Read Post # 519 -- NFL Divisional Playoffs thread

[RampantAndroid]

Seahawks should have lost to the Vikings, but other than that game they have been on a tear since Marshawn went out. I think they ride that momentum into Carolina (who they had a chance to beat earlier in the season) and pull out the W. Wilson is making some incredible plays (much like Cam) and I think propels them forward.

Why should they have lost? I mean - yes, if you just look at the final play, they should have. If you look back 5 or so plays though, you see what looked like a *really* questionable PI call on Chancellor. He was on the field, receiver runs at him, Chancellor puts hands up and gets called for PI. Chancellor didn't move in front of the player or initiate contact - he was just there. How that's a PI call I don't really know...and that PI call is the main reason the Vikings were in field goal range - the Seahawks certainly stopped the Vikings from managing to get in for the TD.

As for where the Hawks are now - I think it's less about Lynch being out and more about them replacing their center mid season. I think Rawl's success was on the heels of the O-line finally figuring their stuff out...same with Wilson getting better - he has more time before needing to scramble. They've also since dumped Carey Williams and replaced him with Shead (who is doing way better) and Jeremy Lane is back (he started his season off with a pick. It could have been a pick 6....except he stumbled and went down. Apparently he was still not fully ready to play.)

Darrel Bevel will still probably find a way to make some awful offensive play calls I'm sure...but I think the Seahawks have a really good chance. It'll come down to whether the O-Line holds at all, and whether Avril is able to rush Newton.

 

[JEDI]

Im assuming a team cant add/drop uninjured players during the playoffs?

ie: Pick up star players who's contract w/their current team ended w/the regular season?

or trade for star players?
ie: JJ Watts

 

[RPD]

Im assuming a team cant add/drop uninjured players during the playoffs?

ie: Pick up star players who's contract w/their current team ended w/the regular season?

or trade for star players?
ie: JJ Watts

Do you even watch sports?

 

[glenn1]

Im assuming a team cant add/drop uninjured players during the playoffs?

ie: Pick up star players who's contract w/their current team ended w/the regular season?

or trade for star players?
ie: JJ Watts

League year isn't over yet, so JJ Watts is still under contract. IIRC post-season teams can only pick up free agents as injury replacements to their current roster, but whoever they picked up would almost certainly be less skilled than whoever he replaced.

 

[JEDI]

Do you even watch sports?

fairweather fan

I only watch when my hometeam starts winning.
and since I'm in dc, it's been a drought this century.


and come on, my comment about Mighty Ducks in Superbowl was funny.
admit it.

(hm.. nevermind.. wrong person)

 

[JEDI]

League year isn't over yet, so JJ Watts is still under contract. IIRC post-season teams can only pick up free agents as injury replacements to their current roster, but whoever they picked up would almost certainly be less skilled than whoever he replaced.

thx! :thumbsup:

 

[emperus]

Glady:
Gronk (best TE in the NFL his entire career since 2010), Welker (top 3 slot receiver for most of his career + 5 years over 100 receptions with Brady), Brown (3 years over 80 catches and huge SB 36), and Branch (underrated and clutch, monster 10 catch game in SB 38 and 11 catches in SB 39). There's 4 + Edelman, 6 if you include Moss. So he's had 6 exceptional talents and we're not even getting into RBs.

Look at what Branch had to say about Edelman:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super...ranch-on-Edelman-He-s-the-leader-of-that-unit

He's basically this era's Deion Branch and more, except he's better than most of that list (as is Gronk) so the Pats are more of a passing offense than years past. Let's not pretend that Brady had no weapons, he's been well stocked for most of his career.

Also read this if you think Edelman and Gronk aren't difference makers:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england...n-and-rob-gronkowski-makes-all-the-difference

Further proof that irreplaceable receivers make the QB more than the QB makes the receivers. You can take your framed Brady jersey off the wall now because I can name 15QBs who can hit an open Edelman or Gronk with a perfect pass in stride.

ahahahahah

Dude, step away from the stats. Your list consists of Branch, Brown, Welker and Edelman. I respect those players, but Megatrons or Rice's they were not. Ahahahahah Outside of Gronk and Moss, where on that list is any Hall of Fame Player? Dude, you smoking something. Watch the games and not the stats.

