Discussion RDNA4 + CDNA3 Architectures Thread

[DisEnchantment]

With the GFX940 patches in full swing since first week of March, it is looking like MI300 is not far in the distant future!
Usually AMD takes around 3Qs to get the support in LLVM and amdgpu. Lately, since RDNA2 the window they push to add support for new devices is much reduced to prevent leaks.
But looking at the flurry of code in LLVM, it is a lot of commits. Maybe because US Govt is starting to prepare the SW environment for El Capitan (Maybe to avoid slow bring up situation like Frontier for example)

See here for the GFX940 specific commits

History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

github.com

Or Phoronix

More AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

There is a lot more if you know whom to follow in LLVM review chains (before getting merged to github), but I am not going to link AMD employees.

I am starting to think MI300 will launch around the same time like Hopper probably only a couple of months later!
Although I believe Hopper had problems not having a host CPU capable of doing PCIe 5 in the very near future therefore it might have gotten pushed back a bit until SPR and Genoa arrives later in 2022.
If PVC slips again I believe MI300 could launch before it

This is nuts, MI100/200/300 cadence is impressive.



Previous thread on CDNA2 and RDNA3 here

Question - Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now. First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time! Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[SolidQ]

They have probably not made any new rdna3 for a while now.

except 7650GRE, need get rid bad wafers before N44

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Let me rephrase that, they are probably still making RDNA3 cards. The economics for AIB manufacture are much more favorable for slow continuous production. But the chips they are putting in those cards were all made a long time ago, and they are probably not making any more.

 

[marees]

Let me rephrase that, they are probably still making RDNA3 cards. The economics for AIB manufacture are much more favorable for slow continuous production. But the chips they are putting in those cards were all made a long time ago, and they are probably not making any more.

You mean the chips were baked in the oven, a long time ago.
But these cold chips are being packed into fresh GPU cards

Why not bake less RDNA 3 ?
Or did they place RDNA 3 orders for the chips when RDNA 2 was at its peak due to covid shortage

 

[Tuna-Fish]

You mean the chips were baked in the oven, a long time ago.
But these cold chips are being packed into fresh GPU cards

Yep.

Why not bake less RDNA 3 ?
Or did they place RDNA 3 orders for the chips when RDNA 2 was at its peak due to covid shortage

Yep. It's all based on estimation of demand. They overestimated, so they have too much of them. They may have underestimated some other product, and now have too little of it. The fundamental problem here is that the timeline from ordering chips from TSMC to delivery of actual product to consumers is way too long for product cycles. You cannot really respond to demand, you just estimate it and hope you got it right. If you guessed too high, you get stuck with piles of rapidly depreciating chips that cost you a pretty penny, if you guessed too low you run out of product to sell. Both situations suck, but the former sucks more. They are not really trading off between products, as the relevant process has slack at TSMC.

 

[Mahboi]

but different instances?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844356879771959775

Wait I just realised, that means that on CES they'll advertise both Halo and RDNA 4?
Sounds like mixed signals already.

"this is our new top tier amazing APU with our new-old RDNA 3.5 that has meh raytracing that's still amazing raytracing, and this is our real new architecture that has actual raytracing hardware that makes even more amazing raytracing"

 

[jpiniero]

"this is our new top tier amazing APU with our new-old RDNA 3.5 that has meh raytracing that's still amazing raytracing, and this is our real new architecture that has actual raytracing hardware that makes even more amazing raytracing"

I imagine Lisa will spend the entire time on Strix Halo talking about AI.

 

[SolidQ]

RDNA4 is 8x2? Based on Kepler_l2 info

 

[soresu]

"this is our new top tier amazing APU with our new-old RDNA 3.5 that has meh raytracing that's still amazing raytracing, and this is our real new architecture that has actual raytracing hardware that makes even more amazing raytracing"

They'll probably just downplay Halo's RT to focus on overall perf.

 

[Mahboi]

I imagine Lisa will spend the entire time on Strix Halo talking about AI.

They'll probably just downplay Halo's RT to focus on overall perf.

Likely that yep.
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