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Lifer
Jun 3, 2002
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I suspect she would win should she run and we'll have more of the same ole politics in the US without any major change.

Conservatives/Republicans will be a shattered and more leftward party by Nov. 2016 if Clinton wins, so I'd say it definitely won't be more of the same. You'll see a lot more cooperation out of political necessity; i.e. survival.

She also experienced a fainting spell and not long after that she decided to step down from being Secretary of State. Are there underlying health issues? Who knows?

You're somewhat right here. She slipped and hit her head after fainting from dehydration during a stomach virus, which caused a blood clot behind her right ear. Given how common those circumstances are, she's about as likely to have health issues as any candidate based on publicly available information.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
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Voting for the Iraq war + getting a diplomat killed under her reign are faux scandals?

Are you seriously stating that it was Hillary Clinton in specific who "got" Chris Stevens and others in Benghazi killed?
 

Agent11

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Just as Obama had to find out the hard way that messing around with 2nd A rights is like tap dancing in a minefield, Hillary has witnessed that first hand and will probably skirt around the issue until AFTER (and if) she gets elected. And even then, I think it's pretty well known by now that there are a whole lot of firearm owning Dems who really don't want their legislators monkeying around with this issue and that's something that Hillary will not ignore.

That was my rationale in voting for Obama, he then proceeded to go full retard.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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She could have saved the country an awful lot of trouble if she had simply given Bill a reasonable amount of lip service.
 

SparkyJJO

Lifer
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I love how the country keeps recycling the same names over and over and expects something different. Democracy, yeah right lol. Enough with the career politicians, she would simply mean more of the same.

lol so true.
 

Fern

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Bush senior's problem was coming off as too detached from the general public when he failed at guessing the cost of a loaf of bread. Remember that one?
Bad PR, plain and simple.
Then his infamous "read my lips" slip-up, at which he should have hired a PR man immediately.
Or fired and replaced if he already had one.
Bush #1 could have recovered. And won.

My sense at that time was that he didn't have to stomach or 'fire' to really campaign for another term.

Fern
 

Theb

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Feb 28, 2006
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I seriously doubt Hillary will run due to her age and knowing the effects of campaigning could have on her health.

That makes sense, but she's wanted it for a long time and while the guy behind Ready for Hillary claims he hasn't discussed it with her I think we all know that's bullshit.

I'd be a little surprised if she doesn't run.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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My sense at that time was that he didn't have to stomach or 'fire' to really campaign for another term.

Fern

I'm pretty sure the 'no new taxes' thing hurt him, but more than anything the US had recently emerged from a recession and unemployment was still going up until shortly before the election. More than anything that's what did him in IMO.
 
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I'm pretty sure the 'no new taxes' thing hurt him, but more than anything the US had recently emerged from a recession and unemployment was still going up until shortly before the election. More than anything that's what did him in IMO.
Was that the one where Bush compromised with Democrats in order to get spending cuts...Democrats took the tax increase and then reneged on spending cuts they promised?
 

fskimospy

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Was that the one where Bush compromised with Democrats in order to get spending cuts and then Democrats took the tax increase and reneged on spending cuts they promised?

Reneged on the spending cuts they promised how? Please cite a nonpartisan source.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Just wait until Michelle runs.

She will be unstoppable and it will ruin our country
 

compuwiz1

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I'll be back to fact check the following post of mine right here:

Hillary will not run for POTUS. There are going to be too many negative publicity ads and she will have a brain hemmorhage from seeing them.
 

yllus

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Aug 20, 2000
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I'll be back to fact check the following post of mine right here:

Hillary will not run for POTUS. There are going to be too many negative publicity ads and she will have a brain hemmorhage from seeing them.

There isn't anything Republicans can run that she hasn't seen worse of already. And say goodbye to huge swaths of the female vote if Republicans are perceived as bullying or otherwise trying to intimidate Mrs. Clinton.
 

Lithium381

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Hillary isn't even that great of a choice. . . . but honestly who else is there? Just like the republicans, who do they even have? Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul are their big three. You could, on the other hand, vote for liberty and freedom, with someone like Gary Johnson . . .
 

DominionSeraph

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Voting for the Iraq war + getting a diplomat killed under her reign are faux scandals?

Benghazi is pure faux.

Voting for the Iraq war isn't a scandal. The war initially had the support of the American people. Saddam picked the wrong time to play cute with UN weapons inspectors -- the American people weren't in the mood to be laissez faire about a hostile Muslim nation's WMDs. Hillary had nothing to do with the prosecution of the war, so the ineptitude of Bush and Cheney doesn't color her.

Bush: "50 years in Iraq."
McCain: "100 years."
Obama: "How about, 'No.'"

You can't argue that, as a Democrat, she was voting for a 50 or 100 year dynasty of Republican incompetence.
 