Btw. This is the list of BRadys receivers up to 2103 and touchdown passes they have caught. Look closely. You see any HOF type players?

But perhaps what surprised me most about Yates's list was that, out of the 50 players who have caught a Brady touchdown, only 12 ever caught more than 10. Brady has thrown so many touchdowns in his career, I was surprised to learn that so few guys had double-digit scoring receptions. Here is that list:

Deion Branch (24)
Troy Brown (15)
Kevin Faulk (10)
Christian Fauria (13)
David Givens (12)
Daniel Graham (17)
Rob Gronkowski (39)
Aaron Hernandez (18)
Randy Moss (39)
David Patten (16)
Ben Watson (17)
Wes Welker (34)
Sam Aiken (2)
Danny Amendola (1)
Tom Ashworth (1)
Chris Baker (2)
Kyle Brady (2)
Reche Caldwell (4)
Larry Centers (1)
Cam Cleeland (1)
Alge Crumpler (2)
Andre' Davis (1)
Corey Dillon (2)
Aaron Dobson (4)
Tim Dwight (2)
Marc Edwards (2)
Heath Evans (1)
Doug Gabriel (3)
Terry Glenn (1)
Donald Hayes (2)
Chad Jackson (3)
Bethel Johnson (4)
Chad Johnson (1)
Charles Johnson (1)
Brandon Lloyd (4)
Laurence Maroney (1)
Matthew Mulligan (1)
Patrick Pass (1)
Antowain Smith (3)
Donte Stallworth (4)
Brandon Tate (2)
David Thomas (1)
Kenbrell Thompkins (4)
Shane Vereen (1)
Dedric Ward (1)
Jermaine Wiggins (3)
Danny Woodhead (4)

This list goes a very long way in showing both the insane amount of turnover at the receiver position that the Patriots have experienced, but also one of the things that makes Tommy B so good at what he does. For most of his career, he has found a way to hit whoever is open, whether that be one of the greatest receivers ever to play the game or a linebacker-turned-lineman-turned-tight end (Mike Vrabel hauled in eight Tom Brady touchdowns). And with one notable exception, none of the guys who have been on the receiving end of 10+ TD passes ever went on to duplicate the kind of success they enjoyed in New England.

Pay attention to that last line.

 

[emperus]

I don't think he's saying that. Rather it doesn't matter how good you are as a QB, your peak performance is capped by the remainder of your supporting team.

A great QB can make a mediocre WR look good (Drew Brees to Marques Colston)
A great WR can make a mediocre QB look good (Hoyer to Josh Gordon or DeAndre Hopkins)
A good QB and good WR can make both look great (Wilson to Baldwin)
An elite QB and an elite WR can be epic (a.k.a. Montana to Rice, or arguably Brady to Moss)

No, he is saying that Edelman makes Brady. That if any QB had Edelman they would have the year Brady did. OMG. Ahahahhahaha. That is comedy gold.

Here is his quote.

Brady wasn't the best QB this year, Palmer was by a large margin and there are a handful of other QBs who can make the same throws Brady makes. Give him Edelman for the entire year, and we may be having a different discussion about best QB/MVP. Just like we found out reigning MVP Rodgers isn't as good when a man isn't almost always open. I firmly believe the receivers are the ones who make the QBs good more than the QB makes the receiver good.

 

[dainthomas]

Why should they have lost? I mean - yes, if you just look at the final play, they should have. If you look back 5 or so plays though, you see what looked like a *really* questionable PI call on Chancellor. He was on the field, receiver runs at him, Chancellor puts hands up and gets called for PI. Chancellor didn't move in front of the player or initiate contact - he was just there. How that's a PI call I don't really know...and that PI call is the main reason the Vikings were in field goal range - the Seahawks certainly stopped the Vikings from managing to get in for the TD.

