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SSSnail

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Down to the best 8 of the NFL this season, who will escape this week's bouts victorious?

Here's the schedule:
SATURDAY, JANUARY 16TH
4:35 PM ET on CBS
CHIEFS @ PATRIOTS

8:15 PM ET on NBC
PACKERS @ CARDINALS

SUNDAY, JANUARY 17TH
1:05 PM ET on Fox
SEAHAWKS @ PANTHERS

4:40 PM ET on CBS
STEELERS @ BRONCOS


Those are my picks, and I'm predicting a Super Bowl 1 rematch between the Chiefs and Packers.

Gentlemen, place your bets.
 
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Patriots, Cardinals, Seahawks, Steelers.

Sunday games are a toss up to me because the Steelers are so banged up and we don't quite know what Ben's status is. Will he be fully ready or hindered. Similar concern for PM for the Broncos.

Seahawks should have lost to the Vikings, but other than that game they have been on a tear since Marshawn went out. I think they ride that momentum into Carolina (who they had a chance to beat earlier in the season) and pull out the W. Wilson is making some incredible plays (much like Cam) and I think propels them forward.
 

glenn1

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Down to the best 8 of the NFL this season, who will escape this week's bouts victorious?

Here's the schedule:
SATURDAY, JANUARY 16TH
4:35 PM ET on CBS
CHIEFS @ PATRIOTS

8:15 PM ET on NBC
PACKERS @ CARDINALS

SUNDAY, JANUARY 17TH
1:05 PM ET on Fox
SEAHAWKS @ PANTHERS

4:40 PM ET on CBS
STEELERS @ BRONCOS


Those are my picks, and I'm predicting a Super Bowl 1 rematch between the Chiefs and Packers.

Gentlemen, place your bets.


CHIEFS @ PATRIOTS
PACKERS @ CARDINALS
SEAHAWKS @ PANTHERS
STEELERS @ BRONCOS

Steelers pick based on presumption that either Big Ben or Antonio Brown might not suit up. Giving slight edge to the Panthers now under assumption that JStew plays but BeastMode does not. Cardinals will romp over the Pack. Brady is still hurt with ankle sprain and ribs and has a terrible game, Edelman and Amendola will be non-factors.
 

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Same picks as the last three guys.

Also, I think it's a mistake to have Peyton Manning as the starter. Osweiler should start, and PM should be "the closer", like in baseball.
 

smackababy

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So many discounting the cardinals. =( They are the bookies favorites right now.

I'm going with Pats, Cards, Seahawks, and Broncos. And the Seahawks pick is hoping Lynch returns. There were reports he held himself out this week. Maybe he will feel ready next!
 

SP33Demon

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Down to the best 8 of the NFL this season, who will escape this week's bouts victorious?

Here's the schedule:
SATURDAY, JANUARY 16TH
4:35 PM ET on CBS
CHIEFS @ PATRIOTS

8:15 PM ET on NBC
PACKERS @ CARDINALS

SUNDAY, JANUARY 17TH
1:05 PM ET on Fox
SEAHAWKS @ PANTHERS

4:40 PM ET on CBS
STEELERS @ BRONCOS


Those are my picks, and I'm predicting a Super Bowl 1 rematch between the Chiefs and Packers.

Gentlemen, place your bets.

1) Pats over KC. I don't see KC winning without Maclin. Also who's going to be able to cover Edelman and Gronk? If you take one away, the other burns you. Peters on Edelman is a huge mismatch. Parker on Amendola is also a problem for KC. Only Smith on Lafell works out in their favor. Matchups for KC, only Avant checks out against Leonard at +6 - yikes. Then there's the designed screens to White that the Pats run so well. Brady's quick passes should nullify Hali and Houston's pass rush for the most part, especially since Houston is HUGE mismatch against Cannon on the right. Brady will have to get the ball out fast. The X-Factor to watch on the other side of the ball is Kelce vs a top 3 secondary, and KC exceptional RBs vs NE's good LBs (like Collins). Belichick is also a better coach than Reid, there's no other way to put it and he will probably focus on taking away the run and making Kelce beat them. Special teams-wise, Gostkowski kicks the shit out of Santos who is prone to inconsistency. On the flip side, NE has had mental lapses on special teams but lucky for them those guys have all been released by Bill.

2) Arizona over the Packers. Sure, GB could beat a Washington team that couldn't stop the run and had a shit secondary. AZ, while is stronger than Washington vs the run, isn't great but they don't have to be. Also keep an eye on GB's Sam Shields, he could be a difference-maker for the secondary if back. GB olineman Bahktieri *should* be back to provide more passpro for ARod, but it doesn't matter when receivers are blanketed and AZ is about to sack you. Not to mention ARod didn't have a great game vs Washington either. GB's run D wasn't great either, and AZ will exploit that. I expect AZ to lock down Rodgers' receivers and Palmer/David Johnson to dominate on offense against a D that will struggle to stop them.

