Real world user TRINITY reviews are in, guess what I found?

[AtenRa]

At the $600 price range you can get an i5 with a REAL graphics card instead of that 3000/4000 stuff.

For a quick example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215417

For $579,99 you get this

Toshiba Trinity A8-4500M vs Intel in your link

6GB memory dual channel vs 4GB memory single channel
640GB HDD vs 500GB HDD
2x USB3 vs 1x USB 3
Weight 5,3 lbs vs 5,74lbs
Battery up to 6 hours vs up to 4.5 hours

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834214868

The Intel will be faster but heavier, with less battery life, less storage space, less memory, less USB3 connectivity.

On the other hand you have a well implemented all around Laptop that it is lighter, have more storage space, higher battery life, better USB3 connectivity but worst performance.

As we can all see, for someone that really needs a Laptop on the road with higher battery life, lower weight and enough performance to play games at there free time, the Trinity is by far the better Laptop to buy. If you only have your laptop in the house and your only concern is price to performance ration then you get the Intel.

Not everyone will get a laptop searching to find the pest performance/price, this is not a Desktop.

 

[Vesku]

Is there an under $600 13.3 or 14 inch top igpu trinity? That's what I would be interested in.

 

[lakedude]

AtenRa

You make some good points. I never intended for my "quick example" to stand up as the best deal for anyone.

 

[beginner99]

For $579,99 you get this

Toshiba Trinity A8-4500M vs Intel in your link

6GB memory dual channel vs 4GB memory single channel
640GB HDD vs 500GB HDD
2x USB3 vs 1x USB 3
Weight 5,3 lbs vs 5,74lbs
Battery up to 6 hours vs up to 4.5 hours

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834214868

The Intel will be faster but heavier, with less battery life, less storage space, less memory, less USB3 connectivity.

On the other hand you have a well implemented all around Laptop that it is lighter, have more storage space, higher battery life, better USB3 connectivity but worst performance.

As we can all see, for someone that really needs a Laptop on the road with higher battery life, lower weight and enough performance to play games at there free time, the Trinity is by far the better Laptop to buy. If you only have your laptop in the house and your only concern is price to performance ration then you get the Intel.

Not everyone will get a laptop searching to find the pest performance/price, this is not a Desktop.

And for $20 you could easily add another 4 Gb of RAM to your intel laptop and have it running in dual-channel which I think won't happen with 6 GB (4+2) (not sure so). How many USB3 devices do you own? I have 0. And i'm sure those laptops also have some USB 2 ports.

And the screen matters a lot too...

@AMD fanboys

These cheap laptops for gaming is the only and only niche AMD has were I could recommend it to my best friend without having to feel bad afterwards. For any other usage Intel will be the better choice, desktop and laptop. The sad thing that this market probably makes up 1% max. As long as the GPU is used for games only or tasks the intel IGP can do too (Aero), it does not add much to the total value of the package even though it takes up probably more than 50% if the total die space.

 

[Vesku]

By the same reasoning, beginner99, getting the cheapest notebook with the screen size desired and slapping an SSD inside it would be the best consumer choice for those not going the premium route. Assuming only casual gaming.

Edit: But OEMs aren't producing those units either, for the most part.

 

[AtenRa]

And for $20 you could easily add another 4 Gb of RAM to your intel laptop and have it running in dual-channel which I think won't happen with 6 GB (4+2) (not sure so). How many USB3 devices do you own? I have 0. And i'm sure those laptops also have some USB 2 ports.

And the screen matters a lot too...

@AMD fanboys

These cheap laptops for gaming is the only and only niche AMD has were I could recommend it to my best friend without having to feel bad afterwards. For any other usage Intel will be the better choice, desktop and laptop. The sad thing that this market probably makes up 1% max. As long as the GPU is used for games only or tasks the intel IGP can do too (Aero), it does not add much to the total value of the package even though it takes up probably more than 50% if the total die space.

In desktop, everyone touting about Intel,s lower power consumption, in Laptops where it matters most, nobody speaks about longer battery life. Trinity gives you longer battery life with higher graphics performance at lower prices than Intel, but you people comparing only performance to price ratio in Laptops. :whiste:

Also, you can have a dual channel with 4+2 GB dimms.

 

[ShadowVVL]

I would take the a10 if it had a good ips panel.I never knew how big of a difference the display panel would make for a laptop until I played with a 2 year old mac book pro.Mac is way out of my price range and kind of a rip off IMO.But the display was way nicer then any of the newer hp, dell and acers I have played with.