As for where the Hawks are now - I think it's less about Lynch being out and more about them replacing their center mid season. I think Rawl's success was on the heels of the O-line finally figuring their stuff out...same with Wilson getting better - he has more time before needing to scramble. They've also since dumped Carey Williams and replaced him with Shead (who is doing way better) and Jeremy Lane is back (he started his season off with a pick. It could have been a pick 6....except he stumbled and went down. Apparently he was still not fully ready to play.)

Darrel Bevel will still probably find a way to make some awful offensive play calls I'm sure...but I think the Seahawks have a really good chance. It'll come down to whether the O-Line holds at all, and whether Avril is able to rush Newton.

Lane's playing about as good as Sherman at the moment.

As long as Bevel resists the urge to get cute with the playcalling, I like their chances.

 

[smackababy]

ahahahahah

Dude, step away from the stats. Your list consists of Branch, Brown, Welker and Edelman. I respect those players, but Megatrons or Rice's they were not. Ahahahahah Outside of Gronk and Moss, where on that list is any Hall of Fame Player? Dude, you smoking something. Watch the games and not the stats.

Btw. This is the list of BRadys receivers up to 2103 and touchdown passes they have caught. Look closely. You see any HOF type players?



Pay attention to that last line.

His "stats" completely ignore every other player (skill position or not) that may or may not be making an impact.

Brady is part of a system, but he works so well in it. There is more to being a great QB than arm strength and accuracy. Look at Cam's big turnaround. He is the same physically. His mentals have changed.

 

[SSSnail]

His "stats" completely ignore every other player (skill position or not) that may or may not be making an impact.

Brady is part of a system, but he works so well in it. There is more to being a great QB than arm strength and accuracy. Look at Cam's big turnaround. He is the same physically. His mentals have changed.

One of the reasons why I will never debate with people using stats, because there are so many intangibles and context that go into stats. While stats can be used as a measurement, they never tell the whole story.

 

[emperus]

One of the reasons why I will never debate with people using stats, because there are so many intangibles and context that go into stats. While stats can be used as a measurement, they never tell the whole story.

I don't mind stats, but they have to be understood through context.

 

[glenn1]

No, he is saying that Edelman makes Brady. That if any QB had Edelman they would have the year Brady did. OMG. Ahahahhahaha. That is comedy gold.

Here is his quote.

Unsure what you are even arguing here as Brady's performance did drop when he lost Edelman. I read it as Brady was still a great QB but Carson Palmer had more weapons to use which helped him be the best QB this year. It's not a slight on Brady or his skills.

Now whether if Brady could have outperformed Carson Palmer given the same ARI wide receiver corps I will leave for others to debate.

 

[SP33Demon]

ahahahahah

Dude, step away from the stats. Your list consists of Branch, Brown, Welker and Edelman. I respect those players, but Megatrons or Rice's they were not. Ahahahahah Outside of Gronk and Moss, where on that list is any Hall of Fame Player? Dude, you smoking something. Watch the games and not the stats.

Btw. This is the list of BRadys receivers up to 2103 and touchdown passes they have caught. Look closely. You see any HOF type players?



Pay attention to that last line.

Except they don't need to be HOFers. They just need to be able to get open at will, the HOF celebrates durability and these guys aren't going to last long to compile stats for 10 years. For those claiming it's the system, that is a small part of it but you don't need an OLine when your possession receiver is open in man coverage in less than 2 seconds. No need to worry about facing a dominant pass rush when the ball is coming out that fast.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hq/0ap3000000621399/Moss-Edelman-is-very-key-to-this-Patriots-offense
Randy Moss: "With Edelman, the Patriots are clicking on 3rd down at a 50% rate... without him, 34%." Ouch.

You saw the numbers with and without Gronk/Julian: Brady is an above average QB but not elite qb without them this year. He's taking 1/4 second longer to release the ball which is a long time in the pocket and as a result facing 12% more pressure. Your jibber jabber doesn't change the numbers, they are facts that Julian and Gronk make Brady better than he makes them. There's a reason why all NE losses came against strong pass rushes.

