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Bob/NYC

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Nice gag! Look it up in the Congressional record, don't paste an easily proven lie, to cloud a grander lie.

The current 106th Senate Bill S.2594 pertained to the 1939 `Water Conservation and Utilization Act', not ftp://algore.kkk All wet comes to mind...
 

Unclemo

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I love laughing at others stupidity. Let's get rid of all the greedy corporate companies and have the government run them all for not-for-profit. Our lives would be filled with joy. And for godsakes let's take all the money from the tobacco companies and give it to the dumb smokers who appear have no idea what they are doing to themselves. The hell with all of us innocent second hand smokers!

I'm sorry... I just had to get me anger out towards these greedy evils in our society.

 

Icarus

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Nice gag! Look it up in the Congressional record, don't paste an easily proven lie, to cloud a grander lie. The current 106th Senate Bill S.2594...

You apparently need a lesson in government 101. There's also a Senate Bill 2594 from the 105th Congress, the 104th Congress, and so on.

As I said. It was 1986.

You're correct, all wet does come to mind.

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Bob/NYC

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Bill Summary & Status for the 106th Congress

S.2594
Sponsor: Sen Allard, Wayne (introduced 5/18/2000)
Latest Major Action: 9/28/2000 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General
Orders. Calendar No. 849.
Title: A bill to authorize the Secretary of the Interior to contract with the Mancos Water
Conservancy District to use the Mancos Project facilities for impounding, storage,
diverting, and carriage of nonproject water for the purpose of irrigation, domestic,
municipal, industrial, and any other beneficial purposes.
 

Aquarius

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You ever notice why the democrats keep standing by the three principles of tax cuts for the "hard working men and women of the middle class," better prescription drug benefits, and social security? Well, its because they keep failing to do so every freakin time. So, will Gore actually do it this year? Don't bet on it.
 

fdiskboy

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It is simply amazing the lengths to which some will go to defend their candidate.

Icarus,
You must have missed the report which clearly stated that Gore handlers have a hard time with Gore's tendencies to just make things up. I realize you can and will rationalize it all away. If he stuck to the whole truth all the time, maybe you could spend less time explaining his lies and half-truths away and more time talking about issues. Unfortunately, Gore's tendency to stretch the truth has BECOME the issue.
 

gwbaker

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Okay, one LAST point and I am done with this one...

Better off now than 8 years ago.... YES... But who in their right mind thinks GOVERNMENT has a DAMN thing to do with the fact that I am better off. It is a result of MY hard work, determination, and good decisions. ANYONE who thinks the government determines how well they do is just a lamb waiting to get screwed by the hearder. Wake up people! YOU are why you do well, YOU are why you don't do well. YOUR decisions determine your path. YOUR mistakes cause YOUR problems.
 

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hychka

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gwbaker,

Certainly you worked hard, made good decisions and used your intelligence to make money.

However, if interest rates and unemployment are high, fewer people can buy your stuff or pay your price.

Inflation steals your profits.

Interest rates, unemployment and inflation are controllable by sound and intelligent government ... something we didn't have under either Carter or Reagan.

The Bush years were better, but in terms of the big three...unemployment, inflation and interest rates...these past 8 years have been the best this country has seen in over 75 years!!

Go ahead and take a bow. But, you didn't do it ALL yourself.

 

Niege

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Right on, Gustavus!!!!

Congratulations to the Republicans. They have taken a word, 'liberal' , and turned it into a bigger epithet than 'communist.' Great job of PR. The original word, liberal, would now apply to the right wing of the Republican party.

Conratulations to the Democrats. They have taken the word 'children' and made it into a mindless plea for everything under the sun, debasing all our basic emotions.

An ominous thing, some think, is that the gap between the richest and poorest people in this country, not to mention the world, is wider than at any time in history, and still increasing. The combined wealth of the richest 300 individuals is greater than the combined wealth of the poorest 2.5 BILLION people. This is not good for social stability. Surely there is enough money to feed everyone.

The great issue in this election is who will appoint the next members of the Supreme Court. Think very carefully. This is about much more than gas prices.

As for those who say "Love (my way of thinking) or leave (the country)." You obviously haven't enough education to know that it is in the disagreements that our strengths emerge and that it is mindless toads like yourself that are the truly frightening ones.