3) Seattle over Carolina. This is the toughest game to predict because they always play each other so close. While Seattle's oline sucks, Russ can partially negate that with his scramble drill and his WRs have a penchant for getting open. They should also have BeastMode back, so that now gives them a 2D offense again. While Carolina's D is very good, I think Russ and/or Lynch somehow find a way. On the other side of the ball, I think Carolina is going to struggle running the ball just like MN did which will make them 1D. Seattle has the personnel to slow Olsen (Chancellor shut him down last meeting) and Ginn (esp Earl Thomas at safety to help deep). Not to mention Avril completely owns Remmer who can't block him. Newton scrambling will be their xfactor, and whether Bennett can sniff these out while he's roaming. Shead on Cotchery could be a focal point of attack, and on the other side whoever Norman isn't covering (Baldwin or Lockett) will be the focal point (since Finnegan will be on them) along with Kearse (covered by McClain who we don't have data on). Losing Tillman really hurts for Carolina's secondary. This will probably be a lower scoring game due to the defenses unless Seattle blows it open in the air against a non-Norman defender.

4) Denver over Pitt. Denver simply has more talent on paper than Pitt on defense and even offense. D-Will is 50/50 for the game, and Todman is a huge dropoff in talent. Even if Ben plays, Denver will be swarming him with Demarcus Ware back + Von Miller + Wolfe and trying to reinjure that shoulder. The Broncos used the bye week off to get healthier (Ware, Ward, Stewart, Osweiler, Sanders) while Pitt went in the opposite direction. Not to mention, this will be a revenge game from their loss at Pitt - Harris Jr will want payback for getting toasted repeatedly by Brown if Brown even plays. Pitt can attack Trevathan and Talib in the middle by dinking and dunking like last game but the problem is that Denver doesn't allow yards after the catch because of their elite secondary. Denver D also stiffens at home and it would be a huge feat for Ben to pull off the win against a top 3 well rested defense. Manning and Antonio Brown are my xfactors in that Manning has to simply manage the game and not throw picks. E.Sanders should be the focal point since it's a huge mismatch of Antwon Blake covering him. Demaryious has a very slight advantage (+3) over Gay but it's so close it may as well be even. On the flipside, A. Brown will need to have something similar to a repeat performance against an even stronger and healthier Broncos D than he faced earlier in the year. I just think that Denver in a healthy state will be too much for Pitt in an injured state on the road.
 
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SSSnail

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1) Pats over KC. I don't see KC winning without Maclin. Also who's going to be able to cover Edelman and Gronk? If you take one away, the other burns you. Peters on Edelman is a huge mismatch. Parker on Amendola is also a problem for KC. Only Smith on Lafell works out in their favor. Matchups for KC, only Avant checks out against Leonard at +6 - yikes. Then there's the designed screens to White that the Pats run so well. Brady's quick passes should nullify Hali and Houston's pass rush for the most part, especially since Houston is HUGE mismatch against Cannon on the right. Brady will have to get the ball out fast. The X-Factor to watch on the other side of the ball is Kelce vs a top 3 secondary, and KC exceptional RBs vs NE's good LBs (like Collins). Belichick is also a better coach than Reid, there's no other way to put it and he will probably focus on taking away the run and making Kelce beat them. Special teams-wise, Gostkowski kicks the shit out of Santos who is prone to inconsistency. On the flip side, NE has had mental lapses on special teams but lucky for them those guys have all been released by Bill.
You raised some good points, and I know it's been 25 games and a billion years ago that the two teams played against each others, but I don't think the Chiefs have as much problems covering NE's receivers as you'd think. Their defense this year is actually much better than last year's by new addition, and some additions by subtractions. Not only that, NE's O-line is in disarray, and KC can get pressure with 4 (actually, make that 3 https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CYU8PuDUAAAlMXU.mp4). Gronk will be called upon to block a lot. And the Chiefs D isn't stranger to dink-and-dunk offense .
The problem with focusing on any member of KC offense is that they spread the ball out, someone will make play, that's why they've been successful. KC's run game is arguably much better than NE's run game at this point, so we'll see a lot of ground and pound.