Both of those receivers could go to another team and still find immediate success running short routes due to their speed/coordination; Brady is going to take awhile to learn a new system and succeed. It's obvious where the value lies. Good lord, give the Eagles Gronk and Edelman and see how many yards Sam throws for when he can actually sustain drives vs drops bouncing off their chest. Put Brady on the Eagles and his stats would suck on the level of having Brandon LaFell catching the ball at every position. You have no idea how good the Pats have it.

Even skimming that silly list, there is definitely a player who just had a career year in 2015 and was with NE for 6 years and drafted by them: Ben Watson. Set career highs in yards, targets, and receptions with Drew Brees. Further showing that Brady doesn't make the player. And yes, who could forget Aaron Hernandez, he was an elite talent during his brief stint. Woodhead is still lighting it up, in fact Woodhead just had his best year as a receiving back - twice as many receptions as his best year at NE and his 2013 year was also better than any at NE. Moss' Minnesota years were better than NE - compare his best 2 or even 3 years and it's Minnesota in everything - he didn't need Brady. Donte Stallworth got worse when he went to the Pats. Amendola was better with the Rams. So players don't only have their best years at NE, stop lying by cherry picking "at least 10 TDs". There are many good players who had better success previously or after NE.

 

[SP33Demon]

Unsure what you are even arguing here as Brady's performance did drop when he lost Edelman. I read it as Brady was still a great QB but Carson Palmer had more weapons to use which helped him be the best QB this year. It's not a slight on Brady or his skills.

Now whether if Brady could have outperformed Carson Palmer given the same ARI wide receiver corps I will leave for others to debate.

Exactly, Brady is still a great QB because he rarely turns the ball over and his under pressure stats are great (14 TDs). However, there are simply other players who are less replaceable on the Patriots. For example, could you immediately bring Palmer or Brees into that offense on short timed passes to an open Edelman or Gronk? Of course. I bet even Andy Dalton could do it.

But as you bring up, could Brady thrive in the Cardinals offense like Palmer? Seriously doubt it, because that would require a rarer skillset - consistently passing deep with accuracy which is the hardest thing in the NFL. Brady rarely completes BTT's (Big time throws) deep. On short timing patterns, of course Brady is good - his aDOT (average depth of target) was only 8.3yds, or 21st in the NFL. Even Manziel, Cassel, and Keenum were completing deeper. The only one who could probably run Palmer's (11.3) deep threat offense would be Ben (10.5), and as a longshot Cam (10.9) to a lesser degree.

Would Edelman and Gronk thrive in the Cards offense? Of course, and they'd even succeed in SF's short passing game if Gabbert can put the ball where it needs to be on a short pass - any QB who could hit them when they're open by a step is a place where they would succeed. That's why they are the best in the league, can sustain drives, and open up any offense they're in. And why they're less replaceable than Brady in that offense. If Edelman was replaceable, then why is their 3rd down conversion rate plummeting from 50% to 34? Same QB. hmmm.

 

[emperus]

Except they don't need to be HOFers. They just need to be able to get open at will, the HOF celebrates durability and these guys aren't going to last long to compile stats for 10 years. For those claiming it's the system, that is a small part of it but you don't need an OLine when your possession receiver is open in man coverage in less than 2 seconds. No need to worry about facing a dominant pass rush when the ball is coming out that fast.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hq/0ap3000000621399/Moss-Edelman-is-very-key-to-this-Patriots-offense
Randy Moss: "With Edelman, the Patriots are clicking on 3rd down at a 50% rate... without him, 34%." Ouch.

You saw the numbers with and without Gronk/Julian: Brady is an above average QB but not elite qb without them this year. He's taking 1/4 second longer to release the ball which is a long time in the pocket and as a result facing 12% more pressure. Your jibber jabber doesn't change the numbers, they are facts that Julian and Gronk make Brady better than he makes them. There's a reason why all NE losses came against strong pass rushes.

