reasons not go to iphone 6s

[Midwayman]

Having bought and used those $300-800 Android devices for almost 3 years, yeah it was easy to drop $1k on a 6S Plus. Happy about it too.

The difference isn't nearly as bad when you consider resale value later on.

 

[Red Storm]

Having bought and used those $300-800 Android devices for almost 3 years, yeah it was easy to drop $1k on a 6S Plus. Happy about it too.

I can understand not liking your experience with one mobile OS and preferring another, but why would you ever be happy to spend ~$1k on a phone? That doesn't make any sense.

The difference isn't nearly as bad when you consider resale value later on.

This argument doesn't really favor either side. An iPhone may generally keep a higher resale value, but it also costs more to begin with, so there's no real gain. That has been my experience, and I typically go through at least one if not multiple phone buys/resells a year.

 

[poofyhairguy]

This argument doesn't really favor either side. An iPhone may generally keep a higher resale value, but it also costs more to begin with, so there's no real gain.

Plus Android phones are either cheaper to start (Nexus 5X, Zenphone) or they can be had with a huge discount day zero (like the $200 trade in Samsung trots out every new release).

Meanwhile the iPhone never really goes on sale. Even on Black Friday when Target and Best Buy give you $100 off a new iPad you can't get a dime taken off the price of the unlocked iPhone.

 

[Midwayman]

This argument doesn't really favor either side. An iPhone may generally keep a higher resale value, but it also costs more to begin with, so there's no real gain. That has been my experience, and I typically go through at least one if not multiple phone buys/resells a year.

Right. That's sorta my point. The loss in value per year isn't as bad as just looking at the purchase price would indicate.

 

[Midwayman]

Plus Android phones are either cheaper to start (Nexus 5X, Zenphone) or they can be had with a huge discount day zero (like the $200 trade in Samsung trots out every new release).

Meanwhile the iPhone never really goes on sale. Even on Black Friday when Target and Best Buy give you $100 off a new iPad you can't get a dime taken off the price of the unlocked iPhone.

But then you're not comparing flagship to flagship. Apple also sells older models for cheaper. I got big trade-in deals for my 6s+. VZW even had apple specific trade-in deals. Granted androids tend to go on sale sooner, but if you're not finding deals that allow iphones you're not looking very hard.

 

[Artdeco]

I can understand not liking your experience with one mobile OS and preferring another, but why would you ever be happy to spend ~$1k on a phone? That doesn't make any sense.



This argument doesn't really favor either side. An iPhone may generally keep a higher resale value, but it also costs more to begin with, so there's no real gain. That has been my experience, and I typically go through at least one if not multiple phone buys/resells a year.

As do I, and you're wrong.

Android stuff has the resale price of a head of cabbage. The number one reason is that the manufacturers almost immediately start discounting new phones, it reduces the value of used phones prettying significantly.

 

[poofyhairguy]

But then you're not comparing flagship to flagship.

Sure I am. I got my wife's Note 4 for over $200 off day zero by maxing out their trade-in benefit. Every Samsung Galaxy since then has come with a day zero trade in offer.

Apple also sells older models for cheaper.

Not that much cheaper really, and I wouldn't call their selling of last year's phone "a sale." Any Android flagship can be found for half price at best a year out, like the Nexus 6 recently being sold for $300 new. It takes years for iPhone to hit that price level.

I got big trade-in deals for my 6s+. VZW even had apple specific trade-in deals. Granted androids tend to go on sale sooner, but if you're not finding deals that allow iphones you're not looking very hard.

There are trade-in deals for iPhone but they aren't nearly as aggressive as what Samsung does.

For my dad's iPhone 6 they wanted to give him $200 for his iPhone 5 that I could have sold for $100 more on Ebay at the time. For the Note 4 I traded in a Windows Phone I bought for $30 the week before for $250 worth of credit. It is free money in comparison to what Verizon and Apple are offering.