 

Unclemo

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hychka,
You say "Certainly you worked hard, made good decisions and used your intelligence to make money."

Learn some about fiscal and monetary policy before talking foolish. Greenspan and co. are more important to the economy than the president alone. The preseident just gets in the way and stresses interest rates and the economy. Some of the policies that both presidential candidates works against the FED. Gore will destroy interest rates and inflation. A month ago I watch him give a speech and he stated the following three things that would happen if he is elected.

1. He would lower interest rates with his policies and would allow more people to be able to own there own home.
2. He would lower unemployment (which is almost unexistent and any less Greenspan would be raising rates like crazy)
3. The "American people" would realize "1/3 more income through ECONOMIC EXPANSION" (whatever that means! hehehe)

Now, any moron or idiot that knows enough about the economy would realize this is all impossible and very very dangeruous to the economy of this country.

Reagan conquered inflation, he did not start it. Rates and employment were horrible when he took office and the only way to beat it was by taking on debt and growing the country. That is how you grow and prosper...

I want you to do this: Explain all the policies Clinton put into place that allowed the economy to grow. Give us the changes he made to this country that allowed the economy to grow so much. I can't wait for you to come up with these.

 

WATERBUFFALO

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THE MOST DISGUSTING IS A REPUBLICAN BELABORING HORSESH*T FACTS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT REAGAN, WHO DESTROYED THE USA.

THE ONLE PERSON RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT WOULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT IS RALPH NADER. IT'S A GOOD THING HE DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN OR BUSH WOULD KILL HIM.
 

hychka

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Unclemo,

Naming accomplishments that lead directly to a booming economy is simple.

1.)Peace.

2.)Reduced military spending, because there are no enemies out there capable of invading us, resulted in money being spent for investments in our collective futures, not down a rat hole.

3.)Reduced deficit.

4.)Regulatory rulings favorable to business, high employment and business expansion.

5.)Winning a second term in office, giving everyone (business, our allies and enemies, and shoppers) reassurance of continuity and stable policies.

6.)Expanded "free trade."

7.)Low interest rates, low inflation and low unemployment.

You're misinformed on the role of the Federal Reserve...the Fed and its board REACT to the economy and the actions of the administration to keep things in balance. Without an administration stoking the fire, there would be nothing for them to react to.

Naming aspects of Bush's plans that will ruin a good thing are just as easy.
1.)His #s greatly exceed the Congressional Budget Committee's agreed upon assumptions as to what the economy is likely to do...therefore, like his daddy and that mentally challenged Reagan, he'll run a massive deficit.

2.)His tax cut plans will create inflation...taxes are deflationary and a radical reduction will cause radical inflation.

3.)Giving everyone a portion of their SS to invest will improve the take of CEOs on stock performance bonuses and stockbrokers, but will only create inflationary increases in the portfolios the rest of us own..demand in face of finite supply causes increased prices. Also, with the short fall this policy will create for SS entitlements, our taxes will increase as those entitlements are in place and have to be honored.

And, in keeping with the tone of this thread, let me make my most compelling agrument for electing Gore..."W" is a stupid, snorting, born again hillbilly!!!

Hey, Unclemo, this is fun!! What else yah got??

Sign me "Proud to be a card carrying liberal!" If conservatives were in charge in 1775,there would still be 13 colonies!!

 

Unclemo

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You failed in arguing. Those statements listed are simply things that happened during his presidency. Reducing military is not beneficial to the economy or the country. The money saved there is just spent on worthless welfare and other demo junk. He is not the only one that has reduced the deficit. And how in the world do you think Clinton did "Low interest rates, low inflation and low unemployment"? He does not control those variables. And when you add the congress to the equation he has much less of an impact when compared to the FED. And you did NOT specifically mention ONE policy/law he ALONE contributed to the growth of the economy. Please cite specific examples when trying to prove that Clinton grew this economy.

You state: "Without an administration stoking the fire, there would be nothing for them to react to."

That is not true. There would still be business cycles and other inputs into the economic equation. Telling me I am misinformed about the role of the FED is amusing.
 

hychka

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"Telling me I am misinformed about the role of the FED is amusing."

