Reaction to the Intel Dual Core Article

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't read it at all unless linked to it. I don't get a chub for rumormongering, correct or not.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I don't read it at all unless linked to it. I don't get a chub for rumormongering, correct or not.

they have been generally "dead on" in their ATI/nVidia predictions of future offerings for over a year now . . .

the inq is generally "worth a read" if you remember it's "value" [or lack, therof]

 

[tynopik]

Originally posted by: Pariah

So which one of those would be considered a game?

So who's the clueless loser now?

YOU

yes anand didn't any games in the first part, however he is WRONG on several accounts

1. the pentium-D is not being marketed as a 'gaming chip'
2. the lack of games does NOT imply any nefarious sucking-up to intel

his entire line of reasoning that since Anand didn't bench any games in the FIRST part of a TWO part review, that he is clearly on Intel's payroll is completely, utterly and patently absurd

Anand CLEARLY stated SEVERAL TIMES that dual core doesn't offer any benefit for games. And this isn't any surprise, there have been MANY benchmarks over the years showing dual-processor systems offer no improvement for games

so instead of 100 graphs showing OLD NEWS THAT EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS, i really appreciated his attempt to show where the DIFFERENCES are. Anandtech assumes a semi-intelligent readerbase that can examine the review and determine if it applies to themselves.

If the multi-tasking scenarios presented didn't sound like something you do and you only cared about gaming performance, then by all means, avoid these chips. However they did sound similar to lots of things I do and i found his comments on these situations very informative and helpful

 

[EndGame]

Inq had a piece up responding to letters they must have received in response to the Inq. rant. It basicly tore into A/T and it's members but it was pulled very quickly.......fearing response from A/T??? LOL!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: EndGame
Inq had a piece up responding to letters they must have received in response to the Inq. rant. It basicly tore into A/T and it's members but it was pulled very quickly.......fearing response from A/T??? LOL!

you didn't copy it?

:roll:
from the article:

The simple fact is that these chips suck on games, so the preview was done either implicitly, explicitly, or with bushels of cash, but it was done is a very deliberate fashion. And you probably believed it. Think I am full of crap? Look at how many reviews the top sites did before today of either CPUs or GPUs, and count the numbers that had zero games. Count the number that did not even speculate about gaming performance. See a pattern? Toss in a few factual oddities, stretchings of the truth at the most innocent, and you have a wonderfully deniable bending of the truth with a purpose.

Yes, now that the author has written to me and stated he 'stands by his story', why "yes", he IS full of crap.

it'd be "accurate" IF there was no part two in Anand's article.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: EndGame
Inq had a piece up responding to letters they must have received in response to the Inq. rant. It basicly tore into A/T and it's members but it was pulled very quickly.......fearing response from A/T??? LOL!

you didn't copy it?

:roll:
from the article:

The simple fact is that these chips suck on games, so the preview was done either implicitly, explicitly, or with bushels of cash, but it was done is a very deliberate fashion. And you probably believed it. Think I am full of crap? Look at how many reviews the top sites did before today of either CPUs or GPUs, and count the numbers that had zero games. Count the number that did not even speculate about gaming performance. See a pattern? Toss in a few factual oddities, stretchings of the truth at the most innocent, and you have a wonderfully deniable bending of the truth with a purpose.

Yes, now that the author has written to me and stated he 'stands by his story', why "yes", he IS full of crap.

it'd be "accurate" IF there was no part two in Anand's article.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

No, it was earlier and I had no reason to believe it would disappear......went out for some coffee, came back to look for reaction and the article was gone...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: EndGame
Inq had a piece up responding to letters they must have received in response to the Inq. rant. It basicly tore into A/T and it's members but it was pulled very quickly.......fearing response from A/T??? LOL!

you didn't copy it?
. . . .

No, it was earlier and I had no reason to believe it would disappear......went out for some coffee, came back to look for reaction and the article was gone...

Bummer!

not in browser memory?

i would have like to read it

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Does the author assume that the people at A/T and elsewhere are so technologically ignorant that we didn't already understand that dual-core chips wouldn't have any significant impact on current games? If so, he's mightily underestimating his audience and comes off as even dumber than I initially thought.

 

[Pariah]

What part of waiting for an NDA to expire confused you?

What does the NDA have to do with you personally ripping someone for posting inaccurate information and then posting wrong information yourself to prove he was inaccurate, when in fact he wasn't? I'm not accusing Anand of anything. I really couldn't care less if he is on the take or not as I don't buy parts based on his articles (or any other single source), nor do I have any information for or against the non-specific accusations that the Inq article claims. But the non-opinion based information that the article contained about the Anand article was completely accurate and there for everyone to read in black and white. You wrongly accused someone else of basically being an idiot, and any back tracking or shifting of the topic does nothing to negate that.

Again, I have no info for or against the accusations the Inq posted, but anyone who believes nothing what this guy posted actually happens is either incredibly naive or just stupid depending on your perspective. We all want to believe our favorite sites have nothing but our best interests in mind and are nothing but honest to a fault, but the reality is few if any of us truly knows what goes on in the backrooms and who are the ones getting bonus pay days and who are the beacons of truth. Your only real protection is not to be so religious about sites and get your reviews from as many sources as you can and form your own opinion, not blindly follow someone else's.

 

[XBoxLPU]

Great article

 

[tynopik]

Originally posted by: Pariah

What part of waiting for an NDA to expire confused you?

