RDNA Builders Thread - 5700 XT / 5700, etc.

[itsmydamnation]

I just got a ref 5700 couldnt resist the price of 480 aud Inc 10% tax, so reversing that out its 290usd. Ref 5700 normally got for about 590 aud

 

[B-Riz]

I just got a ref 5700 couldnt resist the price of 480 aud Inc 10% tax, so reversing that out its 290usd. Ref 5700 normally got for about 590 aud

Nice, I have been wondering lately if the 5700 will end up like the 290, most of the 290X's perf and still pretty dang good all these years later, lol.

 

[Dankk]

I bit the bullet and recently bought an RX 5700 (reference model).

Right off the bat, I'm getting a weird bug where, after I exit out of a game, the card's sensors "freeze up" and the temperature readings stay the same, the fan speed stays the exact same... even though when I physically reach my hand over behind the card, I can feel that it's much cooler.

When I open up Wattman, it just appears grayed-out and the "reset" button doesn't do anything. The issue doesn't go away until I reboot my computer. Any ideas?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Which card? A few AIBs have their own software, MSI afterburner is the best, but it was borked for me too. There have been two driver updates since returning mine, so hopefully you have better luck.

 

[Dankk]

I guess I spoke too soon. I did a clean wipe of both my GPU and chipset drivers, ran DDU in safe mode, and re-installed everything again. That seemed to fix my issue with "stuck sensors", and now my fan speed is properly ramping down after exiting a game. Which is odd, because I'm pretty sure I followed this exact same process the first time I installed, but oh well. Things are fine now.

So far the 5700 seems like a solid card. The blower cooler is a bummer - things are definitely loud and toasty - but it's not unlivable. I'm happy the cooler is at least inaudible while idling.

Wattman seems to prevent me from undervolting any further than 975mv. I can set the slider lower than this, but the lowest voltage that GPU-Z actually reports is 975, which tells me that maybe AMD implemented a "voltage floor" at this point that's unchangeable. It's still a nice little undervolt compared to stock I suppose.

In addition to undervolting, I also upped the GPU clock in Wattman to 1800Mhz. It's 100% stable so far, zero issues. (Granted: actual clock speed hovers more around ~1740Mhz.)

I might play with it more later, but so far I'm content. The ability for easy undervolt/overclock eliminates any regret for not getting the XT version. Power usage and performance look really good. (It's crazy how far Radeon has come since Vega.)

Which card? A few AIBs have their own software, MSI afterburner is the best, but it was borked for me too. There have been two driver updates since returning mine, so hopefully you have better luck.

This one's an XFX-branded card. I don't think they have any fancy software to speak of, but for now, Wattman satisfies my needs.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Have any of you tried implementing powerplay tables for your Navi? There's a handy tool for that over on OCN:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/67-...adeon-vii-tweaking-overclocking-software.html

Right now it only works on reference Navi and of course Radeon VII. I used it on Radeon VII and it's been an eye-opener how much better the card is now that I can go above +20% power limit. Just like my old VegaFE . . . well, almost.

To use, you just dump a BIOS file with GPU-z and then load up a default powerplay table from the .rom file. Edit the values as appropriate. Oh, and you have to reboot after you hit the write button. Duh. Almost forgot that step.

 

[Dankk]

I've tinkered with my 5700 a bit further. I set the GPU clock all the way up to 1850Mhz, the highest Wattman will allow it to go.

Since I can't seem to set the voltage any lower than 975mv, I moved the Power Limit down to -10% to see if I could make the card run a bit cooler while also still maintaining good clocks.

The card is still running like a champ. Running Unigine Heaven on loop, the GPU clock is regularly hitting almost 1800Mhz, while the power usage sits at only ~125 watts. For temperature, the main GPU temp barely breaks 80 degrees (maybe 81 or 82). Hot spot temperature barely breaks 90 degrees. Keep in mind, this is a blower cooler in my warm apartment during the middle of August, so I suspect it will get cooler as the weather gets better.

Pretty nifty overall. It seems like a no-brainer to immediately undervolt this card and then OC it as high as it will go. Either that, or I just happened to acquire a good specimen.

Next item of business is probably to figure out a way to remove the 1850Mhz clock limit imposed by AMD, if that's even possible right now.

 

[extide]

I've tinkered with my 5700 a bit further. I set the GPU clock all the way up to 1850Mhz, the highest Wattman will allow it to go.

