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destrekor

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i never seen any cops give tickets for holding up traffic even though it's against the law. But cops love to give speeding tickets.

I rather hold up traffic than to speed and and pass with a risk of getting a ticket.

Ugh, most good drivers hate your type with a passion.

Who cares if you are going the speed limit, above the speed limit, or below the speed limit - if you are travelling in the left lane, traffic behind you is moving faster and/or displaying the intent to move faster, and the right lane is clear, it is YOUR responsibility to allow traffic to flow according to the intent of the law.

That is to say, YOU need to move to the right. If you force others to pass on your right, you are setting up other people, if not yourself, for possible vehicular damage and/or bodily harm. That is not cool. Just because cops rarely enforce this law (not all states make it an offense that can be cited and/or consider it a law), very few people pay as much attention to the possibility of traffic approaching to their right at a higher rate of speed than they are moving. Especially if multiple vehicles are changing lanes - it is something that can result in more than simply the sole speeder becoming involved in an accident.

Now, there are tricky situations. Sometimes drivers (like images above have demonstrated) can be impatient and unobservant of traffic ahead, but let's ignore that area for the moment.

If you are in the left lane, traveling at the same speed as traffic in the right lane, and there is clear room in the right lane, YOU should move to the right. Even if only temporarily, to let traffic pass you correctly on the left. Then you can return to lollygagging in the left for as long as you please, until more traffic approaches.

If you are in the left lane, traveling at the same speed as traffic in the right lane, but there is no room to move to the right lane... this is a sticky situation. If you and the other parties are going the speed limit, you feel worried about going faster than the speed limit. We'll ignore the fear of even going 4mph over the limit (I have never heard of any State Trooper, ever, citing for such a minimal "violation" - cities/townships can be pricks, but Troopers aren't that cruel. It's not impossible, so we'll move on). So, what do we do here? Hopefully the right lane ends up speeding up or slowing down - this solves the problem. If not, perhaps immediately throw on your Turn Signal, signaling intent to move over to the right, and perhaps drop speed by 2mph. We're hoping here, still, but perhaps the driver to your rear will recognize this as an attempt to move over, pussy-footing though it may be, and he'll grumble for sure at the slower speed, but it's likely he won't try to pass on the right the moment the opportunity presents itself.
Or, just accept the fact that 2-5mph over the limit (if the other drivers ARE going the limit) is not a big deal, and you'll likely pass enough to shift right at some point soon.

It is not your responsibility to police the highway, ensuring the letter of the law is followed as laid down by the government/DOT. That is the task of the Highway Patrol. Your responsibility, in this case, is to ensure YOU follow the intent of the law, which includes many shady areas of interpretation for sticky situations. In this case: ensuring traffic flows as intended, with people passing on the left, is something the Highway Patrol looks more favorably upon than holding up miles of bumper to bumper traffic because you are stubborn.

Most traffic jams are due to lapses in critical thinking while on the highway. Think about all possible impacts of your refusal to give up the left lane, even if changing your speed ever so slightly results in a near panic attack.
Don't play patrolman - do your part, let the cops worry about speeders. You simply need to worry about passing etiquette.

I speed, and I'm still in the left lane less than the right (or center) - and I'm often passed on the right, because I'd rather stick behind someone puttering along on the left than pass them in the wide open right-hand lane. Why? Pissing them off, sure, but I'm trying to get them used to the idea of passing on the left and the idea of yielding to traffic. I've given up a lot of momentum too by dipping into the right to allow someone to pass me properly on the left if it looks like they might just pass me on the right. It's a nod of courtesy - and sometimes even the fast drivers don't even understand the proper pass on the left mentality and are more likely to simply weave through traffic than wait a moment for left-lane drivers to yield the lane to them.
I don't expect most people to SEE these things in motion and understand what I'm doing, but I imagine at least one person has been awakened from their blissful ignorance and suddenly remembered what almost cleanly passed between their ears in driving school... or otherwise described as "jogging their memory.