I look forward to a great game. I think this will be the best game of the weekend.
2) Arizona over the Packers. Sure, GB could beat a Washington team that couldn't stop the run and had a shit secondary. AZ, while is stronger than Washington vs the run, isn't great but they don't have to be. Also keep an eye on GB's Sam Shields, he could be a difference-maker for the secondary if back. GB olineman Bahktieri *should* be back to provide more passpro for ARod, but it doesn't matter when receivers are blanketed and AZ is about to sack you. Not to mention ARod didn't have a great game vs Washington either. GB's run D wasn't great either, and AZ will exploit that. I expect AZ to lock down Rodgers' receivers and Palmer/David Johnson to dominate on offense against a D that will struggle to stop them.
I think Aaaaaron discount-double-check Rogers got his playoffs hat on, and will out scheme the AZ defense. This is a tougher game to call, but because I like the idea of GB and KC rematch on the 50th anniversary of the Super Bowl, so I give it to GB. And something about momentum...

3) Seattle over Carolina. This is the toughest game to predict because they always play each other so close. While Seattle's oline sucks, Russ can partially negate that with his scramble drill and his WRs have a penchant for getting open. They should also have BeastMode back, so that now gives them a 2D offense again. While Carolina's D is very good, I think Russ and/or Lynch somehow find a way. On the other side of the ball, I think Carolina is going to struggle running the ball just like MN did which will make them 1D. Seattle has the personnel to slow Olsen (Chancellor shut him down last meeting) and Ginn (esp Earl Thomas at safety to help deep). Not to mention Avril completely owns Remmer who can't block him. Newton scrambling will be their xfactor, and whether Bennett can sniff these out while he's roaming. Shead on Cotchery could be a focal point of attack, and on the other side whoever Norman isn't covering (Baldwin or Lockett) will be the focal point (since Finnegan will be on them) along with Kearse (covered by McClain who we don't have data on). Losing Tillman really hurts for Carolina's secondary. This will probably be a lower scoring game due to the defenses unless Seattle blows it open in the air against a non-Norman defender.
I don't think Carolina D will have problems with a scrambling QB, they're used to it, and I think Cam is a tad better than Wilson at scrambling. A lot of Carolina's TD came from Cam rushing on designed play, while Wilson's were broken plays. It's the uncertainty of the broken play that you have to watch out for, but I think Carolina's D has enough discipline to stick to their coverage and not blow it a la Vikes.

4) Denver over Pitt. Denver simply has more talent on paper than Pitt on defense and even offense. D-Will is 50/50 for the game, and Todman is a huge dropoff in talent. Even if Ben plays, Denver will be swarming him with Demarcus Ware back + Von Miller + Wolfe and trying to reinjure that shoulder. The Broncos used the bye week off to get healthier (Ware, Ward, Stewart, Osweiler, Sanders) while Pitt went in the opposite direction. Not to mention, this will be a revenge game from their loss at Pitt - Harris Jr will want payback for getting toasted repeatedly by Brown if Brown even plays. Pitt can attack Trevathan and Talib in the middle by dinking and dunking like last game but the problem is that Denver doesn't allow yards after the catch because of their elite secondary. Denver D also stiffens at home and it would be a huge feat for Ben to pull off the win against a top 3 well rested defense. Manning and Antonio Brown are my xfactors in that Manning has to simply manage the game and not throw picks. E.Sanders should be the focal point since it's a huge mismatch of Antwon Blake covering him. Demaryious has a very slight advantage (+3) over Gay but it's so close it may as well be even. On the flipside, A. Brown will need to have something similar to a repeat performance against an even stronger and healthier Broncos D than he faced earlier in the year. I just think that Denver in a healthy state will be too much for Pitt in an injured state on the road.
This is another whichever way the wind blows, both teams have injuries and players not at 100%, whether due to age, or rust, or whatever . But, I'd like for the Chiefs to host the AFCCG in Arrowhead, claim the AFC trophy there. Although the thought of going into Mile High again and take the trophy from the Broncos is very enticing also...
 
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SEAHAWKS @ PANTHERS

I'm afraid the Seahawks have used up all the luck in the world to pull out a win against the Vikings. Next week, they have to rely on their skills.
 

TheSlamma

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CHIEFS @ PATRIOTS
PACKERS @ CARDINALS
SEAHAWKS @ PANTHERS
STEELERS @ BRONCOS

Steelers pick based on presumption that either Big Ben or Antonio Brown might not suit up. Giving slight edge to the Panthers now under assumption that JStew plays but BeastMode does not. Cardinals will romp over the Pack. Brady is still hurt with ankle sprain and ribs and has a terrible game, Edelman and Amendola will be non-factors.
I'm going with 100% of your picks and what you said below your picks. Zero changes.
 