I'm having lunch with a Fed governor in an hour. As a "senior member" what do you know?

If the president has no impact on what happens, why do you care who gets elected.

Maybe you wentto business school, but you must have failed logic 100.

Come on, unclemo, you have to have better than that!!



 

wesman2

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Naming accomplishments that lead directly to a booming economy is simple.

1.)Peace.

2.)Reduced military spending, because there are no enemies out there capable of invading us, resulted in money being spent for investments in our collective futures, not down a rat hole.

Clinton has deployed US troops more than any other president. Increasing the duties of our armed forces, while cutting the their budget. This has left our military in the worst state of readiness since WWII. I'm not for increased military spending, but don't use our troops as international cops.

3.)Reduced deficit.

The republican congress shoved this down his throat. The welfare reform act, in perticular, not only cut the budget moved many welfare recipients into the work force.

4.)Regulatory rulings favorable to business, high employment and business expansion.

True, the best thing the Clinton administration did for the economy was nothing. As far as favorable rulings and business expansion, I don't think a republican administration would have ruled against businesses. personally, I think the feds should re-evaluate their policy regarding corporate mergers. A few years ago they nixed the staples/office depot merger (not enough Office superstores around), but they let mobil/exxon go thru.


5.)Winning a second term in office, giving everyone (business, our allies and enemies, and shoppers) reassurance of continuity and stable policies.

I hardly think keeping your job can be seen as an accompishment of the administration that helped the economy.

6.)Expanded "free trade."

Just about the only people against NAFTA was Perot, and the unions. But then again just look how popular the WTO was in Seattle.

7.)Low interest rates, low inflation and low unemployment.

You're misinformed on the role of the Federal Reserve...the Fed and its board REACT to the economy and the actions of the administration to keep things in balance. Without an administration stoking the fire, there would be nothing for them to react to.


Your right in that the fed does react, however it is to the ECONOMY that they react in order to keep things in balance. The market soars, inflation increases...the fed raises rates. It's complex and takes a guy like greenspan to slow growth without smothering it. The only thing the admin does to "stroke the fire" is get out of the way (excluding the fed, which can play with rates). Of course, the administration does need to balance letting companies prosper with protecting the enviromental, economical and civil rights of the people.


Naming aspects of Bush's plans that will ruin a good thing are just as easy.
1.)His #s greatly exceed the Congressional Budget Committee's agreed upon assumptions as to what the economy is likely to do...therefore, like his daddy and that mentally challenged Reagan, he'll run a massive deficit.

Bush's plan outspends the projected surplus by about the same amount as the Gore plan. Both assume robust economic growth like that we have seen for the last several years, which is not likely. The difference is Gore will spend it on new programs, while Bush will cut taxes and therfore never collect the needed revenue. Since it's hard to shrink the goverment once it grows I prefer the Bush plan.

2.)His tax cut plans will create inflation...taxes are deflationary and a radical reduction will cause radical inflation.

In general this is true, but the effects of this tax cut will be spread over 10 years and many economist think that greenspan is overreacting to current inflation level and the economy is slowing too fast. The additional income from these tax cuts may offset that trend.


3.)Giving everyone a portion of their SS to invest will improve the take of CEOs on stock performance bonuses and stockbrokers, but will only create inflationary increases in the portfolios the rest of us own..demand in face of finite supply causes increased prices. Also, with the short fall this policy will create for SS entitlements, our taxes will increase as those entitlements are in place and have to be honored.


The percentage of the SS fund that would be invested in the stock market would be small, but still a large amount in actual dollars. Currently the return rate on a individuals investment from SS is 2% annually. Even during the United States worst economic period (the depression) the stockmark doubled this return rate over a 10 year period. Since only younger people would be able to divert a portion of their SS fund into the stock market, they would be investing for 30-40 years.

What I would really like is the option to Opt out of SS. I'm saving for retirement and I dont need the goverment taking money I could put into bonds and easily out perform them, with the same security.

As far as Icarus's post defending Gore's 'misstatements'. I'm sorry to tell you Icarus, but most of those statements are true. And it is not Republican propoganda, on half of the statements I have seen Gore advisors defending him. The most common defense is that Gore misstated or some thing like "This isn't even worth discussing, let's get to the real issues", which is another way of saying it's true.