[Honestly, I did not intend to write an essay! Ignorant drivers just irritate the fuck out of me. It's not even their speed that bothers me, I'm cool if they'd rather perfectly follow posted speed limits -- some people just don't have good reaction times -- but dammit they need to pay attention to everything around them and understand the rest of the laws and regulations. Oblivious people on the road, and those that ignore all other traffic considerations, do not belong on the road. They are often the ones that more often than not directly, or indirectly, cause accidents to occur, though not always being an active participant in the accident itself.]
 

EagleKeeper

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Where's the video?

Look at the OP.

This is a person that can not keep a story straight.
Claims he is not scared of barriers; but stated he drove in the high speed lane to stay away from barriers.
Amends his fear to include 18 wheelers; yet no mention of an 18 wheeler in the story.

Also, can not keep his word.

And you expect him to produce a video
This guy is a P&N McOwen.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Look at the OP.

This is a person that can not keep a story straight.
Claims he is not scared of barriers; but stated he drove in the high speed lane to stay away from barriers.
Amends his fear to include 18 wheelers; yet no mention of an 18 wheeler in the story.

Also, can not keep his word.

And you expect him to produce a video
This guy is a P&N McOwen.

take it easy on Sandy. He's a misguided soul. Deep down he is a nice guy..you just have to get past the douchey layers to see it.
 

SandEagle

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Aug 4, 2007
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Look at the OP.

This is a person that can not keep a story straight.
Claims he is not scared of barriers; but stated he drove in the high speed lane to stay away from barriers.
Amends his fear to include 18 wheelers; yet no mention of an 18 wheeler in the story.

Also, can not keep his word.

And you expect him to produce a video
This guy is a P&N McOwen.

thanks for the P&N reminder. haven't been there in awhile. going back now with a ton of new stuff. wink wink.
 

Tommy2000GT

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Ugh, most good drivers hate your type with a passion.

Who cares if you are going the speed limit, above the speed limit, or below the speed limit - if you are travelling in the left lane, traffic behind you is moving faster and/or displaying the intent to move faster, and the right lane is clear, it is YOUR responsibility to allow traffic to flow according to the intent of the law.

That is to say, YOU need to move to the right. If you force others to pass on your right, you are setting up other people, if not yourself, for possible vehicular damage and/or bodily harm. That is not cool. Just because cops rarely enforce this law (not all states make it an offense that can be cited and/or consider it a law), very few people pay as much attention to the possibility of traffic approaching to their right at a higher rate of speed than they are moving. Especially if multiple vehicles are changing lanes - it is something that can result in more than simply the sole speeder becoming involved in an accident.

Now, there are tricky situations. Sometimes drivers (like images above have demonstrated) can be impatient and unobservant of traffic ahead, but let's ignore that area for the moment.

If you are in the left lane, traveling at the same speed as traffic in the right lane, and there is clear room in the right lane, YOU should move to the right. Even if only temporarily, to let traffic pass you correctly on the left. Then you can return to lollygagging in the left for as long as you please, until more traffic approaches.

If you are in the left lane, traveling at the same speed as traffic in the right lane, but there is no room to move to the right lane... this is a sticky situation. If you and the other parties are going the speed limit, you feel worried about going faster than the speed limit. We'll ignore the fear of even going 4mph over the limit (I have never heard of any State Trooper, ever, citing for such a minimal "violation" - cities/townships can be pricks, but Troopers aren't that cruel. It's not impossible, so we'll move on). So, what do we do here? Hopefully the right lane ends up speeding up or slowing down - this solves the problem. If not, perhaps immediately throw on your Turn Signal, signaling intent to move over to the right, and perhaps drop speed by 2mph. We're hoping here, still, but perhaps the driver to your rear will recognize this as an attempt to move over, pussy-footing though it may be, and he'll grumble for sure at the slower speed, but it's likely he won't try to pass on the right the moment the opportunity presents itself.
Or, just accept the fact that 2-5mph over the limit (if the other drivers ARE going the limit) is not a big deal, and you'll likely pass enough to shift right at some point soon.

It is not your responsibility to police the highway, ensuring the letter of the law is followed as laid down by the government/DOT. That is the task of the Highway Patrol. Your responsibility, in this case, is to ensure YOU follow the intent of the law, which includes many shady areas of interpretation for sticky situations. In this case: ensuring traffic flows as intended, with people passing on the left, is something the Highway Patrol looks more favorably upon than holding up miles of bumper to bumper traffic because you are stubborn.