This year Samsung is outright giving people a $120 rebate for buying a flagship on a payment plan. Apple doesn't offer anything close to that level of discount:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount

 

[Artdeco]

They're offering the test drive again too.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5T3GVKJ

 

[Obsy]

Any Android flagship can be found for half price at best a year out, like the Nexus 6 recently being sold for $300 new. It takes years for iPhone to hit that price level.

You know they're just going to go "duh, another reason why iPhones have great resale value." We're arguing in circles here.

This year Samsung is outright giving people a $120 rebate for buying a flagship on a payment plan. Apple doesn't offer anything close to that level of discount:

That promo caps at $120, it doesn't start there. And there are absolutely some good deals for iPhones out there, for example up to $400 in credit towards an iPhone 6s purchase from Best Buy.

 

[Seven]

I can understand not liking your experience with one mobile OS and preferring another, but why would you ever be happy to spend ~$1k on a phone? That doesn't make any sense.



This argument doesn't really favor either side. An iPhone may generally keep a higher resale value, but it also costs more to begin with, so there's no real gain. That has been my experience, and I typically go through at least one if not multiple phone buys/resells a year.

Yeah, pretty much this. It doesn't make sense to buy a phone for the resale value. Technically the resale value won't matter unless you're going to sell it after three months or so. You'll loose money on it no matter what. It will become a disposable device.

 

[Ns1]

Technically the resale value won't matter unless you're going to sell it after three months or so.

When I sell my device after 2 years, I'm pretty sure I still care about the resale value and whether that value is $400 or $200.

 

[Artdeco]

The whole phone resale values are pretty cut and dried, eBay, swappa, etc track that stuff, and it's hard, reproducible data, what I see in the forums are conjecture and one person's experiences. If you're going to claim something, back it up with some data, not just hot air.

 

[openwheel]

Unless you care about having the fastest processor, a fingerprint reader on the front, OS updates for more than two years, pressure-sensitive touch... and something that's manufactured in large-enough quantities to be available for more than 5 minutes at a time.

You are touting iPhone's OS update while comparing Nexus devices? Wow.

You prefer updates that slows your phone over updates that increases performance?

 

[Commodus]

You are touting iPhone's OS update while comparing Nexus devices? Wow.

You prefer updates that slows your phone over updates that increases performance?

I didn't say that the performance issues don't matter at all -- just that Google cuts off updates after two years where Apple offers them for three or four. If you wanted to have as many software features and security updates as possible without having to upgrade hardware like clockwork, that's when the iPhone pulls ahead. Just ask the Nexus 4 people who will never officially get Marshmallow.

 

[openwheel]

My Nexus 7 is getting Marshmallow update, it has been over 2 years since I bought it. Therefore you, Sir, are incorrect.

Nexus 4 will not receive official Marshmalow. This phone is 3 years old. However, It will continue to receive security updates. Your wording seems to suggest otherwise. I hope other readers understand that they don't need major Android updates to receive security improvements.

By the way, my Nexus 7 has gotten faster, better, and more secure with each update. I can't say the same with wife's iPhones.

 

[Artdeco]

LOL, again, unproven BS argument.

On a device that's out of production.

I love these forums.

These are the kind of posts/arguments a 16 year old makes.

OW, please show me any data to back up what you posted, because the industry needs to get ahold of your magical nexus 7 that's just gets faster every year, LOL.

(I owned 4 of them, RMA'd over and over too.)

 

[BOOGY_DOG]

Honestly, just too deep in the Android ecosystem and I don't see any compelling reason to switch to Apple... I feel like Apple is moving from innovator to immitator, and that's not something I want to jump into.

 

[Obsy]

Yeah, pretty much this. It doesn't make sense to buy a phone for the resale value. Technically the resale value won't matter unless you're going to sell it after three months or so. You'll loose money on it no matter what. It will become a disposable device.

It matters to me. Although I haven't owned a MacBook or iPhone in a while, I can still appreciate their resale value.