But the non-opinion based information that the article contained about the Anand article was completely accurate and there for everyone to read in black and white.

including the part that called the Pentium-D a 'gaming chip'?

saying the non-opinion parts are true is like saying some of the facts present by the kkk are true. They are, but it's what they do with those facts that is disgusting.


he says not including gaming benches in part 1 proves anand is on the take

i say not including gaming benches is a good thing as it doesn't waste time with info everyone already knows (and in case you didn't, anand spelled it out for you AGAIN in the article)

i want previews to focus on the DIFFERENCES

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Pariah, any more ad homs you'd like to throw at me? Did you write that rant? I posted specifically about the attack on Anand. Anand stated the following on April 4th

Thanks so much for the comments, keep em coming in. This is just the first part, there's more coming. I've got another NDA tomorrow morning but then after that it's more dual core. Let me know what you want to see, I've already got quite a bit planned

And yes that die shot is correct, it is simply rotated 90 degrees clockwise to fit on the page better.

Take care,
Anand

The rant did not appear till the following day, thus had he done the research, he would have seen clear evidence Anand wasn't done yet, he was just doing the review in parts. What did the NDA have to do with it? That was the stated reason for the delay for the follow-up, so I consider it extremely pertinent despite any opinion you hold. Furthermore, I made no mention of any other website, nor stated in any way, shape, or form that I believed no such activity exist, that is your implication. Subsequently I cannot "backtrack" tracks I never laid. It also appears I am not alone in thinking the attack on Anand was uncalled for and erroneous, nor the only one who holds the writer in low estimation because of it. Now, I'm certain you would like to continue insulting me so, carry on.

 

[Erssa]

Originally posted by: Pariah

What part of waiting for an NDA to expire confused you?

What does the NDA have to do with you personally ripping someone for posting inaccurate information and then posting wrong information yourself to prove he was inaccurate, when in fact he wasn't? I'm not accusing Anand of anything. I really couldn't care less if he is on the take or not as I don't buy parts based on his articles (or any other single source), nor do I have any information for or against the non-specific accusations that the Inq article claims. But the non-opinion based information that the article contained about the Anand article was completely accurate and there for everyone to read in black and white. You wrongly accused someone else of basically being an idiot, and any back tracking or shifting of the topic does nothing to negate that.

Again, I have no info for or against the accusations the Inq posted, but anyone who believes nothing what this guy posted actually happens is either incredibly naive or just stupid depending on your perspective. We all want to believe our favorite sites have nothing but our best interests in mind and are nothing but honest to a fault, but the reality is few if any of us truly knows what goes on in the backrooms and who are the ones getting bonus pay days and who are the beacons of truth. Your only real protection is not to be so religious about sites and get your reviews from as many sources as you can and form your own opinion, not blindly follow someone else's.

Amen.

 

[Googer]

IF you want the reaction of the article, there is a comment section at the bottome of every article; so there is no need for this redundant thread.

As of Right NOW there are 98 comments
http://www.anandtech.com/talkarticle.aspx?i=2389

Look, near the bottom of the page is the comment section link.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2389

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Zucarita9000
Dual core will be extremely usefull as more application become multi threaded. You can benefit from dual core systems right now if you use 3ds max, Photoshop, Autocad, etc. But if a gamer is all you are, then no it'll be some time before game developers start to multi-thread them.

Dual core is intended for multitasking, and you can see from the reviews that is excels at it.

A lot of people here will say that dual core is useless and not worth it, but that's because all they do with their computers is play games. I would definetely benefit from dual core, as I multitask like hell. However, I just bought a new system on december 2004, so I'll just wait till Pressler or the next generation comes out.

i can tell you right now my next build is going to be an intel. the multi threaded performance of the A64 i have right now is terrible. i suspect that in a year or two (till i next upgrade) gaming wil take a back seat for me, and things like CAD and doing iteration programs on things like fluid flow etc will be more important to me, and as it stands dual core pentiums really help in CAD, so i can see me benefitting from it in a year or two

having said that if AMD's dual core is just as good and they again can bring it at a lower price point then i would consider AMD, (poor student ) but i cant see AMD winning Intel this time for some reason.

in either situation....it means upgrading motherboard, graphics, ram etc since i only have a AGP socket 754 ASUS K8N-E Deluxe.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Zucarita9000


i can tell you right now my next build is going to be an intel. the multi threaded performance of the A64 i have right now is terrible. i suspect that in a year or two (till i next upgrade) gaming wil take a back seat for me, and things like CAD and doing iteration programs on things like fluid flow etc will be more important to me, and as it stands dual core pentiums really help in CAD, so i can see me benefitting from it in a year or two

having said that if AMD's dual core is just as good and they again can bring it at a lower price point then i would consider AMD, (poor student ) but i cant see AMD winning Intel this time for some reason.

in either situation....it means upgrading motherboard, graphics, ram etc since i only have a AGP socket 754 ASUS K8N-E Deluxe.

The problem with an Intel Soulution is when they are Starved for bandwith in a single processor configuration and when used in a DUAL SMP Configuration they have to share
memory bandwith. This is not the case with AMD Opterons since each processor has it's own hypertransport link and memory controller.

Your current system is a socket 754 and is not an apples to apples compairson. It's like saying I have a celeron and I will never buy a P4; Because the performance of my Celeron is so bad I am going to buy an AMD FX-59

IF you are a poor student like you say you are, then AMD is the better choice, A $750 Athlon FX-55 offers the same or better performance than a $1,000 Intel Extreme Edition P4.