Most traffic jams are due to lapses in critical thinking while on the highway. Think about all possible impacts of your refusal to give up the left lane, even if changing your speed ever so slightly results in a near panic attack.
Don't play patrolman - do your part, let the cops worry about speeders. You simply need to worry about passing etiquette.

I speed, and I'm still in the left lane less than the right (or center) - and I'm often passed on the right, because I'd rather stick behind someone puttering along on the left than pass them in the wide open right-hand lane. Why? Pissing them off, sure, but I'm trying to get them used to the idea of passing on the left and the idea of yielding to traffic. I've given up a lot of momentum too by dipping into the right to allow someone to pass me properly on the left if it looks like they might just pass me on the right. It's a nod of courtesy - and sometimes even the fast drivers don't even understand the proper pass on the left mentality and are more likely to simply weave through traffic than wait a moment for left-lane drivers to yield the lane to them.
I don't expect most people to SEE these things in motion and understand what I'm doing, but I imagine at least one person has been awakened from their blissful ignorance and suddenly remembered what almost cleanly passed between their ears in driving school... or otherwise described as "jogging their memory.


[Honestly, I did not intend to write an essay! Ignorant drivers just irritate the fuck out of me. It's not even their speed that bothers me, I'm cool if they'd rather perfectly follow posted speed limits -- some people just don't have good reaction times -- but dammit they need to pay attention to everything around them and understand the rest of the laws and regulations. Oblivious people on the road, and those that ignore all other traffic considerations, do not belong on the road. They are often the ones that more often than not directly, or indirectly, cause accidents to occur, though not always being an active participant in the accident itself.]

yeah you mad. but i'm not going to risk getting ticket because you have anger issues.

LOL @ telling people to follow your rules
 
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Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Look at the OP.

This is a person that can not keep a story straight.
Claims he is not scared of barriers; but stated he drove in the high speed lane to stay away from barriers.
Amends his fear to include 18 wheelers; yet no mention of an 18 wheeler in the story.

Also, can not keep his word.

And you expect him to produce a video
This guy is a P&N McOwen.
I know this, which is why it's not worth commenting over until he produces it. You missed the troll about doing 60 in the left lane.
 

EagleKeeper

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I know this, which is why it's not worth commenting over until he produces it. You missed the troll about doing 60 in the left lane.

But I can add a reference to every one of his threads pointing to this one.
 

SandEagle

Lifer
Aug 4, 2007
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But I can add a reference to every one of his threads pointing to this one.

where is your proof? you attack every one of my posts and try to desecrate my good character. i know u have a problem with everyone in P&N that has anything negative to say against israel's policies against palestinians or arabs. i will see u back in pn soon my friend
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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i have video of the guy tailing me. should i plead not guilty and take this evidence to court? should i just pay the fine and say fack it? somehow i have a feeling the cop is partially to blame for this. what should i do?

You think you can plead not guilty on the grounds of peer pressure?!

Personally when someone does that to me, I just sit where I am and wait. Eventually Mr Impatient will fly past me and give me the finger, to which I wave, smile and sometimes blow a kiss.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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When someone tails me, I always slow down to the speed limit and put it in cruise. Fuck tailgaters. Especially in winter when it's slippery like after an ice storm or something. I'm not risking my life so some douche bag can get to his destination 2 minutes earlier or cause an accident and get someone killed.
 

EagleKeeper

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where is your proof? you attack every one of my posts and try to desecrate my good character. i know u have a problem with everyone in P&N that has anything negative to say against israel's policies against palestinians or arabs. i will see u back in pn soon my friend

What character

Put up the video.

Keep P&N in P&N
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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When someone tails me, I always slow down to the speed limit and put it in cruise. Fuck tailgaters. Especially in winter when it's slippery like after an ice storm or something. I'm not risking my life so some douche bag can get to his destination 2 minutes earlier or cause an accident and get someone killed.

Completely this.

It's not my problem if they are in a hurry. Don't have to be a dick about it. If someone is moving faster than I am, then sees me and hangs back at a reasonable distance. I'll pull over. If they fly up behind me then start gesturing and flashing lights, then I'll stay right where I am.
 