The only statment on which Gore may have had a legitimate defense was the case of the girl who stood in class for a day. The article which gore was sent incorrectly stated that the girl stood for the first several days of class. However, in the debates Gore insinuated that the girl has to stand everyday of school. I beleive this topic will be raised at the debates tommorow night, I just hope Bush and Lehrer put his feet to the flames.

Also:

Fiction: Gore stated at the first debate that he had accompanied Federal Emergency Management Agency head James Lee Witt to fires in Texas in 1996.

Fact: Gore recieved a breifing in the airport hanger from an assistant to Witt, on his way to a Texas fundraiser hundreds of miles away from the areas affected by the fires. Gore said he may have "got that wrong" the next morning on Good Morning America.


Hell, I just felt like ranting. I don't care who you vote for, the parties are converging on most economic issues. Personally, I'm voting for Nader. Mostly to promote a national third party. And I haven't slept in 22 hours so excuse the typos, misspellings, false statements, and racial slurs.




(Hey, I'm watching Win Ben Stien's money and one of the contestants is named Anand....could it be? )


 

Cheezy

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OK I just got a couple things to say..

#1 I am not a huge fan of Reagan but I will say that the reason why he left the country in such a huge debt was a good one. This reason was that we spent the Soviet Union into the ground and beat them in the cold war. That is why there was such a big debt and even though that sucks, we could have been the Soviet Union collapsing if they outspent us....Maybe not but who knows.

#2 Al Gore...I am all for raising gas prices. We will run out of fuel shortly at the rate we are going. Plus I dont want future generations living in a f*cked up world because of the problems we caused.

There is no reason for one man or woman or couple to drive around in a SUV. If you go camping or go off roading then maybe a SUV is a good thing, but to drive around the burbs and look cool? C'mon drive a car. I dont feel bad for the people like that who drive those things around.

I drive a 2000 mustang i get 30 mpg on the highway...I am satisfied with that. I know I could get better with another car but I am not complaining. Note: I do feel bad for the men and woman that drive vans and things of that nature for a private business...They depend on gas guzzlers like that. Maybe they should get a break.

#3 I also dont like Al Gore for one reason....His running mate. Lieberman is for censorship and I dont want a guy like that as VP. I know he cant censor everything but I hate even having someone in there that thinks he can cut violence or dirty words out of music. PISS OFF LIEBERMAN!!!!!
 

fdiskboy

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I didn't know that having lunch with someone made one an expert on that person's field. Wow. The possiblities are endless.

I need to schedule some lunch meetings for sure!
 

Unclemo

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So, what Fed governor are you eating out? Mentioning some nonsense about me being a senior member just makes me wonder if you are a child-like creature. So, show me what ya got! ya... take that! Ya... give it to me... Ya I am better than that. Ya you are annoying...
 

avhokie

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<< Is it true that &quot;GOP&quot; stands for &quot;Greedy Old People?&quot; >>



Seems to me that the Democrats are the real greedy ones. As long as there is money in their pockets, they don't give a crap about honor, integrity, honesty, etc or anything else that has to do with our President.
 

hychka

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Since you asked, the Fed governor at luch today said that it was our national investments in technology and the resultant efficencies from those investments that lead to the present and continuing strong economy. The reduced deficit and reduced military spending certainly helped.

My observation was that &quot;W&quot;'s tax cut plan doesn't leave much to make significant investments in the future....and that's called &quot;eating your crop seed.&quot; Nobody seemed to disagree with that.

Unclemo, how was your lunch? Why not try a little crow?



 

Unclemo

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What's your point? Almost everyone agrees that the technology is what allowed the economic boom. So, thanks for helping prove that it was the internal structure of this country that allowed the economy to grow as it has and not Clinton. Oh, what was the fed governor's name?

BTW You sound like a brown nosing little $hit. I can just imagine what you must look like... anyhow, do you know how to field dress? ahhh....
 

hychka

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Unclemo,

No mas! No mas!

I yield to your superior logic, use of facts, testimony from others and debate skills!

&quot;W&quot; is clearly in a class of his own...yours.

 
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