 

[lakedude]

In desktop, everyone touting about Intel,s lower power consumption, in Laptops where it matters most, nobody speaks about longer battery life. Trinity gives you longer battery life with higher graphics performance at lower prices than Intel, but you people comparing only performance to price ratio in Laptops.

I'd agree that lower power is important on a laptop for those who are concerned with battery life. Personally I don't care because everywhere I'd take a laptop has either AC or DC power available. Work, home and school all have AC and vehicles have DC. If I flew more often battery life might matter.

Are you sure this Trinity is sipping less power? Might as well post some links if you got em.

 

[cantholdanymore]

You expect the people that buy at Bestbuy have any idea what a good computer is? They have nothing to compare it to. Besides most people don't have ability to admit to themselves they made a purchasing mistake even if the computer wasn't good.

So they never used a computer before:\

 

[Phynaz]

Trinity gives you longer battery life

According to AMD.

I'll bet real world Intel is better. It's called race to the finish. The Intel CPU finishes work faster, so it gets to the low power idle state faster.

 

[Phynaz]

So they never used a computer before:\

Way to miss the point.

 

[AtenRa]

According to AMD.

I'll bet real world Intel is better. It's called race to the finish. The Intel CPU finishes work faster, so it gets to the low power idle state faster.

There are multithreaded apps that Trinity is very close to a Core i5 2410M 32nm 35W TDP.

Also, i have said better battery with better graphics than Intel because you need a Core i7 45W to be close to the performance of a 35W Trinity.

Trinity gives you longer battery life with higher graphics performance at lower prices than Intel

 

[pelov]

According to AMD.

I'll bet real world Intel is better. It's called race to the finish. The Intel CPU finishes work faster, so it gets to the low power idle state faster.

Or you could read the Anandtech and Techreport reviews...

Most computing has nothing to do with X amount of work to be finished in as short at time as possible. In fact, an absolutely overwhelming amount of time is spent at idle and as such battery life is determined by how well the chip sips power in its lower P-states. You need to get this through your head: Neither AMD nor Intel care much about CPU performance anymore. It's about form factor/power consumption, GPU, and then CPU performance. You're still living in 1996.

I'm all for AMD making better chips, but the fact that they managed to pull out better battery life than Sandy and Ivy with a design based on Bulldozer, which had quite possibly the worst power consumption since Netburst, is absolutely amazing.

The one place AMD needs to work on in power consumption is during video playback. They're roughly on par with Llano (maybe slightly behind) and behind Intel's Ivy/Sandy chips in that respect.

 

[happysmiles]

Or you could read the Anandtech and Techreport reviews...

Most computing has nothing to do with X amount of work to be finished in as short at time as possible. In fact, an absolutely overwhelming amount of time is spent at idle and as such battery life is determined by how well the chip sips power in its lower P-states. You need to get this through your head: Neither AMD nor Intel care much about CPU performance anymore. It's about form factor/power consumption, GPU, and then CPU performance. You're still living in 1996.

I'm all for AMD making better chips, but the fact that they managed to pull out better battery life than Sandy and Ivy with a design based on Bulldozer, which had quite possibly the worst power consumption since Netburst, is absolutely amazing.

The one place AMD needs to work on in power consumption is during video playback. They're roughly on par with Llano (maybe slightly behind) and behind Intel's Ivy/Sandy chips in that respect.

I think that's where the guy they recently hired comes into play.

Although the biggest let-down for AMD right now is their marketing and that OEMs seem to be half hearted with releasing AMD laptops.

 

[beginner99]

There are multithreaded apps that Trinity is very close to a Core i5 2410M 32nm 35W TDP.


Also, i have said better battery with better graphics than Intel because you need a Core i7 45W to be close to the performance of a 35W Trinity.

Do you work for AMD or what? i just on't get it how one can be so missguided. A 17w ULV intel chip + dedicated mobile gpu will beat trinity easily in gaming and power consumption.
Just because or posted graphs only show intel i7 quads with dedicated gpu does not mean there are other options to have...

Trinity may be cheaper but the A10 versions usually are exactly in the range of my above mentioned combo. So it is not that clear which one to get. But as I said, cheap laptops for gaming is the only niche AMD has right now...

 

[AtenRa]

Do you work for AMD or what? i just on't get it how one can be so missguided. A 17w ULV intel chip + dedicated mobile gpu will beat trinity easily in gaming and power consumption.
Just because or posted graphs only show intel i7 quads with dedicated gpu does not mean there are other options to have...

