shill right now!

The gaming "laptops" you speak of aren't really laptops, but DTRs (desk top replacements) as they pack desktop level power into a portable form but not necessarily ideal for mobile use.

I know that I'd personally prefer the DTR over the overpriced gaming laptop. While the DTR isn't suited for a night at Starbucks, it's good for having a decent machine while on a trip. A laptop with a weaker GPU (like the 555M) would be fine with a smaller resolution (720p or so).

It's also a big bummer than a $2800 laptop doesn't even feature nVidia's 3D Vision.

its a lot of typical lame Razer marketing but they're on to something, problem is they're $1000 over the mark for what their first attempt truly offers (unless it comes with $2000 worth of games or something like that they haven't told us yet ), especially when considering it doesn't even include a SSD (it should have at least a pair of them in RAID0 for $2800 to put the system in line with a high end Sony S or Z series laptop).

Why would you need $2000 worth of games when you get that awesome, useless mini-LCD!? I don't see that thing being useful at all... it will most likely be no different than the Logitech G-series keyboards with a LCD as the game will have to support it.

Also, who the hell looks at their keyboard while gaming!?
 

blackened23

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Well, we all know many enthusiast products (IE Asus republic of gamers, etc) carry a price premium - but 2800? Jesus. This price makes me want to punch my puppy.

How does this price compare to say--Alienware?
 

VulgarDisplay

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You can get the Alienware m18x with SLi 6990m's for that price, and actually be able to run games in 1080p. Unlike this razer laptop.
 

Sulaco

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if there were cross platform play in NBA 2K or Madden, the KB/Mouse people would get utterly raped far worse than any cross platform fps

That might be THE most retarded post on here in awhile. And that is saying something.

As if anyone on the PC who plays NBA 2K (Madden hasn't been available in like 4 years) plays without a gamepad.
 
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Ackmed

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Pia

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The simple fact is, a kb/mouse does give you better control, with better accuracy. There is no disputing this fact. Game developers make it easier to aim with a game pad, but several tricks. The most common is slowing down the speed on the cursor when over an enemy so it is easier to hit. That is just one "auto aim" tricks for consoles. This is common knowledge.

That doesnt mean someone is wrong for liking a gamepad better, or anything else. It is up to each person and their own opinion on what they like better. I like a gamepad on my PC for sports, or adventure games, like Lara Croft type games. You cannot however argue that a gamepad is as accurate as a mouse/kb.
Yes I can. Try seriously playing a game like Grid Wars 2 (Geometry Wars clone), and you'll find a gamepad is the most accurate way to play and KB+M is pretty bad. I doubt those sports games would be much good with KB+M either. These are fundamentally different types of input devices (directional control vs pointing control), and there are advantages to both.
Which is why anytime its brought up that a real mouse and kb are coming to consoles, a lot of people complain. Because they know it will be an advantage.
It doesn't have to be like that even in FPSs - depends on design. I have a great deal of disdain for FPSs on consoles because all the ones I have seen have not been designed to leverage the gamepad above and beyond what KB+M can do. Instead they go with designs reminiscent of a KB+M PC shooter, gut them, and add artificial assist crap to squeeze the square design into the round hole of the gamepad. It's such a waste.
 

Pr0d1gy

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As anubis said, KB/Mouse shits all over controllers. Stick 5 kids who have been playing CS for a week on PC vs the best MLG team or whatever the current league is, and the PC players will win, and they won't just win, they will STOMP the console gamers.

Yeah because aiming with a mouse is so immensely different than aiming with a controller, right? You guys need to get over this PC gamers are more elite than console gamers BS. PC gamers get stomped when they try to play console & vice versa. It isn't because one plaltform or group is better, it is because playing with a different type of input device will always make you play like crap.
 

KaOTiK

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Yeah because aiming with a mouse is so immensely different than aiming with a controller, right? You guys need to get over this PC gamers are more elite than console gamers BS. PC gamers get stomped when they try to play console & vice versa. It isn't because one plaltform or group is better, it is because playing with a different type of input device will always make you play like crap.

 

VulgarDisplay

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Yeah because aiming with a mouse is so immensely different than aiming with a controller, right? You guys need to get over this PC gamers are more elite than console gamers BS. PC gamers get stomped when they try to play console & vice versa. It isn't because one plaltform or group is better, it is because playing with a different type of input device will always make you play like crap.

I'm a predominant PC player and when I play FPS games on console I still destroy console players just because PC players are just plain better. Gauntlet thrown down. here we go.
 

Lumathix

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Yeah because aiming with a mouse is so immensely different than aiming with a controller, right? You guys need to get over this PC gamers are more elite than console gamers BS. PC gamers get stomped when they try to play console & vice versa. It isn't because one plaltform or group is better, it is because playing with a different type of input device will always make you play like crap.

Are you serious? Mouse / Keyboard is MUCH more accurate, faster, more efficient when refering to FPS gaming. Come on man.

That being said, back on topic, I would NOT pay 2700 for this particular laptop. touchscreen interface in the keyboard or not. The specs are subpar to laptops you can get for half the price. Redonkulous.
 
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