The whole phone resale values are pretty cut and dried, eBay, swappa, etc track that stuff, and it's hard, reproducible data, what I see in the forums are conjecture and one person's experiences. If you're going to claim something, back it up with some data, not just hot air.

AT&T* phones on Swappa, sorted by depreciation per month
phone model | avg Swappa sale price / launch price | retained value thus far | avg depreciation per month | release date

iPhone 6+ 16GB | $493 / $750 | 65.7% | -2.64% | September 2014
iPhone 6 16GB | $420 / $650 | 64.6% | -2.72% | September 2014
Galaxy Note 4 | $328 / $720 | 45.6% | -4.54% | October 2014
Nexus 6 | $282 / $650 | 43.4% | -5.15% | November 2014
Galaxy S6 32GB | $397 / $650 | 61.1% | -6.49% | April 2015
HTC One M9 | $319 / $650 | 49.1% | -8.49% | April 2015
LG G4 | $360 / $630 | 57.1% | -10.7% | June 2015

So yeah. If you bought your AT&T Android flagship near launch and tried to sell it on Swappa later, its value will have depreciated much faster. The Nexus 6 lost its value 1.95x faster than the 16GB 6+ while the Note 4 lost it 1.72x faster (ps the 64GB 6+ loses its value quicker, but the 64GB 6 has actually retained more). The other phones, although released much later than the iPhones, already retain less of their launch price %-wise.

There are obviously other factors such as latest-gen Android phones getting price cuts and sales sooner, but some people make it seem like it's extraordinarily difficult to get the newest iPhone at less than MSRP.

*I chose AT&T because that's my carrier. Not trying to purposely fudge any data.

 

[amyklai]

I buy my phones outright, without contract.
The things that are important to me are

a) a high-res screen (the normal 6s wouldn't do for that reason)
b) a great camera (iPhone would be fine here)
c) a swappable battery (because that's what killed my N5 experience after 2 years)
d) and lots of storage, preferably swappable, so I can upgrade later if necessary

The only iPhone that would (sort of) meet my requirements is the iPhone 6s plus 128GB - but that's ridiculously expensive. The cheapest offer is around 1050€ and I still wouldn't be able to swap the battery or upgrade the storage in two or three years if necessary.

Instead, I got an LG G4 for €381, and an 128 GB micro SD card for another €60. For me, it's perfect.

 

[amyklai]

It matters to me. Although I haven't owned a MacBook or iPhone in a while, I can still appreciate their resale value.



AT&T* phones on Swappa, sorted by depreciation per month
phone model | avg Swappa sale price / launch price | retained value thus far | avg depreciation per month | release date

iPhone 6+ 16GB | $493 / $750 | 65.7% | -2.64% | September 2014
iPhone 6 16GB | $420 / $650 | 64.6% | -2.72% | September 2014
Galaxy Note 4 | $328 / $720 | 45.6% | -4.54% | October 2014
Nexus 6 | $282 / $650 | 43.4% | -5.15% | November 2014
Galaxy S6 32GB | $397 / $650 | 61.1% | -6.49% | April 2015
HTC One M9 | $319 / $650 | 49.1% | -8.49% | April 2015
LG G4 | $360 / $630 | 57.1% | -10.7% | June 2015

So yeah. If you bought your AT&T Android flagship near launch and tried to sell it on Swappa later, its value will have depreciated much faster. The Nexus 6 lost its value 1.95x faster than the 6+ while the Note 4 lost it 1.72x faster. The other phones, although released much later than the iPhones, already retain less of their launch price %-wise.

There are obviously other factors such as latest-gen Android phones getting price cuts and sales sooner, but some people make it seem like it's extraordinarily difficult to get the newest iPhone at less than MSRP.

*I chose AT&T because that's my carrier. Not trying to purposely fudge any data.

The problem is that the MSRP for Android phones often mean nothing while it's really _hard_ to get an iPhone far below MSRP.