Both of those receivers could go to another team and still find immediate success running short routes due to their speed/coordination; Brady is going to take awhile to learn a new system and succeed. It's obvious where the value lies. Good lord, give the Eagles Gronk and Edelman and see how many yards Sam throws for when he can actually sustain drives vs drops bouncing off their chest. Put Brady on the Eagles and his stats would suck on the level of having Brandon LaFell catching the ball at every position. You have no idea how good the Pats have it.

Even skimming that silly list, there is definitely a player who just had a career year in 2015 and was with NE for 6 years and drafted by them: Ben Watson. Set career highs in yards, targets, and receptions with Drew Brees. Further showing that Brady doesn't make the player. And yes, who could forget Aaron Hernandez, he was an elite talent during his brief stint. Woodhead is still lighting it up, in fact Woodhead just had his best year as a receiving back - twice as many receptions as his best year at NE and his 2013 year was also better than any at NE. Moss' Minnesota years were better than NE - compare his best 2 or even 3 years and it's Minnesota in everything - he didn't need Brady. Donte Stallworth got worse when he went to the Pats. Amendola was better with the Rams. So players don't only have their best years at NE, stop lying by cherry picking "at least 10 TDs". There are many good players who had better success previously or after NE.

I can't argue this with you anymore. You're molding the stats to fit a theory you already have without accounting for other more plausible options. It is hard for anyone, even Brady to put up elite numbers when his 1st 2nd and 3rd passing options are not playing, mid season. There is a reason why you have training camps. You have to be the first person to argue that Brady is elite because his receivers make him so. People may have an argument with it being the system or Belichick, but you're jumping the shark.

Brady, has won 4 Superbowls, been to 6, and has won 2 MVP awards. One in 2007 long before Edelman got there. And all this in the course of more than a decade. But your take is that it is Edelman who is all of a sudden making Brady an elite QB? Do you hear yourself?

 

[emperus]

Unsure what you are even arguing here as Brady's performance did drop when he lost Edelman. I read it as Brady was still a great QB but Carson Palmer had more weapons to use which helped him be the best QB this year. It's not a slight on Brady or his skills.

Now whether if Brady could have outperformed Carson Palmer given the same ARI wide receiver corps I will leave for others to debate.

Yes, did you expect Brady's stats to increase or stay the same when he is throwing to players who they just picked up off the street? Think about what you are saying. Please go look up the Patriots Injury Report.

Let's look at it
1st string 3rd down back Lewis probably primary back - IR
1st string WR Edelman - (out)
2nd string WR Amendola - Knee injury
3rd String WR Dobson - IR
4th String WR Lafell - IR/ designated to return (missed training camp came back mid season)
5th String WR Tims - IR

Tell me who is he throwing to. My gosh. And I haven't even said anything about his Offensive Line.

And btw, the argument you are making isn't the same argument SP33Demon is making.

 

[glenn1]

Exactly, Brady is still a great QB because he rarely turns the ball over and his under pressure stats are great (14 TDs). However, there are simply other players who are less replaceable on the Patriots. For example, could you immediately bring Palmer or Brees into that offense on short timed passes to an open Edelman or Gronk? Of course. I bet even Andy Dalton could do it.

But as you bring up, could Brady thrive in the Cardinals offense like Palmer? Seriously doubt it, because that would require a rarer skillset - consistently passing deep with accuracy which is the hardest thing in the NFL. Brady rarely completes BTT's (Big time throws) deep. On short timing patterns, of course Brady is good - his aDOT (average depth of target) was only 8.3yds, or 21st in the NFL. Even Manziel, Cassel, and Keenum were completing deeper. The only one who could probably run Palmer's (11.3) deep threat offense would be Ben (10.5), and as a longshot Cam (10.9) to a lesser degree.