Spungo

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I rather hold up traffic than to speed and and pass with a risk of getting a ticket.
This is the only reason cruise control was invented. Going any random speed is easy. Going only 5 over the speed limit at all times is not easy. I know this because I set the cruise control and I end up passing everybody when there's a slight bend in the road. I'm going the speed limit. What random speed are these other people going?
 

ArchAngel777

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I know nothing about the OP and can't really comment on that side of it. However, it is extremely frustrating when are in the right lane going the speed limit and everyone is riding you. I typically go about 2-3 over to alleviate too much road rage against me.

But here is the kicker. Everyone claims they don't speed. Yet on my drive all the way from Minneapolis through Chicago and on to South Bend Indiana never did I pass any cars while going the strict speed limit. But EVERYONE passed me. It was like I was standing still.

So, I just find it extremely hypocritical when people claim they don't speed. Cops speed, senators speed, fire marshell, etc... Speeding is basically a means to make money. Since I don't like losing money, I obey the speed limit with 2-3 MPH. While there is still a risk of getting a ticket, it is extremely minimal and it is somewhat of a calculated risk on my part. It eases the tail gaters a bit and is only slight above the speed limit. It is all about risk management in this case. In construction zones I don't even go 1 MPH over. The whole double fine is... a... massive... deterant. Plus, I think they put up contructrion zones to make money, because so many times no work is being done and hasn't been done for months, yet there will be a cop clocking people...

It is also easy to say 'Don't worry about cars behind you, only the ones in front of you' but that is more BS. Getting rear ended at 60 MPH with two children in car seats is not safe for anyone. I shouldn't have to make a choice between speeding or allowing someone to ride my ass and endanger my kids lives. But whatever... I just wish there were more cops around that focused more on people switching lanes over and over in rush hour traffic trying to get a few cars ahead or people who are wreckless as hell. But, life isn't fair.

Edit** Corrected a few typs. BTW - the ticket is normally the least expensive thing. Your insurance rates will typically take a hike once they run their yearly driving report on you for a policy renewal. I have a clean driving record, but I do know this is case as I discussed this with my insurance agent (RIP) a while back.
 
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Raduque

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This is the only reason cruise control was invented. Going any random speed is easy. Going only 5 over the speed limit at all times is not easy. I know this because I set the cruise control and I end up passing everybody when there's a slight bend in the road. I'm going the speed limit. What random speed are these other people going?

A lot of people also don't use cruise control, and end up losing speed in curves or hills.
 

EagleKeeper

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I know nothing about the OP and can't really comment on that side of it. However, it is extremely frustrating when are in the right lane going the speed limit and everyone is riding you. I typically go about 3-4 over to alleviate too much road rage against me.

But here is the kicker. Everyone claims they don't speed. Yet on my drive all the way from Minneapolis through Chicago and on to South Bend Indiana never did I pass any cars while going the strict speed limit. But EVERYONE passed me. It was like I was standing still.

So, I just find it extremely hypocritical when people claim they don't speed. Cops speed, senators speed, fire marshell, etc... Speeding is basically a means to make money. Since I don't like losing money, I obey the speed limit with 2-3 MPH. While there is still a risk of getting a ticket, it is extremely minimal and it is somewhat of a calculated risk on my part. It eases the tail gaters a bit and is only slight above the speed limit. It is all about risk management in this case. In construction zones I don't even go 1 MPH over. The whole double fine is... a... massive... deterant. Plus, I think they put up contructrion zones to make money, because so many times no work is being done and hasn't been done for months.

It is also easy to say 'Don't worry about cars behind you, only the ones in front of you' but that is more BS. Getting rear ended at 60 MPH with two children in car seats is not safe for anyone. I shouldn't have to make a choice between speeding or allowing someone to ride my ass and endanger my kids lives. But whatever... I just wish there were more cops around that focused more on people switching lanes over and over in rush hour traffic trying to get a few cars ahead or people who are wreckless as hell. But, life isn't fair.

Agree: I can drive at 5-10 over the limit on any limited access without passing more than 1-2 vehicles every hour.

Problem with rear-ending; you need to be looking forward; not continually backwards.
And if you are looking backwards and detect a potential rear-end; by the time you reverse your direction of sight; refresh your situation, you are already hit.