Since I can't seem to set the voltage any lower than 975mv, I moved the Power Limit down to -10% to see if I could make the card run a bit cooler while also still maintaining good clocks.

The card is still running like a champ. Running Unigine Heaven on loop, the GPU clock is regularly hitting almost 1800Mhz, while the power usage sits at only ~125 watts. For temperature, the main GPU temp barely breaks 80 degrees (maybe 81 or 82). Hot spot temperature barely breaks 90 degrees. Keep in mind, this is a blower cooler in my warm apartment during the middle of August, so I suspect it will get cooler as the weather gets better.

Pretty nifty overall. It seems like a no-brainer to immediately undervolt this card and then OC it as high as it will go. Either that, or I just happened to acquire a good specimen.

Next item of business is probably to figure out a way to remove the 1850Mhz clock limit imposed by AMD, if that's even possible right now.

You might be able to remove it with the software linked in the post above yours.

 

[Dankk]

You might be able to remove it with the software linked in the post above yours.

Ah, right, I actually saw that tool linked on Reddit.

Very tempting. I may give that a try soon.

Edit: I take back what I said about the card running 100% stable at 1800Mhz at 975mv. Had a driver crash during a round of KF2, so I'll probably dial down the clocks a bit. I'll continue tweaking.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

How low have people been able to go with their manual undervolting of a 5700XT?
I'm mostly gaming at 4K with a 60 fps limit applied. Not tried manually undervolting yet, though the auto-undervolt in Wattman barely lowers the curve; it does kick up typical clocks from 1870MHz to 2000MHz though (with the default target of 2054MHz and the auto-undervolt of 1151MHz) .
In the games that I've played thus far (Forza Horizon 4 and War Thunder) I'm clearly consuming more power than I need at the 60fps limit.

 

[DisEnchantment]

I bought an XFX RX 5700 XT THICC II, been playing CS:GO the GPU is never hitting above 60% usage.
I have an XFX RX 480 GTR on my other rig, and the FPS is not much different.
I think my 1700X is holding it back. Been waiting for my 3900X for one and half months.

I am tired of silvers pushing me with their P90. So trying to get good gear to fight back. My ping is low single digit/ Acer Freesync 1440p / 144 Hz / 210+ FPS w/RX 5700 XT
I will test out Anti Lag.

 

[Dankk]

Dang, where did you manage to pick up the 5700 XT THICC already? I assume you're in Europe?

 

[DisEnchantment]

I bought from Amazon.de/Germany and it is sold by NR INFO and it got shipped from Spain. Took 3 days.

 

[Veradun]

You can probably improve your THICC changing the thermal pads with better ones since it has those strange steel plates bolted on the main radiator as gddr radiators. They did this also on the RX480 I believe.

BTW I returned my raference because while far quieter than expected it's still too loud for my build (and I need it to stay that way with my second child coming soon ).
ATM I'm waiting to see Devil's street-price, if crazy I'll go for the Pulse.

 

[Shmee]

I am likely going to wait for a higher end Navi card or equivalent, but I am wondering why it is so difficult to find good non reference 5700 cards? I have consistently seen pulses all sold out, and I don't think I have ever actually seen a site offer a red devil.

What gives? Where are all the non reference cards?

 

[EXCellR8]

ASRock releasing a Taichi 5700 XT:

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-radeon-rx-5700-xt-taichi-oc-pictured

Actually looks pretty nice imho

 

[Kenmitch]

I am likely going to wait for a higher end Navi card or equivalent, but I am wondering why it is so difficult to find good non reference 5700 cards? I have consistently seen pulses all sold out, and I don't think I have ever actually seen a site offer a red devil.

What gives? Where are all the non reference cards?

Most people don't have a Microcenter around them, but it looks like they are getting them in now.

https://www.microcenter.com/search/...y=match&N=4294816111+4294818864&myStore=false

 

[Dankk]

I am likely going to wait for a higher end Navi card or equivalent, but I am wondering why it is so difficult to find good non reference 5700 cards? I have consistently seen pulses all sold out, and I don't think I have ever actually seen a site offer a red devil.

What gives? Where are all the non reference cards?

AIB navi designs are still very new, and people are snatching them up pretty much immediately.