Would Edelman and Gronk thrive in the Cards offense? Of course, and they'd even succeed in SF's short passing game if Gabbert can put the ball where it needs to be on a short pass - any QB who could hit them when they're open by a step is a place where they would succeed. That's why they are the best in the league, can sustain drives, and open up any offense they're in. And why they're less replaceable than Brady in that offense. If Edelman was replaceable, then why is their 3rd down conversion rate plummeting from 50% to 34? Same QB. hmmm.

Let me ensure I'm not misquoting you or misunderstanding your position, but are you seriously saying Palmer is a better skilled QB than Brady? Not talking about this single year, but overall as a QB given equal receivers and scheme?

 

[emperus]

Exactly, Brady is still a great QB because he rarely turns the ball over and his under pressure stats are great (14 TDs). However, there are simply other players who are less replaceable on the Patriots. For example, could you immediately bring Palmer or Brees into that offense on short timed passes to an open Edelman or Gronk? Of course. I bet even Andy Dalton could do it.

But as you bring up, could Brady thrive in the Cardinals offense like Palmer? Seriously doubt it, because that would require a rarer skillset - consistently passing deep with accuracy which is the hardest thing in the NFL. Brady rarely completes BTT's (Big time throws) deep. On short timing patterns, of course Brady is good - his aDOT (average depth of target) was only 8.3yds, or 21st in the NFL. Even Manziel, Cassel, and Keenum were completing deeper. The only one who could probably run Palmer's (11.3) deep threat offense would be Ben (10.5), and as a longshot Cam (10.9) to a lesser degree.

Would Edelman and Gronk thrive in the Cards offense? Of course, and they'd even succeed in SF's short passing game if Gabbert can put the ball where it needs to be on a short pass - any QB who could hit them when they're open by a step is a place where they would succeed. That's why they are the best in the league, can sustain drives, and open up any offense they're in. And why they're less replaceable than Brady in that offense. If Edelman was replaceable, then why is their 3rd down conversion rate plummeting from 50% to 34? Same QB. hmmm.

I think your missing a few things. 1.) Understanding the coverage, so knowing that receiver will be open and 2.) delivering a pin point pass.

Read this story and it'll give you a glimpse of why Brady is successful.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/look-out-tom-brady-wants-to-play-catch-1452612426
Here is a snippet.

But for all the stories we’ve heard down the years about his preparation and attention to detail, among the least-known is how obsessive he is about the simple game of catch.

Nearly everyone who has played catch with Brady has a story. Last summer, Brady called Tony Gonzalez, a 14-time Pro Bowl tight end, out of nowhere “to have a catch.”

Gonzalez, like most people, assumed it would be a straightforward workout. When he arrived on a college campus in California, Brady was there with “a slew of people” including his throwing coach, former major league pitcher Tom House, nutritionists and “all of the things that make the Brady machine,” said Gonzalez, who is now an analyst with CBS Sports. House declined to comment.

Brady proceeded to deliver his signature pinpoint passes to Gonzalez. But in between throws, Brady grew more and more frustrated if his pass missed its target by even an inch.

After one pass hit Gonzalez squarely in the chest, Brady chided himself for not getting the ball a little further in front of his target. Gonzalez was confused—the pass was perfect. But Brady explained that if the ball had been a foot and a half in front of the receiver’s body, it would mean an extra three yards gained after the catch. (To be clear, this was in the dead of summer, with no defenders around and months before any meaningful games.)

“I joked ‘Tom, if you’d seen some of the quarterbacks I played with, you’d know I’m just glad you got it to me,’” Gonzalez said. “I was blown away.”

 

[herrjimbo]

What's up with a few members that feel they have to write a book? Seriously, exchange phone numbers. These long ass posts are obnoxious.




Thank you

 

[SP33Demon]

Let me ensure I'm not misquoting you or misunderstanding your position, but are you seriously saying Palmer is a better skilled QB than Brady? Not talking about this single year, but overall as a QB given equal receivers and scheme?