As I said in my post above - I just bought my LG G4 *new* for €381.
If you buy that phone at MSRP of &#8364;630, of course you're going to have crazy depreciation, when other people are buying them for < &#8364;400 *new*.

And I'm pretty sure that If we compare resale values in 2 years, my absolute money loss, coming from &#8364;381 / &#8364;441 with SD card will be much less than it would've been with an iPhone 6s plus 128 for &#8364;1050.
Going by your data, the iPhone 6s lost 35% in the first year, so for a 1050&#8364; iPhone 6s plus 128 that first year loss alone would almost equal the *total price* of my LG G4.

 

[Obsy]

By the way, my Nexus 7 has gotten faster, better, and more secure with each update. I can't say the same with wife's iPhones.

I've owned a Nexus 7 and two Nexus 7 2013's. They haven't gotten faster with updates--it's quite the contrary actually.

 

[Obsy]

The problem is that the MSRP for Android phones often mean nothing while it's really _hard_ to get an iPhone far below MSRP.

As I said in my post above - I just bought my LG G4 *new* for &#8364;381.
If you buy that phone at MSRP of &#8364;630, of course you're going to have crazy depreciation, when other people are buying them for < &#8364;400 *new*.

And I'm pretty sure that If we compare resale values in 2 years, my absolute money loss, coming from &#8364;381 / &#8364;441 with SD card will be much less than it would've been with an iPhone 6s 128 for &#8364;1050.
Going by your data, the iPhone 6s lost 35% in the first year, that first year loss alone would almost be the *total price* of my LG G4.

And the problem with your post is that you're assuming iPhones can only be bought at launch MSRP. Also, not everyone needs 128 GB of storage.

 

[amyklai]

And the problem with your post is that you're assuming iPhones can only be bought at launch MSRP

Over here (Germany) they hardly ever are on sale. Those &#8364;1050 is the cheapest offer you can get over here at the moment. At the Apple store, you pay &#8364;1070. If you find a cheaper offer, please tell me about it.

Also, not everyone needs 128 GB of storage.

That's true, but you can say that about every spec point of a phone. I just go by my own needs.
And even if you step down to 64GB - you still pay &#8364;950, which is still outrageous. You could also get the 16 GB for about &#8364;840, but I consider &#8364;840 for a non-upgradeable 16GB in 2015 the most ridiculous price for any phone, ever.

As it stands, I got a phone with a total of 160 GB of storage for a total of 440&#8364;, so why should I even bother with those more restricted options at more than twice the price?

 

[Obsy]

Over here (Germany) they hardly ever are on sale. Those &#8364;1050 is the cheapest offer you can get over here at the moment. At the Apple store, you pay &#8364;1070. If you find a cheaper offer, please tell me.

I will not look for a cheaper German offer for you, but I seriously doubt that &#8364;20 off is the best deal available in your country. If it truly is then I am sorry that they're doing some hardcore regulation of iPhone prices there. It is far easier to find deals here in the United States, and pretty good ones at that.

That might be, but you can say that about every spec point of a phone. I just go by my own needs.
And even if you step down to 64GB - you still pay &#8364;950, which is still outrageous. You could also get the 16 GB for about &#8364;840, but I consider non-upgradeable 16GB in 2015 the most ridiculous price for any phone, ever.

As it stands, I got a phone with a total of 160 GB of storage for a total of 440&#8364;, so why should I even bother with those more restricted options at more than twice the price?

Yes, we all have our preferences. Your own need of 160 GB happens to be outside the norm.

 

[amyklai]

Yes, we all have our preferences. Your own need of 160 GB happens to be outside the norm.

I don't *need* 160 GB of storage. But I sure as hell can't do with 16GB. 64 GB might do, but I'm not completely sure if that's true over the whole ife time of my phone.

The only reason why I went straight to 160GB is because it was damn cheap. There's not much reason to think about "hm, should I get the 32, 64 or 128 GB SD card" when the price difference is so low and it means that I just don't have to care about storage any more.