Trinity may be cheaper but the A10 versions usually are exactly in the range of my above mentioned combo. So it is not that clear which one to get. But as I said, cheap laptops for gaming is the only niche AMD has right now...

Cheapest 17W ULV + Dedicated GPU Laptops start at $800 and above and most of them are in the $1000+ neighborhood. Clearly way above the Trinity price points.

You comparing apples to oranges, do you work for Intel or what ???

 

[pelov]

Although the biggest let-down for AMD right now is their marketing and that OEMs seem to be half hearted with releasing AMD laptops.

People will buy anything if it's sold to them the right way. Hell, Apple didn't get to be the most profitable corporation in the world by their hardware and software. It was second best for years and by a large margin. When they made their turnaround, marketing came first, the hardware and software came later.

Trinity may be cheaper but the A10 versions usually are exactly in the range of my above mentioned combo. So it is not that clear which one to get. But as I said, cheap laptops for gaming is the only niche AMD has right now...

AMD priced their A10's between the i5 and i7 Ivys, which really wasn't a bright move, imo. They should have priced them lower, but because of the SKUs they don't really have much of a choice I guess. The bigger issue is that OEMs are a bit hesitant to fully commit to AMD, not because of performance (it's more than enough for 99% of users), but because AMD hasn't been consistent with their releases and supply issues have plagued them in the past. Last year at this time many were looking to buy Llano laptops but GloFo and AMD couldn't provide enough Llano chips due to poor yields. There's also the issue of AMD dropping the ball with Bulldozer. OEMs don't like these sorts of things. Delays and supply issues are the last thing they want to hear when they're already operating on slim margins.

 

[Phynaz]

There are multithreaded apps that Trinity is very close to a Core i5 2410M 32nm 35W TDP.

x264 encoding on a laptop..sure...try it. I said real world. Not some fry your balls benchmark.

 

[LoneNinja]

x264 encoding on a laptop..sure...try it. I said real world. Not some fry your balls benchmark.

May not be a typical workload for a laptop, but I know a lot of people that own laptops and don't have a desktop, so some people will be doing encoding on a laptop.

Actually for the typical workload most laptops encounter these days, I see no reason for them to exist. If they aren't going to be pushing their processors to do things like encode, than smart phones/tablets can do almost anything a laptop does while being more portable. Personally I don't own a laptop anymore, I probably never will again, anything my phone can't do I still have a desktop for.

 

[borgonzola]

Is there an under $600 13.3 or 14 inch top igpu trinity? That's what I would be interested in.

Canuck here. Don't know if there is a comparable model in the US, but I came across this notebook the other day; it's under a sale price at the moment.

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=53e919c0fc9040e05ced7b2dd05fc534en02

The only good value good form factor Trinity notebook I've seen so far.

 

[frozentundra123456]

May not be a typical workload for a laptop, but I know a lot of people that own laptops and don't have a desktop, so some people will be doing encoding on a laptop.

Actually for the typical workload most laptops encounter these days, I see no reason for them to exist. If they aren't going to be pushing their processors to do things like encode, than smart phones/tablets can do almost anything a laptop does while being more portable. Personally I don't own a laptop anymore, I probably never will again, anything my phone can't do I still have a desktop for.

Maybe in a few generations, tablets can do everything. Right now, I have a laptop for work that runs a dedicated Mass Spectroscopy data handling program (windows based), the data is tabulated in excel, the methods and manuscripts are written in word, and Sigma Plot is used to make figures for publication. Have fun trying to do any of these on an android tablet, and that has no keyboard or mouse. Granted, these may not be typical uses, but tablets (and I have one as well) are not the answer to everything yet. And no, a desktop is not the answer. We have a limited number of licenses for the analytical software, so I need a laptop to go from one lab to another and to take home when needed.

 

[Vesku]

Good catch, great sale on it atm too. http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/...oid=2000037648

$450 with addition of bluetooth. Shame they don't have an A10 option, would consider it depending on extra cost.

Think I'll post it in hotdeals. Anyone else find 14 or 13.3 Trinity models in the $600 range?

Canuck here. Don't know if there is a comparable model in the US, but I came across this notebook the other day; it's under a sale price at the moment.

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=53e919c0fc9040e05ced7b2dd05fc534en02

The only good value good form factor Trinity notebook I've seen so far.

 

[Conscript]

...because people who buy laptops for this are less than 1% of the overall CPU\Transistor market?

1985 called. They want their MTV.

 

[Hatisherrif]

 

[georgec84]

If more people gave Trinity a chance, they'd find it suits their every day needs quite well.