Just this year for Palmer, but overall in a deep passing scheme there are a few better QBs who have been doing it longer and better such as Big Ben, Romo, and Manning pre-2015. Brady simply does not possess deep ball accuracy on the level of Big Ben or 2015 Palmer this year nor in the past, this is a pretty well acknowledged fact and interesting that you didn't know that.
http://nesn.com/2014/10/scout-tom-brady-has-worst-deep-ball-in-nfl-best-short-yardage-qb/

Brady completed 20 of 66 deep passes last season, and his 39.4 accuracy percentage (PFF’s rating that accounts for drops) ranked 25th in the league. Brady’s deep-passing accuracy has dropped nearly every year since 2007, when he completed 31 of 73 passes (50.7 accuracy percentage) that traveled over 20 yards. 2014: 1 of 16 (6.3 percent) 2013: 20 of 66 (39.4 percent) 2012: 20 of 84 (40.5 percent) 2011: 20 of 60 (41.7 percent) 2010: 17 of 45 (44.4 percent) 2009: 19 of 68 (32.4 percent) 2007: 31 of 73 (50.7 percent)

Brady will admit it too, it's not like it's a huge secret.

“It would be like hitting a wedge or a driver. It’s the same swing, one is just — there’s a little nuance to it that’s a little different. I haven’t hit the driver as well as I’ve probably hit the wedges, but if I can hit the driver a little better, it will make things a little easier on the team.”

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/11/tom-brady-surprised-deep-ball-accuracy-has-improved-for-patriots-in-2015/

 

[SP33Demon]

I think your missing a few things. 1.) Understanding the coverage, so knowing that receiver will be open and 2.) delivering a pin point pass.

Read this story and it'll give you a glimpse of why Brady is successful.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/look-out-tom-brady-wants-to-play-catch-1452612426
Here is a snippet.

Understanding the coverage does take skill of course, but most good qbs will recognize the obvious ones, I think you're overvaluing this. A receiver can only run so far in < 2 seconds. Delivering the pin point pass does take skill as well, but how hard is it to deliver a pin point pass of 8 yards (his aDOT) or less? Especially if you've been practicing it for years? Like I said earlier, even average QBs like Manziel/Keenum are throwing at that level. Again, I think you're overvaluing a pinpoint short pass. Now a pinpoint pass of 20+ yards, that's exponentially tougher.

Most NFL QBs have obsessive work ethic which is why they're at that level, you are idolizing someone because he's your favorite player and to the average person that is impressive. Trust me, it's close to the norm for NFL QBs and there are other things you have no clue what QBs have to do like the nutrition/supplementation, strength programming, equipment choices, advanced rest and recovery etc. As a competitive athlete/coach myself, it's brutal. I have to study hundreds of athletes, form and technique where everyone has unique leverages, nutrition, calculate angles and body %'s, read around 50-75 scientific studies a month, stay up on technology like stim frequencies for recovery, maximize sleep, worry about specific equipment on certain lifts (oly shoes? slippers? wraps? sleeves? knee wraps? belt, buckled or levered? single or double ply suit? what brands are good for all of these and why?), breathing techniques and when to use them, age and caloric BMR for each specific person, which diets do what and when to use them, so on and so forth. Success is willing to obsess over the smallest variables and use successful trial and error until you get to a goal. This is what winners do, specialize.

In the end, you are missing the point - that Brady's receivers are less replaceable than him and they make him better than he makes them. Of course he is still a great QB, but these irreplaceable parts have a lot to do with why he is great and not just very good. Edelman is just one example as is Gronk. Nobody is doing what they do year in and year out. If they were, the metrics would show that and they don't.

 

[SP33Demon]

What's up with a few members that feel they have to write a book? Seriously, exchange phone numbers. These long ass posts are obnoxious.




Thank you

 

[SP33Demon]

Soo apparently Chandler Jones was smoking synthetic weed which is legal and he had a bad reaction to it:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...andler-jones-had-bad-reaction-legal-substance

They partying hard in that off week. At least he won't miss the game, KC would certainly welcome no Jones to stuff their rushing attack and go after Alex Smith.

 

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