Imported

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Rams back to LA. Chargers can join them.

@AdamSchefter
Rams to LA, with Chargers getting first crack through Jan 16, 2017, then Raiders have preference, per sources.
 

zinfamous

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Chiefs, Broncos, Hawks, Cards.

Only issue with Seattle is the RB, and not so much whether or not Lynch is available. They weren't that great with him this season as Rawls was the one going Beast Mode this season during their run.

Williams or whoever that fella is standing in last week doesn't have that kind of power to break tackles it seems. He has good feet, but he's more of a finesse type--LT without LT skills.
 

emperus

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You raised some good points, and I know it's been 25 games and a billion years ago that the two teams played against each others, but I don't think the Chiefs have as much problems covering NE's receivers as you'd think. Their defense this year is actually much better than last year's by new addition, and some additions by subtractions. Not only that, NE's O-line is in disarray, and KC can get pressure with 4 (actually, make that 3 https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CYU8PuDUAAAlMXU.mp4). Gronk will be called upon to block a lot. And the Chiefs D isn't stranger to dink-and-dunk offense .
The problem with focusing on any member of KC offense is that they spread the ball out, someone will make play, that's why they've been successful. KC's run game is arguably much better than NE's run game at this point, so we'll see a lot of ground and pound.

I don't think I've seen any team that has effectively stopped the Pats on Offense when they have been healthy this year. The question is how healthy is Edelman. He looked pretty explosive in a couple of practice clips I've seen.

I don't know what their running game is like this year. But, NE has a pretty stout front 7 esp. since Hightower should be healthy. Again, I haven't seen the Chiefs play, but I think the Pats will play the run and force Smith to beat them. I don't trust him consistently doing that. The Pats don't give up big plays esp. with McCourty back there.

As to the video you posted. I don't think I've ever seen NE's Oline beat that quickly on an inside pressure with a 3 man rush this year.


And here is some analysis from a Boston source.
Kansas City has played four games this season against teams that are in the top 15 in points scored per game (the Patriots are third) and went 2-2 in those games, while allowing an average of 27.25 points per game -- more than 10 points higher than its season average. The Patriots, meanwhile, went 7-2 against teams that are in the top 15 in points scored.

During the Chiefs' 11-game win streak, they never allowed more than 22 points in one game. The Patriots scored less than 22 points three times all season, with two of those times coming in the final two weeks of the season.
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A major reason for the Chiefs' success on defense has been forcing turnovers. They forced 29 turnovers on the year -- 22 interceptions and seven fumbles -- fifth most in the league. Furthermore, they have forced a turnover in 13 straight games, and in their 11-game win streak they have won the turnover battle 28-8.

Normally this would be considered a huge advantage, except now they are taking on the Patriots, who are among the best in the league in protecting the ball. New England turned the ball over the fewest times in the entire NFL this season: 14. This will be a huge factor in the game as the Patriots have never lost a playoff game in the Belichick era when winning the turnover battle, and this season the Patriots are 7-0.
 

SP33Demon

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I don't think I've seen any team that has effectively stopped the Pats on Offense when they have been healthy this year. The question is how healthy is Edelman. He looked pretty explosive in a couple of practice clips I've seen.

I don't know what their running game is like this year. But, NE has a pretty stout front 7 esp. since Hightower should be healthy. Again, I haven't seen the Chiefs play, but I think the Pats will play the run and force Smith to beat them. I don't trust him consistently doing that. The Pats don't give up big plays esp. with McCourty back there.

As to the video you posted. I don't think I've ever seen NE's Oline beat that quickly on an inside pressure with a 3 man rush this year.


And here is some analysis from a Boston source.
Yep, the latest on Julian:
Julian Edelman said he will go "full throttle" if he is active for Saturday's Divisional Round game against the Chiefs.
"There’s no dipping the toe here," said Edelman. "It’s diving right in." Edelman reportedly looked good in practice Monday, and all indications are he will suit up and play a full complement of snaps against Kansas City. It is a tough matchup, but Edelman will be one of the top receiver plays this weekend. Jan 12 - 9:01 AM
Source: Boston Globe

Everyone thinks KC's Marcus Peters is great, even PFF.
Peters is the most-targeted corner in the NFL this season, having been thrown at 132 times over 15 games, which is 28 more than the next corner. Truly elite players at the position do not tend to be thrown at that much, and the fact he has been suggests teams think they can beat him. Given the fact that he has surrendered 923 receiving yards and seven scores so far this season, they aren’t wrong, either. He is at least making them pay by making it a risky place to go with the football, but Peters has not been a shutdown corner this season.