Now if there were deceleration sensors on the back of your vehicle to alert you; then you have a chance to avoid the bump.
 

EagleKeeper

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A lot of people also don't use cruise control, and end up losing speed in curves or hills.

Ease off when going around a curve and do not accelerate in advance to compensate for the hill.

They are willing to bleed off 5-10 mph rather than create a downshift.
 

ArchAngel777

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Agree: I can drive at 5-10 over the limit on any limited access without passing more than 1-2 vehicles every hour.

Problem with rear-ending; you need to be looking forward; not continually backwards.
And if you are looking backwards and detect a potential rear-end; by the time you reverse your direction of sight; refresh your situation, you are already hit.

Now if there were deceleration sensors on the back of your vehicle to alert you; then you have a chance to avoid the bump.

Well, provided you leave enough distance in front of you (pretty easy actually, because the cars that pass me are going 10-15 faster and create distance all on their own) you can keep a decent view on both. However, you are right that I likely could not 'avoid' getting hit if someoen flat out refused to hit the brakes when behing me, I could be 'prepared' for it. Knowing that someone is riding my ass can really help me know how to apply my brakes. I definitely don't brake very hard when someone is riding me until it becomes neccessary. While, again, there is some risk, but typically I have more than enough room to make a full stop with gradual brake. It isn't a sure sign that I will avoid getting hit, but I can 'expect' it and also prepare myself for it.

Fact is, getting into a car is dangerous. We all know and take that risk, I just think we all deal with it a bit differently.
 

wirednuts

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i just did what op did. i wont lie, it was dumb but road rage got the best of me.

yesterday, im going down a 45mph road in town. 3 lanes. im in the far left.

there is a car in my blind spot, and i needed to get to the far right lane. so on goes my blinker.

and the guy in my blind spot doesnt do shit.

so i slow down a little. the guy gets right to my side and doesnt move. blinker still on.

so i slow down more, and start nudging over. of course, the next car back speeds up to close the gap so i cant get in.

FUCKING PISSED, i floored my 4.0L and blew past all of them and cut across three lanes right in front of them. eat. my. ford's. shit. you assholes.

i know it was dumb, but it was the only way at that point i was going to make the turn lane at the intersection ahead. yep, i should have just went to the next intersection and back tracked, but i had my blinker on. i just wanted to get across the middle lane. fucking assholes. god it pissed me off.
 

ArchAngel777

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i just did what op did. i wont lie, it was dumb but road rage got the best of me.

yesterday, im going down a 45mph road in town. 3 lanes. im in the far left.

there is a car in my blind spot, and i needed to get to the far right lane. so on goes my blinker.

and the guy in my blind spot doesnt do shit.

so i slow down a little. the guy gets right to my side and doesnt move. blinker still on.

so i slow down more, and start nudging over. of course, the next car back speeds up to close the gap so i cant get in.

FUCKING PISSED, i floored my 4.0L and blew past all of them and cut across three lanes right in front of them. eat. my. ford's. shit. you assholes.

i know it was dumb, but it was the only way at that point i was going to make the turn lane at the intersection ahead. yep, i should have just went to the next intersection and back tracked, but i had my blinker on. i just wanted to get across the middle lane. fucking assholes. god it pissed me off.

Since I drive in rush hour traffic a lot, I find people are far too gun shy to do lane changes. Flip your blinker on less than a second before you get into your lane. This way you obeyed the law and didn't allow someone to close the gap on you and if thy they try, then are forced to brake. Closing the gap when someone signals should be a crime. Jerks.

Anyway, I NEVER have an issue changing lanes. Of course, I plan ahead. I don't sit in the left lane and I don't dilly dally until 1/4 mile from my exit. I am in the correct lane long before my exit. I also see people changing lanes constantly and that pisses me off more than anything. So in rish hour traffic all that lane changing (whish ultimately slows down traffic and creates the rubber band affect) got him 5 cars head of me? LOL, way to go jerk. You just saved yourself 20 seconds of time while probably screwing over traffic behind us.

I am convinced that if lane changes like that were illegal, there would be less stop and go traffic it might be slow still, but it probably won't be erratic.
 
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