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yllus

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Hillary isn't even that great of a choice. . . . but honestly who else is there? Just like the republicans, who do they even have? Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul are their big three. You could, on the other hand, vote for liberty and freedom, with someone like Gary Johnson . . .

Considering the stance Ron Wyden has taken on civil liberties, why aren't people urging him to run? He seems like he's the only guy in Congress trying to fight the creeping expansion of surveillance on the American people.

STATE OF DECEPTION: Why won’t the President rein in the intelligence community?

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Toward the end of the hearing, Feinstein turned to Senator Ron Wyden, of Oregon, also a Democrat, who had a final question. The two senators have been friends. Feinstein held a baby shower for Wyden and his wife, Nancy Bass, before the birth of twins, in 2007. But, since then, their increasingly divergent views on intelligence policy have strained the relationship. “This is an issue where we just have a difference of opinion,” Wyden told me. Feinstein often uses the committee to bolster the tools that spy agencies say they need to protect the country, and Wyden has been increasingly concerned about privacy rights. For almost a decade, he has been trying to force intelligence officials like Clapper to be more forthcoming about spy programs that gather information about Americans who have no connection to terrorism.

Wyden had an uneasy kind of vindication in June, three months after Clapper’s appearance, when Edward Snowden, a former contractor at the N.S.A., leaked pages and pages of classified N.S.A. documents. They showed that, for the past twelve years, the agency has been running programs that secretly collect detailed information about the phone and Internet usage of Americans.

The programs have been plagued by compliance issues, and the legal arguments justifying the surveillance regime have been kept from view. Wyden has long been aware of the programs and of the agency’s appalling compliance record, and has tried everything short of disclosing classified information to warn the public. At the March panel, he looked down at Clapper as if he were about to eat a long-delayed meal.

Wyden estimates that he gets about fifteen minutes a year to ask questions of top intelligence officials at open hearings. With the help of his intelligence staffer, John Dickas, a thirty-five-year-old from Beaverton, Oregon, whom Wyden calls “the hero of the intelligence-reform movement,” Wyden often spends weeks preparing his questions. He and Dickas look for opportunities to interrogate officials on the gaps between what they say in public and what they say in classified briefings.

At a technology conference in Nevada the previous summer, General Keith Alexander, the director of the N.S.A., had said that “the story that we have millions or hundreds of millions of dossiers on people is absolutely false.” Wyden told me recently, “It sure didn’t sound like the world I heard about in private.” For months, he tried to get a clarification from the N.S.A. about exactly what Alexander had meant. Now he had the opportunity to ask Clapper in public. As a courtesy, he had sent him the question the day before.

Wyden leaned forward and read Alexander’s comment. Then he asked, “What I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question ‘Does the N.S.A. collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?’ ”

Clapper slouched in his chair. He touched the fingertips of his right hand to his forehead and made a fist with his left hand.

“No, sir,” he said. He gave a quick shake of his head and looked down at the table.

“It does not?” Wyden asked, with exaggerated surprise.

“Not wittingly,” Clapper replied. He started scratching his forehead and looked away from Wyden. “There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly.”

Wyden told me, “The answer was obviously misleading, false.” Feinstein said, “I was startled by the answer.”

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werepossum

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Ready for.. what exactly? What has Hillary ever accomplished in her entire political career that would qualify her to run the country? Honestly? The most notable thing that happened to her as first lady was watching her husband make a mockery of their marriage. Her most notable action as a senator was voting for the Iraq War. Her most notable action as sec of state was falling asleep at the switch while 4 Americans were killed then trying to blame it on a Youtube video.

Take away her last name and she would be an absolutely nothing candidate. I'm sure all those college kids who put Obama into office and are now working at Walmart and living with their parents are going to be falling all over themselves to vote for a crusty old Wall St. crony.
That was true when she ran for Senate, but not true now. She has actually done many things. Given that our current President had done absolutely nothing of note when elected (his supposed "signature legislation" was a Republican bill expanding a previous Republican bill in a Republican state legislature) Hilary is freakin' George Washington.

And if she is elected - and she may well be - she will only accelerate Obama's fundamental transformation of America. Remember, this is the lady who thought you should be sent to federal prison if you did something as heinous as pay for your own health care with your own money.
 

Vaux

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I don't like Hillary - but all politics aside, there is no way anyone named Clinton or Bush or Obama should be in the white house again. This county needs new blood, not more of the same.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Considering the stance Ron Wyden has taken on civil liberties, why aren't people urging him to run? He seems like he's the only guy in Congress trying to fight the creeping expansion of surveillance on the American people.

STATE OF DECEPTION: Why won’t the President rein in the intelligence community?

This thread got me thinking. I will not vote for Hillary, so whoes on the list for Democratic candidates who are not her.

Ron Wyden hit the top of my list for the same reason you suggested.
 
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