The play of Sean Smith is certainly a contributing factor to Peters’ target rate, but if teams are deliberately going that way almost twice as often with the ball, just how well can Peters be playing?

The answer: Over the second half of the season, Peters has been playing like one of the best corners in the entire NFL.

It is clear that Peters’ season enjoyed a watershed at the bye week, which came for Kansas City this year after Week 8. And opponents at this point in the season seem to be working from old information. Peters is still being targeted as often as ever, but his numbers have been better in every other category. Before the bye week, Peters averaged 5.4 receptions allowed from almost nine targets per game, for an average of 72.1 yards. After the bye, he is averaging just 3.6 receptions for 49.4 yards on the same nearly nine targets per game.

We're about to find out how good he is vs the best slot WR in the league who says he will go "full throttle". Looking at the matchup chart, Edelman is rocking a stout +14 vs Peters and that's including the games he's missed (i.e. it would be higher had he played the entire season). I don't see this ending well for the rook, and this is a critical matchup because OL Cannon is going to eventually lose big against Houston, i.e. it's not a matter of if Houston will get to Brady but when. So Edelman/Amendola will have to get open in < 2 seconds to take the heat off Tom in what I'm predicting to be a quick release passing strategy and one where they'll probably pass on early (unpredictable) downs to Gronk and 3rd and shorts will always be quick releases since it's an obvious passing down. If Bill can disguise Gronk's designed plays then NE should move the ball at will and the quick passes will keep Hali/Houston at bay.
 
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glenn1

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Yep, the latest on Julian:


Everyone thinks KC's Marcus Peters is great, even PFF.


We're about to find out how good he is vs the best slot WR in the league who says he will go "full throttle". Looking at the matchup chart, Edelman is rocking a stout +14 vs Peters and that's including the games he's missed (i.e. it would be higher had he played the entire season). I don't see this ending well for the rook, and this is a critical matchup because OL Cannon is going to eventually lose big against Houston, i.e. it's not a matter of if Houston will get to Brady but when. So Edelman/Amendola will have to get open in < 2 seconds to take the heat off Tom in what I'm predicting to be a quick release passing strategy and one where they'll probably pass on early (unpredictable) downs to Gronk and 3rd and shorts will always be quick releases since it's an obvious passing down. If Bill can disguise Gronk's designed plays then NE should move the ball at will and the quick passes will keep Hali/Houston at bay.

So just to verify, you don't predict much if any negative impact to Brady due to the high ankle sprain and bruised ribs? Fine if you think so, but it's something you should recognize and account for.
 

Capt Caveman

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So just to verify, you don't predict much if any negative impact to Brady due to the high ankle sprain and bruised ribs? Fine if you think so, but it's something you should recognize and account for.

Since two days after the Miami game, Brady hasn't been seen walking/running with a limp and has fully participated in all practices. I don't think it'll be an issue at all since the local Boston news hasn't even mentioned it once this week.

Found this on ESPN that shows Brady with no limp - http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14555170
 
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I'd give the edge to Denver since they're at home and Steelers are so hurt. It can still be close though.

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emperus

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Yep, the latest on Julian:


Everyone thinks KC's Marcus Peters is great, even PFF.


We're about to find out how good he is vs the best slot WR in the league who says he will go "full throttle". Looking at the matchup chart, Edelman is rocking a stout +14 vs Peters and that's including the games he's missed (i.e. it would be higher had he played the entire season). I don't see this ending well for the rook, and this is a critical matchup because OL Cannon is going to eventually lose big against Houston, i.e. it's not a matter of if Houston will get to Brady but when. So Edelman/Amendola will have to get open in < 2 seconds to take the heat off Tom in what I'm predicting to be a quick release passing strategy and one where they'll probably pass on early (unpredictable) downs to Gronk and 3rd and shorts will always be quick releases since it's an obvious passing down. If Bill can disguise Gronk's designed plays then NE should move the ball at will and the quick passes will keep Hali/Houston at bay.

I don't think Edelman is the best slot corner in the league. I think he is the best receiver the Pats have for what they use him for. Remember last year he was a FA and the only other option he had was the Giants.

Also, I doubt Cannon will be 1 on 1 with Houston a lot. The Pats will chip, move Gronk around, etc. The Chiefs have a stout line, but Denver did, Miami did, the Jets did, etc...

That being said, the problem with NE's offense is just not the players, but the pressure the various formations puts on opposing Defenses and the fact Brady has run the same offense his whole career. It's a lot to prepare for and a lot to recall once that clock starts. That's why it's not surprising to often see Gronkowski running down the field alone.

I'm curious about someone's take on it who has seen a lot of both teams games.
 
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