I've seen the Red Devil XT appear on Newegg and Amazon for all of about 2 minutes before getting sold out again. Non-XT models less so, but even those are still selling out pretty quickly. Powercolor deserves it though; they did a fantastic job getting their top-end cooling solution out before any other manufacturer, so it's easy to see why it's in high demand. It's the best 5700 card out there right now.

Pulse is a great runner-up, but I think Sapphire's true top-end models will manifest as a Nitro or a Toxic card later this month.

MSI's custom cards are not selling quite as well, perhaps because they half-arsed the thermal pads. I'm not hearing great things about the XFX THICC either. Shame to hear that some manufacturers just don't care enough about Navi to design a proper cooler for it.

Overall though? I would just wait another month and I think things should calm down. By that point there will be more models out, and hopefully you can just visit Amazon or Newegg and buy one without having to deal with the riff raff.

 

[Avalon]

Just ordered my Sapphire Pulse 5700 vanilla, $359 shipped @ Newegg. Will be here early next week, can't wait!

 

[Dankk]

Can you guys report what memory temperature you're getting while under load?

After several minutes of straight load, my memory temps reach up to 92 or 93 C. And to top it off - this isn't even on a reference card, but rather, a Powercolor Red Devil that I just picked up a few days ago.

Regular GPU temperature looks great, but memory temperature looks surprisingly high, considering how good of a cooler the Red Devil is supposed to have. I did a brief google search, and it looks like another user with the same card is also getting similar temps on load (about 92 C).

What is the max limit on Navi's memory temperature, anyway?

 

[Veradun]

Can you guys report what memory temperature you're getting while under load?

After several minutes of straight load, my memory temps reach up to 92 or 93 C. And to top it off - this isn't even on a reference card, but rather, a Powercolor Red Devil that I just picked up a few days ago.

Regular GPU temperature looks great, but memory temperature looks surprisingly high, considering how good of a cooler the Red Devil is supposed to have. I did a brief google search, and it looks like another user with the same card is also getting similar temps on load (about 92 C).

What is the max limit on Navi's memory temperature, anyway?

GDDR6 specs cap out operating temp at 95°C IIRC

 

[Avalon]

Can you guys report what memory temperature you're getting while under load?

After several minutes of straight load, my memory temps reach up to 92 or 93 C. And to top it off - this isn't even on a reference card, but rather, a Powercolor Red Devil that I just picked up a few days ago.

Regular GPU temperature looks great, but memory temperature looks surprisingly high, considering how good of a cooler the Red Devil is supposed to have. I did a brief google search, and it looks like another user with the same card is also getting similar temps on load (about 92 C).

What is the max limit on Navi's memory temperature, anyway?

Sure thing. Do you know if your cooler directly touches/cools your memory chips? If it does, that temp seems high. If not, sounds about right.

 

[Dankk]

Sure thing. Do you know if your cooler directly touches/cools your memory chips? If it does, that temp seems high. If not, sounds about right.

I'm not sure. I don't think I'm feeling adventurous enough to disassemble my card and find out either. I wish that a channel like GamersNexus or someone would do a detailed tear-down of this card, but I'm not sure if anyone has really done it yet.

If you have time, please try this: Run any game that can continuously render a complex scene for at least 15 minutes, without pausing or fading to black at any point. In that case, I've found that stuff like Firestrike or Heaven are not great for testing this. It needs to be 100% continuous, preferably rendering the exact same scene.

For example, I've just been sitting on a cliffside in Far Cry Primal, watching the view, and not touching anything. Doing this will easily make my VRAM temperature max out at 92-94 C.

Maybe Far Cry Primal is just really VRAM intensive (thanks to the high-res texture pack, maybe). I'll try stress testing with some other games.

I may also just have to admit that I live in a hot apartment, and my computer case (a Define R6) doesn't have the best airflow.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Dankk

Usually the GPU heats up faster than RAM due to airflow problems and/or high ambients. Usually.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm not sure. I don't think I'm feeling adventurous enough to disassemble my card and find out either.

Given this info, and since I suspect it is an assembly issue, RMA and try again, is my advice.

BTW, how is the overall experience? Video codec problems? Tried any older games? I ask because Fallout 4 had weird hitching on my reference model. And video playback was just a mess. The bleeding edge always hurts. But it has been over 6 weeks since I RMA'd, and before I pull the trigger on 5700 XT again, I want to know if it is a hemophiliac.